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14:55:47 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
14:55:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see MWI_BPWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:48 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:55:48 <trackbot-ng> Date: 27 March 2008
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14:58:35 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.585.278.aaaa
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15:00:04 <francois> zakim, code?
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15:00:05 <Zakim> +francois
15:00:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), francois
15:00:34 <Zakim> + +1.585.278.aabb
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15:01:06 <dom> zakim, list attendees
15:01:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sean_Owen, +0207881aaaa, francois, +1.585.278.aabb, +1.339.525.aacc
15:01:09 <jeffs> Zakim: , mute me please
15:01:10 <dom> zakim, aacc is me
15:01:10 <Zakim> +dom; got it
15:01:18 <cgi-irc> zakim, aaaa is me
15:01:18 <Zakim> +cgi-irc; got it
15:01:23 <jeffs> Zakim, mute me please
15:01:23 <Zakim> sorry, jeffs, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:01:29 <Zakim> +Phil_Archer
15:01:45 <PhilA> zakim, mute me
15:01:45 <Zakim> Phil_Archer should now be muted
15:01:56 <jeffs> zakim, 1.585.278.aabb is me
15:01:58 <Zakim> sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named '1.585.278.aabb'
15:02:03 <dom> zakim, aabb is jeffs
15:02:03 <Zakim> +jeffs; got it
15:02:30 <francois> Regrets: MartinJ, Jo, Murari, rob, AlanTai, Magnus, SeanP, Jason, AlanC, chaals, nacho, Kai, kemp
15:02:34 <dom> zakim, mute jeffs
15:02:34 <Zakim> jeffs should now be muted
15:02:56 <Zakim> +Bryan_Sullivan
15:03:16 <dom> zakim, list attendees
15:03:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sean_Owen, +0207881aaaa, francois, +1.585.278.aabb, +1.339.525.aacc, dom, cgi-irc, Phil_Archer, jeffs, Bryan_Sullivan
15:03:22 <dom> zakim, who's on the call?
15:03:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sean_Owen, cgi-irc, francois, jeffs (muted), dom, Phil_Archer (muted), Bryan_Sullivan
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15:05:43 <dom> zakim, aadd is Heiko
15:05:43 <Zakim> +Heiko; got it
15:05:57 <hgerlach> Hi
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15:06:48 <miguel> Zakim, [CTIC] is me
15:06:48 <Zakim> +miguel; got it
15:07:05 <miguel> Zakim, abel is with me
15:07:05 <Zakim> +abel; got it
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15:07:06 <Zakim> +drooks; got it
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15:07:21 <Zakim> +adam; got it
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15:07:25 <Zakim> +manrique; got it
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15:07:54 <DKA> Apologies!
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15:09:09 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Mar/0078.html
15:09:34 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
15:09:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sean_Owen, adam, francois, jeffs (muted), dom, Phil_Archer (muted), Bryan_Sullivan, Heiko, miguel, drooks, DKA, Ed_Mitukiewicz, +1.781.267.aaff
15:09:36 <dom> zakim, aaff is probably Shahriar
15:09:37 <Zakim> miguel has miguel, abel, manrique
15:09:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see skarim, edm, DKA, manrique, drooks, miguel, hgerlach, PhilA, cgi-irc, abel, srowen, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, JonathanJ, Bryan, matt, francois, trackbot-ng, dom
15:09:44 <Zakim> +Shahriar?; got it
15:09:55 <dom> ScribeNick: srowen
15:10:03 <PhilA> zakim, unmute me
15:10:03 <Zakim> Phil_Archer should no longer be muted
15:10:13 <matt> Present- Matt
15:10:32 <dom> Topic: mobileOK Pro
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15:10:38 <srowen> DKA: Phil, updates on pro?
15:10:56 <srowen> PhilA: had a meeting yesterday. Working through tests, looking at past work, and preparing to write more
15:11:10 <srowen> are the changes that we've already made addressing the issues of wanting to make the tests more repeatable?
15:11:19 <Zakim> +??P27
15:11:20 <srowen> we've made them as repeatable as possible
15:11:32 <srowen> the posted version on the site is up to date
15:11:43 <JonathanJ> zakim, +??P27 is me
15:11:43 <Zakim> sorry, JonathanJ, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27'
15:11:45 <srowen> latest version was attached to a recent mail from Kai on the list
15:11:59 <srowen> we wonder whether we're heading down the right track -- are the tests repeatable enough?
