14:50:51 RRSAgent has joined #hcls 14:50:51 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-hcls-irc 14:51:00 rrsagent, make logs world 14:52:27 agenda 14:52:51 ericP, do you know how to enter the agenda into IRC? 14:53:09 Zakim, help agenda 14:53:09 Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help. 14:53:11 Some of the commands I know are: 14:53:12 xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx 14:53:15 if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted 14:53:18 xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx 14:53:20 I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx 14:53:23 xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group 14:53:26 xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx 14:53:29 who's here? - lists the participants on the phone 14:53:31 who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted 14:53:34 mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#) 14:53:36 unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61# 14:53:38 is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present 14:53:41 list conferences - reports the active conferences 14:53:42 this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx 14:53:44 excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel 14:53:45 I last learned something new on $Date: 2008/04/01 16:11:08 $ 14:53:46 SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has now started 14:53:46 + +1.919.541.aaaa 14:53:47 - +1.919.541.aaaa 14:53:49 SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended 14:53:50 Attendees were +1.919.541.aaaa 14:54:13 agenda + show the world how to give zakim an agenda 14:54:20 agenda? 14:55:06 agenda+ Roll Call 14:55:28 zakim will also: take up agendum n, next agendum, close agendum 14:55:46 close agendum 1 14:56:20 agenda - 1 14:56:40 agenda+ Dicussion on Clinical Practice Ontology 14:57:10 agenda+ BRDIG/SDTM presentation by Steve Sandberg 14:57:40 agenda+ Mappings from ACGT ontology to SDTM and other standards 14:57:52 ericP has changed the topic to: HCLS COI call — http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hcls-coi/2008JanMar/0071 14:58:14 agenda+ Logistics of loading Patient Data into RDF 14:58:28 agenda+ Clinical Trials Ontology 14:58:32 show agenda 14:59:40 SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has now started 14:59:47 +Vipul_Kashyap 14:59:56 Zakim, please dial ericP-415 14:59:56 ok, ericP; the call is being made 14:59:58 +EricP 15:00:22 holger_stenzhor1 has joined #hcls 15:00:46 +Tony 15:00:47 + +1.919.541.aaaa 15:00:50 Zakim, who's here? 15:00:50 On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, EricP, Tony, +1.919.541.aaaa 15:00:54 On IRC I see holger_stenzhor1, RRSAgent, Zakim, vipul, holger_stenzhorn, ericP 15:01:00 Hey Jyoti you made it! 15:01:10 Zakim, Tony is Jytori 15:01:10 +Jytori; got it 15:01:33 Zakim, +1.919.541.aaaa is Jennifer 15:01:33 +Jennifer; got it 15:01:34 Zakim, Jyotri is Jyoti 15:01:34 sorry, vipul, I do not recognize a party named 'Jyotri' 15:01:43 eneumann has joined #hcls 15:02:46 Helen has joined #hcls 15:02:53 Zakim, who's here? 15:02:53 On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, EricP, Jytori, Jennifer 15:02:56 On IRC I see Helen, eneumann, holger_stenzhor1, RRSAgent, Zakim, vipul, ericP 15:03:06 +??P48 15:03:20 Zakim, Jytori is Jyoti 15:03:25 Zakim, ??P48 is holger_stenzhorn 15:03:26 Zakim, +??P48 is holger_stenzhor 15:03:26 +Jyoti; got it 15:03:30 +holger_stenzhorn; got it 15:03:32 sorry, ericP, I do not recognize a party named '+??P48' 15:03:38 +Rachel 15:03:38 Zakim, who's here? 15:03:46 On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, EricP, Jyoti, Jennifer, holger_stenzhorn, Rachel 15:03:50 On IRC I see