IRC log of tsdtf on 2008-04-01

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12:16:47 [RRSAgent]

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12:17:06 [Christophe]

zakim, what conferences?

12:17:06 [Zakim]

I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM, UW_Team()8:00AM active

12:17:07 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are IA_CDFWG()8:30AM, WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM

12:17:18 [Christophe]

zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF

12:17:18 [Zakim]

ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes

12:17:29 [Christophe]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Mar/0019.html

12:17:42 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Review of test samples

12:17:51 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Naming convention and test suite ID in metadata

12:18:00 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Next steps for current repository content

12:18:10 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Review of action items

12:18:29 [Christophe]

Chairs: CarlosV, Christophe

12:18:52 [Christophe]

Meeting: TSD TF

12:30:03 [shadi]

zakim, code?

12:30:03 [Zakim]

the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi

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12:30:38 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

12:30:45 [Zakim]

+Shadi

12:32:16 [Zakim]

+??P7

12:32:38 [Christophe]

zakim, ??p7 is Christophe_Strobbe

12:32:38 [Zakim]

+Christophe_Strobbe; got it

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+Carlos_Iglesias

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-Carlos_Iglesias

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+Carlos_Iglesias

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12:38:56 [Zakim]

+Cooper

12:41:07 [shadi]

scribe: Shadi

12:41:13 [shadi]

agenda?

12:41:20 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:41:20 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Review of test samples" taken up [from Christophe]

12:41:43 [Christophe]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jan/0009.html

12:43:34 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/process

12:45:09 [shadi]

CS: as per Tim's comments, may be worth clarifying the scope of the strcuture review

12:45:34 [shadi]

...propose to swap "Metadata" and "Test Files" in the checklist section

12:45:41 [shadi]

[no disagreement]

12:45:59 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: swap "Metadata" and "Test Files" in the checklist section

12:46:08 [shadi]

action: CS swap "Metadata" and "Test Files" in the checklist section

12:47:18 [shadi]

CS: WCAG naming convention for levels changed from 1-2-3 to A-AA-AAA

12:49:38 [shadi]

SAZ: don't see this as a particular issue

12:50:23 [shadi]

MC: don't have strong preferences

12:51:02 [shadi]

CI: could be lot's of work without added benefits, i can live with 1-2-3

12:52:34 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL#naming

12:53:43 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: add a note in the naming convention about 1-2-3 to A-AA-AAA mapping, and change the HTML-view script accordingly

12:53:52 [shadi]

action: CS add a note in the naming convention about 1-2-3 to A-AA-AAA mapping, and change the HTML-view script accordingly

12:56:35 [shadi]

CS: structure review checklist doesn't tell you where to find the infomation

12:58:36 [shadi]

...for example Name & e-mail of the submitter is in the wiki, not in the metadata

12:59:45 [shadi]

CI: the guidance talks primarily about the metadata, so it is not clear that some information is in the wiki

13:06:06 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: add a brief sentence after or as part of the sub-headings to describe where the information can be found

13:06:19 [Christophe]

3 headings: Contact Information (available in Wiki); Metadata (in metadata folder); Test Files (in testfiles folder)

13:06:49 [shadi]

action: CS add a brief sentence after or as part of the sub-headings to describe where the information can be found

13:11:58 [shadi]

action: CS take a stab at rearranging the list items to better match their sections

13:16:23 [Zakim]

+Tim_Boland

13:18:43 [shadi]

agenda?

13:18:53 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 2

13:18:53 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Naming convention and test suite ID in metadata" taken up [from Christophe]

13:20:05 [Christophe]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Feb/0010.html

13:20:37 [shadi]

CS: there was a request in the past to use the WCAG IDs rather than the SC numbers in the naming convention

13:21:07 [shadi]

...also looking around to see if there are other issues with the naming convention

13:21:59 [Christophe]

Regrets: CarlosV

13:22:31 [shadi]

MC: metadata in the filenames are always tricky

13:22:55 [shadi]

...don't feel too strongly about it, but can't guarantee SC numbers will remain even after CR

13:23:16 [shadi]

...IDs are probably more stable

13:23:39 [shadi]

...not sure about the impact though

13:24:04 [shadi]

CI: whatever is not stable, is not good in the future

13:24:28 [shadi]

...my feeling is that SCs are quite stable at the moment

13:24:41 [shadi]

...even if some changes happen, probably not too much

13:25:09 [shadi]

...more in favor for leaving as is, but can live with something else

13:25:34 [shadi]

MC: content of SCs is pretty stable but the numbering should not be considered stable

13:30:39 [shadi]

SAZ: need to look at how this will impact scripts etc

13:31:07 [shadi]

...on the other hand, we may not be able to adopt the BenToWeb scripts anyway

13:31:52 [shadi]

CS: rulesets.xml doesn't autmatically show you the test suite

13:32:15 [shadi]

...we could work in the test suite ID into the new naming convention

13:33:14 [shadi]

action: CS send a proposal for a new naming convention to the list for discussion

13:34:41 [Zakim]

-Tim_Boland

13:34:42 [Zakim]

-Cooper

13:34:45 [Zakim]

-Christophe_Strobbe

13:34:49 [Zakim]

-Shadi

13:34:54 [shadi]

next meeting: 8 april

13:35:20 [Zakim]

-Carlos_Iglesias

13:35:21 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

13:35:22 [Zakim]

Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Carlos_Iglesias, Cooper, Tim_Boland

13:36:04 [shadi]

zakim, bye

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13:36:09 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, bye

13:36:31 [RRSAgent]

I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

13:36:31 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: CS swap "Metadata" and "Test Files" in the checklist section [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-tsdtf-irc#T12-46-08

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ACTION: CS add a note in the naming convention about 1-2-3 to A-AA-AAA mapping, and change the HTML-view script accordingly [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-tsdtf-irc#T12-53-52

13:36:31 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: CS add a brief sentence after or as part of the sub-headings to describe where the information can be found [3]

13:36:31 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-tsdtf-irc#T13-06-49

13:36:31 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: CS take a stab at rearranging the list items to better match their sections [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-tsdtf-irc#T13-11-58

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ACTION: CS send a proposal for a new naming convention to the list for discussion [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-tsdtf-irc#T13-33-14