15:12:07 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-pro/2008Mar/att-0017/ED-mobileOK-pro20-tests-20080319.html mobileOK Pro latest draft
15:12:15 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-pro/2008Mar/0017.html Kai's announcement
15:12:28 <francois> zakim, ??P27 is JonathanJ
15:12:28 <Zakim> +JonathanJ; got it
15:12:39 <PhilA> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-pro/2008Mar/0017.html
15:12:55 <srowen> we think the first dozen tests are repeatable, solid
15:13:00 <srowen> that's the kind of approach we're taking
15:13:08 <srowen> we will use these as a template for more tests
15:13:34 <srowen> DKA: people took actions to write more tests yesterday
15:13:39 <srowen> PhilA: Dan has the first twenty...
15:13:50 <srowen> we're trying to listen to comments while making rapid progress
15:13:55 <srowen> DKA: comments, anyone?
15:14:07 <srowen> (none heard)
15:14:39 <srowen> we can look forward to a future draft where more tests are fleshed out
15:14:45 <srowen> if we can get lazy people like myself to complete their ACTIONs
15:14:49 <PhilA> zakim, mute me
15:14:49 <Zakim> Phil_Archer should now be muted
15:14:55 <srowen> next topic is content transformation. Francois?
15:14:57 <dom> Topic: Content Tranformation guidelines
15:15:01 <JonathanJ> zakim, mute me
15:15:01 <Zakim> JonathanJ should now be muted
15:15:20 <srowen> francois: was going to say we need to delay another week, but after another look, there is little left to address
15:15:35 <srowen> there will be points to address in the future
15:15:51 <srowen> the 2-3 remaining issues concern altering header values,
15:15:57 <srowen> we're having trouble finding a clean solution
15:16:05 <srowen> so maybe we can agree on a 'dirty' one
15:16:13 <srowen> for example, when the proxy changes the User-Agent header
15:16:20 <srowen> DKA: what are the 'dirty' options?
15:16:34 <srowen> francois: clean solution would have been to embed original headers using some multipart format
15:16:43 <srowen> but that isn't transparent for content providers
15:16:58 <srowen> the dirty solutions are to create an "X-" HTTP header and use it for this purpose,
15:17:18 <srowen> or use the ?? HTTP header (what was this?)
15:17:26 <srowen> final option is to not embed anything
15:17:45 <srowen> send modified HTTP request if needed
15:17:55 <srowen> need to agree on one of the the three options
15:18:02 <srowen> DKA: what's the plan to pick an option?
15:18:13 <srowen> francois: we'll agree on the next task force call on Tuesday
15:18:32 <srowen> there are minor issues -- changing wording ins ome parts of the doc
15:18:41 <srowen> it won't change the doc meaning, just make it more readable
15:18:47 <srowen> DKA: editorial changes, yes
15:19:15 <srowen> will we be in a position to implement changes by Wednesday, for review on Wednesday, and resolve to move to working draft next Thursday?
15:19:31 <srowen> francois: will check with Jo to see if he is available on Wednesday
15:19:37 <srowen> I hope so
15:20:06 <srowen> DKA: shall we forget this and bless the 'manifesto'?
15:20:26 <srowen> francois: saw some discussion on the lists, and I wrote a post on the MWI blog
15:20:34 <srowen> maybe we can move to BPWG blog
15:20:40 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/blog/MWITeam/2008/03/25/content_transformation_guidelines fd's post
15:20:56 <Bryan> fyi I will be switching to mobile so I can drive kids to school
15:21:01 <Zakim> -Bryan_Sullivan
15:21:09 <srowen> it just notes that the CT taskforce exists and explains its work
15:21:22 <srowen> maybe would be more visible on the BPWG blog
15:21:43 <srowen> DKA: don't think we need a public reply or anything; good to have this post on the BPWG blog
15:21:48 <srowen> let's post along with the first working draft
15:22:07 <DKA> q?