Helen, eneumann, holger_stenzhor1, RRSAgent, Zakim, vipul, ericP 15:04:11 +[Agfa] 15:04:32 Zakim, [Agfa] is Helen 15:04:32 +Helen; got it 15:04:47 Zakim, Jyoti is Steve_Sandberg 15:04:47 +Steve_Sandberg; got it 15:04:56 Zakim, who's here? 15:04:56 On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, EricP, Steve_Sandberg, Jennifer, holger_stenzhorn, Rachel, Helen 15:04:58 On IRC I see Helen, eneumann, holger_stenzhor1, RRSAgent, Zakim, vipul, ericP 15:05:03 +Bo.Anderssen 15:05:28 Zakim, who's here? 15:05:28 On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, EricP, Steve_Sandberg, Jennifer, holger_stenzhorn, Rachel, Helen, Bo.Anderssen 15:05:31 On IRC I see Helen, eneumann, holger_stenzhor1, RRSAgent, Zakim, vipul, ericP 15:05:55 scribe EricP 15:05:59 scribe: ericP 15:06:09 show agenda 15:07:02 Zakim, take up agendum 4 15:07:03 agendum 4. "BRDIG/SDTM presentation by Steve Sandberg" taken up [from vipul] 15:07:52 close agendum 2 15:07:52 take up agendum 4 15:08:19 http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=BRIDG-Project-Overview.ppt 15:08:53 +Sean_Martin 15:09:38 start at http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability 15:10:17 http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=BRIDG-Project-Overview.ppt 15:12:18 steve: BAB: Bridge Advisory Board 15:12:56 ... THC: architectural branch 15:13:05 ... I'm participating in THC 15:13:18 [slide 3] 15:13:20 +Eric_Neumann 15:14:13 steve: sldie "BRIDG Content" shows the sources of BRIDG and where the terms came from 15:14:37 ... all of these apps have submitted their models to the THC 15:15:07 ... each of these models has vocabulary behind it 15:15:28 ... BRIDG standardising these vocabularies 15:15:31 [slide 4] 15:16:11 steve: modelled as UML 15:16:21 ... terms from HL7 datatypes 15:17:35 vipul: HL7 ciritisized for conflating acts with info 15:18:11 steve: we are trying to keep the consistent with the app space 15:18:25 ... e.g. we separate study from study results 15:19:06 ... there is a mapping document (spreadsheet) that maps imported models to BRIDG terms 15:19:10 [slide 5] 15:20:00 steve: defining semantics of classes and attributes, as well as terminology 15:21:08 vipul: i had heard that you would bind to SNOMED and 15:21:26 ... RxNorm (vocab for medications) 15:21:40 steve: we are binding at the CADSR level to the classes 15:22:26 [slide 6] 15:23:26 entities: blue, Roles: yellow, Participation: red 15:23:31 [slide 7] 15:24:03 steve: circle in the LR corner is where meds fit 15:24:17 [slide 8] 15:24:45 steve: e.g. labs would show up in PerformedObservations and PerformedObservationsResults 15:25:40 [slide 9] 15:26:48 [slide 10] 15:27:34 BRIDG - SDTM mapping available at: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=BRIDG+Release+1.1+Mapping+Document.xls 15:27:50 steve: column F shows the mapping to BRIDG 15:28:07 ... empty columns aren't mapped 'cause the didn't below in the BRIDG model 15:28:18 [slide 11] 15:29:04 vipul: lossless mapping possible? 15:29:19 steve: we are expecting changes on both sides to achieve that 15:29:27 ... we are not expecting it on rev 1 15:29:37 Helen: what's a lossless mapping 15:30:12 vipul: roundtripping; don't map a Person to a GraduateStudent 15:31:21 steve: HL7 doesn't relate participation to participation. BRIDG does 15:31:56 ... BRIDG has evolved a lot over the last year 15:32:11 ... expect it's somewhat more stable now 15:32:30 ... BRIDG reports through the ARCRIM committee 15:32:53 [slide 13] 15:33:15 steve: ASPIRE and CRFQ are also working on eligibility criteria 15:33:26 vipul: would like to have a prototype running 15:33:49 ... we've scoped down to labs, meds and vitals 15:34:15 ... probably too premature to present to them before we have a prototype 15:34:50 q+ 15:35:02 ... do these (ASPIRE, CRFQ) extend to pharma? 