15:22:17 <srowen> francois: yeah, but if the draft is delayed we lose time; it would be nice to wait, if less than 2 more weeks
15:22:19 <Zakim> +Bryan_Sullivan
15:22:35 <srowen> DKA: group resolution? don't think it's needed unless there is an objection
15:22:43 <srowen> francois: will proceed if there are no objections
15:22:44 <srowen> (none heard)
15:23:10 <srowen> DKA: you have thoughts on what if anything could be used from the manifesto document?
15:23:21 <srowen> francois: yes, the ideas are already present in the draft for the most part
15:24:00 <srowen> "never change the User-Agent header" -- I wish we could say such things but it's not possible, so we can't use ideas like that
15:24:08 <srowen> many ideas make sense
15:24:22 <srowen> many ideas are heuristics for proxy to figure out whether it needs to transform page or not
15:24:45 <srowen> but hard to write rules like "must not transform" because few easy cases truly exist
15:25:11 <srowen> for example, not converting XHTML pages ever is not a practical idea
15:26:07 <srowen> won't review this next Tuesday, as we have other issues, but can take these issues up after that
15:26:14 <srowen> DKA: next topic is BP2
15:26:29 <srowen> Bryan: I sent an update and emailed about it, including input from Jeff
15:26:35 <srowen> also text about classification of devices
15:26:37 <srowen> those are the only changes
15:26:40 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20080327 new draft of BP2 from bryan
15:27:09 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2005%2FMWI%2FBPWG%2FGroup%2FDrafts%2FBestPractices-2.0%2FED-mobile-bp2-20080320&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2005%2FMWI%2FBPWG%2FGroup%2FDrafts%2FBestPractices-2.0%2FED-mobile-bp2-20080327 Diff since previous version
15:27:34 <srowen> DKA: lots of items in the ACTION queue that may relate to further input
15:27:45 <srowen> Bryan are there particular things we should pay attention to in the new draft?
15:28:07 <srowen> Bryan: two sections from Jeff -- group should review and provide comments
15:28:23 <srowen> I've seen an exchange on the list but not sure how it changes the text
15:28:39 <srowen> this addresses script "tuning", matching to capabilities, and the same for CSS
15:29:03 <srowen> the other input is on classification of devices. I pulled text from our developer site with examples of device classification
15:29:18 <srowen> if this looks good, great, otherwise input is requested
15:29:22 <DKA> q?
15:29:28 <srowen> DKA: any comments from the group?
15:29:35 <srowen> anyone want an action to review this?
15:30:03 <srowen> We'll have to approach this in a more structured way
15:30:14 <srowen> Bryan: we have good material in there -- how long to wait until we go to a public draft?
15:30:25 <srowen> DKA: Dom, francois, thoughts?
15:30:26 <dom> ack me
15:30:49 <srowen> dom: yes I think we should move to a public draft, as it will trigger review
15:31:06 <srowen> maybe 1 more week of review, and with no objection, resolve next week to publish as a public draft
15:31:17 <srowen> DKA: sounds good
15:31:19 <srowen> srowen: +1
15:31:39 <srowen> Bryan: two weeks would be fine too
15:31:54 <dom> Bryan, I think the mention of "mobileOK" in http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20080327#conformance should be removed
15:32:05 <srowen> even if the doc is incomplete, with working notes, it's better to get it into the public view
15:32:10 <dom> (agreed)
15:32:49 <srowen> DKA: next topic is the proposal regarding the Korean task force
15:33:00 <srowen> this came from the Seoul F2F meeting
15:33:11 <srowen> clear that it may be a good idea to set up a separate task force
15:33:20 <dom> Topic: Korean TF
15:33:44 <srowen> This TF will facilitate more communication input from Korea on BPs, from Mobile Web 2.0 forum
15:33:53 <srowen> translating language and requirements for Korean market
15:34:22 <dom> -> http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddkw3489_7gvbm98fv Korean TF charter proposal
15:34:35 <srowen> I will take the liberty of walking people through the doc, Jonathan
15:35:49 <JonathanJ> Proposal document : http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddkw3489_7gvbm98fv
15:36:09 <srowen> TF leaders are Seungyun, Jonathan is a member
15:36:16 <srowen> also Soonho Lee
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15:36:48 <srowen> Jonathan maybe you can answer on IRC -- is the proposal that one or both task force leaders would represent the task force in the main working group calls?