15:35:32 ... e.g. they appear to only model an academic medical institute 15:35:56 rachel: are mapping docs available? 15:36:07 vipul: posted above 15:36:53 steve: SDTM and other tabs show you the contributions to BRIDG 15:37:22 q 15:37:27 q? 15:37:35 ack eneumann 15:37:54 eneumann: BRIDG site is mostly in the language of using UML tools 15:38:10 ... are there pages for the less UML-endowed? 15:38:21 ... e.g. images 15:38:23 steve: not yet 15:39:12 vipul, scribe is off for 5 mins 15:39:34 ACTION: Create UML views of the BRIDG models: Helen 15:40:26 Open Source Tools... Omondo: http://www.eclipsedownload.com 15:41:34 Eric: Stanford's project for mapping the BRIDG model into OWL 15:42:01 Eric: Lead by Amar Das' group at Stanford 15:42:12 Eric: should be available sometime this summer. 15:42:48 Helen: if you want to translate from UML to OWL, there are fundamental differences 15:43:08 ... e.g. is UML, X is a subClassOf Y, that is different from rdfs:subClassOf 15:43:21 ... in UML they are adding more attributes to that class 15:44:15 eneumann: Standford has a axiomatic mapping of the BRIDG UML to OWL 15:44:31 ... though they keep extra info as comments and annotations 15:44:43 q? 15:45:19 steve: you can send Qs to me or Jyoti 15:45:42 vipul: over the long term, we want to map HL7/RIM to OWL and BRIDG to OWL 15:45:56 ... for now, we'd like to work on the demo 15:45:59 Eric N, is there is a pointer you can share about the "UML-.OWL" mapping in stanford? 15:46:07 display agenda 15:46:30 ericP: do we have contacts for ASPIRE and CRFQ? 15:47:05 rachel: i know some ASPIRE folks 15:47:20 eneumann: i met charlie mead only twice 15:47:30 vipul: we can contact these folks when we're ready 15:47:59 show agenda 15:48:14 rachel: anything that Charlie Mead does will come into BRIDG 15:48:21 close agendum 4 15:49:40 Zakim, take up agendum 7 15:49:40 agendum 7. "Clinical Trials Ontology" taken up [from vipul] 15:49:46 -Steve_Sandberg 15:50:11 vipul: we'll have a small meeting with holger, rachel, jennifer, and anyone else interested 15:50:14 Zakim, take up agendum 5 15:50:14 agendum 5. "Mappings from ACGT ontology to SDTM and other standards" taken up [from vipul] 15:50:43 vipul: how well does ACGT model SDTM? 15:51:06 holger_stenzhor: we have a student doing the work, but he's not a med professional 15:51:13 ... current mappings are paper-only 15:51:24 ... he developed his own mapping format in XML 15:51:37 ... pointed me at a mapping engine being worked on in madrid 15:51:55 ... i don't have any real feedback from them 15:52:24 ... that's all i know now 15:52:37 vipul: will the greek group be willing to share? 15:52:49 holger_stenzhor: i expect so 15:53:01 ... the mappings seem pretty straigh-forward 15:53:11 q? 15:53:18 vipul: could they share a spreadsheet with us? 15:53:44 http://wiki.healthgrid.org/index.php/ACGT:TOP_CRF_database/Pretreatment_histopathological_tumour_type 15:55:14 holger_stenzhor1: i can ask those guys if they can give us a small introduction 15:56:11 display agenda 15:56:19 show agenda 15:57:01 -Sean_Martin 15:57:03 -Eric_Neumann 15:57:04 -Bo.Anderssen 15:57:05 -Jennifer 15:57:05 -Rachel 15:57:07 -Helen 15:57:56 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 15:57:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-hcls-minutes.html ericP 15:58:04 RRSAgent, please make log world-visible 16:00:17 -holger_stenzhorn 16:00:25 -Vipul_Kashyap 16:00:39 -EricP 16:00:40 SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended 16:00:41 Attendees were Vipul_Kashyap, EricP, Jennifer, holger_stenzhorn, Rachel, Helen, Steve_Sandberg, Bo.Anderssen, Sean_Martin, Eric_Neumann 16:03:18 holger_stenzhorn has joined #hcls 16:09:07 vipul has left #hcls