15:37:04 <JonathanJ> Yes
15:37:31 <srowen> I think this is a good proposal and I support it
15:37:40 <srowen> I characterize this as an experiment
15:37:49 <srowen> maybe useful to set up additional task forces in local markets
15:37:50 <Zakim> +??P12
15:38:01 <achuter> zakim, ??P12 is me
15:38:01 <Zakim> +achuter; got it
15:38:19 <srowen> particularly supportive of this because of W3C Korea's and MW 2.0 forum's support
15:38:23 <srowen> want to continue this relationship
15:38:28 <srowen> make it more productive
15:38:30 <srowen> other comments?
15:38:30 <DKA> q?
15:38:45 <srowen> I propose we resolve to accept this charter
15:39:03 <JonathanJ> +1
15:39:07 <jeffs> +1
15:39:15 <francois> +1
15:39:18 <DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We accept the proposed task force charter document for a Korean task force and work with all speed to set up the task force as part of the BP group.
15:39:30 <DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We approve the proposed task force charter document for a Korean task force and work with all speed to set up the task force as part of the BP group.
15:39:56 <DKA> RESOLUTION: We approve the proposed task force charter document for a Korean task force and work with all speed to set up the task force as part of the BP group.
15:40:47 <srowen> We'll be in touch about setting up mailing lists and other infrastructure
15:41:07 <srowen> DKA: next topic, mobility and accessibility
15:41:09 <dom> Topic: Accessibility document
15:41:19 <srowen> comments from Sean Henry from WAI outreach -- can you summarize?
15:41:47 <srowen> achuter: I took an action to reorganize the document after our conversation
15:42:15 <srowen> I just sent a message to both groups, a mockup to illustrate how the information has moved around
15:42:18 <srowen> there is some feedback so far
15:42:45 <srowen> some have suggested it is too complicated and a simple version is needed
15:42:56 <srowen> things are moving ahead, slowly
15:43:17 <srowen> DKA: can we take decisions today that would help move that along?
15:43:27 <achuter> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/restructure/Overview.html
15:43:29 <srowen> achuter: no, just have a look at the reorganized document and see if it makes sense
15:44:03 <achuter> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/restructure/mwbp-wcag20.html
15:44:31 <srowen> this document is for someone familiar with BP, and is now moving to WCAG
15:44:53 <srowen> for each WCAG criteria, this specifies how it relates to mobile, and enumerates success criteria
15:45:12 <srowen> further on, a section on BPs, which describes how BPs help meet WCAG success criteria
15:45:58 <srowen> DKA: who can take an action to review?
15:46:21 <jeffs> zakim, unmute me
15:46:21 <Zakim> jeffs should no longer be muted
15:47:05 <jeffs> zakim, mute me
15:47:05 <Zakim> jeffs should now be muted
15:47:07 <DKA> q?
15:47:39 <srowen> DKA: let's create an ISSUE around this
15:48:40 <srowen> next item is actions and issues review
15:49:04 <dom> Topic: action items and issue review
15:49:25 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open Open action items
15:49:41 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/14 Actions on BP2
15:49:46 <srowen> let's start with MWBP 2 actions
15:49:53 <dom> ACTION-618?
15:49:53 <srowen> ACTION-618 on Ed
15:49:53 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-618 -- Edward Mitukiewicz to review Scope of BP1 to see what it tells us about scope of BP2 -- due 2008-01-17 -- OPEN
15:49:53 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/618
15:50:12 <srowen> edm: guilty as charged, I don't have time lately...
15:51:02 <srowen> DKA: let's strike this?
15:51:43 <dom> close ACTION-618
15:51:43 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-618 Review Scope of BP1 to see what it tells us about scope of BP2 closed
15:52:04 <dom> ACTION-665?
15:52:04 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-665 -- Alan Chuter to talk to Jeffs about what support they can provide on examples -- due 2008-02-28 -- OPEN
15:52:04 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/665
15:52:38 <srowen> DKA: should be against accessibility doc, right?
15:52:46 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-bpwg-minutes.html#action06 context for the action
15:54:09 <dom> ACTION-691?
15:54:09 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-691 -- Daniel Appelquist to raise issue and start discussion on main page, external resources and so on -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN
15:54:09 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/691
15:54:33 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-bpwg-minutes.html#action04 context for ACTOIN-691
15:54:50 <srowen> DKA: haven't done this yet
15:55:41 <Zakim> -Shahriar?
15:55:42 <dom> ACTION-692?
15:55:42 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-692 -- Sunghan Kim to provide some example BP statements based on the presentation he gave at Korea F2F -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN
15:55:42 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/692
15:56:06 <dom> ACTION-693
15:56:08 <dom> ACTION-693?
15:56:08 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-693 -- Daniel Appelquist to raise issue with Dave Raggett in UWA and see if they will take forward from where we leave off -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN
15:56:08 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/693
15:56:10 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-bpwg-minutes.html#action08 context for ACTION-693
15:56:16 <dom> ACTION-694?
15:56:16 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-694 -- Daniel Appelquist to review apple document and summarise the parts that might be applicable to BP2 -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN
15:56:16 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/694
15:56:19 <srowen> DKA: haven't done it
15:56:30 <dom> ACTION-695?
15:56:30 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-695 -- Jonathan Jeon to extract BP statements from K MWBP 1.5 document for consideration in BP 2.0 -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN
15:56:30 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/695
15:57:24 <srowen> DKA: if there are contributions to BP 2, now would be a good time
15:57:26 <srowen> thank you
15:57:29 <dom> ACTION-697?
15:57:29 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-697 -- Daniel Appelquist to summarize the points he can glean from examination of the frost library -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN
15:57:29 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/697
15:58:05 <dom> ACTION-699?
15:58:05 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-699 -- Bryan Sullivan to insert an Appendix listing the Device properties that BP2 is dependent upon -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN
15:58:05 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/699
15:58:45 <srowen> Bryan: appendix has been added, but there are no details yet
15:59:24 <dom> close ACTION-699
15:59:24 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-699 Insert an Appendix listing the Device properties that BP2 is dependent upon closed
15:59:30 <dom> ACTION-700?
15:59:30 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-700 -- Bryan Sullivan to introduce a BP on classification of devices into High, Mid, Low etc on a per application basis - with an extended non-normative example, pethaps -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN
15:59:30 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/700
15:59:34 <dom> close ACTION-700
15:59:34 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-700 Introduce a BP on classification of devices into High, Mid, Low etc on a per application basis - with an extended non-normative example, pethaps closed
15:59:51 <dom> ACTION-712?
15:59:51 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-712 -- Yeliz Yesilada to review ARIA to see what could be relevant to BP2 -- due 2008-03-20 -- OPEN
15:59:51 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/712
16:00:21 <dom> ack me
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16:01:07 <dom> ACTION-704?
16:01:07 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-704 -- Kai Scheppe to ensure that mobileOK Pro Tests doc is put on BPWG agenda -- due 2008-03-12 -- OPEN
16:01:07 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/704
16:01:14 <dom> close ACTION-704
16:01:14 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-704 Ensure that mobileOK Pro Tests doc is put on BPWG agenda closed
16:02:04 <dom> ACTION-712?
16:02:04 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-712 -- Yeliz Yesilada to review ARIA to see what could be relevant to BP2 -- due 2008-03-20 -- OPEN
16:02:04 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/712
16:02:39 <dom> ACTION-713?
16:02:39 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-713 -- Sean Owen to review the AJAX contribution or ask Adam to do so -- due 2008-03-20 -- OPEN
16:02:39 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/713
16:02:45 <dom> close ACTION-713
16:02:45 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-713 Review the AJAX contribution or ask Adam to do so closed
16:02:46 <srowen> srowen: done
16:03:19 <Zakim> -Heiko
16:03:21 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Mar/0040.html Sean's review of AJAX resources
16:03:43 <srowen> srowen: Bryan has digested it and incorporated what seems useful
16:04:45 <srowen> DKA: any checker updates?
16:05:22 <srowen> srowen: no, keep fixing bugs -- report some more issues for us
16:05:32 <srowen> DKA: how about the issue on communicating with Korea?
16:05:41 <jeffs> zakim, unmute me
16:05:41 <Zakim> jeffs should no longer be muted
16:05:47 <dom> ACTION-719?
16:05:47 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-719 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to take a look at the ref in 5.9.4 and summarize it -- due 2008-03-27 -- OPEN
16:05:47 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/719
16:05:51 <srowen> srowen: not sure, but nothing specific: everyone should be reviewing now, not later. It will be too late in a few weeks
16:06:21 <srowen> jeffs: will send some more code by emai (?)
16:06:33 <srowen> 5.9.4 and 5.9.5 in latest draft
16:06:43 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/E8CEEC5E-75D2-4E71-8958-DA3C1BA43278%2540it.rit.edu Jeff's contribution
16:06:51 <jeffs> will send better-formatted-for-html versions today for posting
16:06:52 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/04106E8E-0CEE-4CA9-9472-B377DD46B892%2540it.rit.edu Jeff's contribution on ACTION-719
16:06:57 <jeffs> zakim, mute me
16:06:57 <Zakim> jeffs should now be muted
16:07:19 <srowen> DKA: no more actions to review today, any others?
16:07:32 <srowen> let's switch to ISSUEs
16:07:33 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open open issues
16:08:02 <dom> ISSUE-237?
16:08:02 <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-237 -- What is the definition of a "Mobile Web Application" for the purposes of BP2? -- OPEN
16:08:02 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/237
16:08:27 <dom> [29 messages exchanged on ISSUE-237]
16:08:52 <DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close issue-237
16:09:28 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20080327#scope Scope of BP2 describes mobile web applications
16:10:15 <dom> q+
16:10:24 <dom> ack me
16:10:48 <DKA> ack d
16:11:11 <srowen> DKA: how about mobileOK Basic tests issues?
16:11:20 <srowen> srowen: Think they are errata for 1.1 -- can leave on the shelf
16:11:27 <srowen> dom: not sure, may need 1.0 discussion
16:11:57 <dom> [typically, I don't think we can leave mobileOK Basic with ISSUE-230 not resolved]
16:12:29 <dom> ISSUE-229?
16:12:29 <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-229 -- Scope of mobile web applications best practices -- OPEN
16:12:29 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/229
16:12:40 <dom> +1 to closing ISSUE-229
16:12:52 <DKA> RESOLUTION: CLOSE issue-237
16:12:56 <DKA> RESOLUTION: CLOSE issue-229
16:13:38 <srowen> DKA: ISSUE-226 -- resolved by chartering of Korea TF, so close this
16:13:41 <DKA> RESOLUTION: CLOSE issue-226
16:13:45 <dom> ISSUE-226?
16:13:45 <trackbot-ng> ISSUE-226 -- Recommendations on how to improve relevance of BPs to Korean market -- OPEN
16:13:45 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/226
16:14:39 <srowen> DKA: checker issues?
16:14:44 <srowen> srowen: no, don't need group discussion
16:14:49 <srowen> DKA: CT issues?
16:15:03 <srowen> francois: "Jo's CT Shopping List" is the important issue but Jo's not here, not on the agenda
16:15:14 <dom> [I think ISSUE-210 should be moved to the checker bugzilla]
16:15:52 <srowen> (srowen: OK with that --- this is an enhancement request and not really an issue, yes)
16:16:00 <srowen> (also happy to close ISSUE-214 with 'no')
16:16:09 <DKA> RESOLUTION: CLOSE issue-210
16:16:32 <srowen> dom: I'll move it into bugzilla now
16:16:43 <srowen> DKA: any other business?
16:16:45 <srowen> (none heard)
16:16:59 <Zakim> -Sean_Owen
16:17:01 <Zakim> -dom
16:17:02 <Zakim> -drooks
16:17:02 <Zakim> -francois
16:17:03 <Zakim> -adam
16:17:03 <Zakim> -Ed_Mitukiewicz
16:17:05 <Zakim> -jeffs
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16:17:07 <Zakim> -miguel
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16:17:09 <Zakim> -DKA
16:17:10 <Zakim> -achuter
16:17:11 <JonathanJ> bye
16:17:32 <Zakim> -JonathanJ
16:17:33 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()11:00AM has ended
16:17:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Sean_Owen, +0207881aaaa, francois, +1.585.278.aabb, +1.339.525.aacc, dom, Phil_Archer, jeffs, Bryan_Sullivan, +049211aadd, Heiko, miguel, abel, drooks, adam,
16:17:36 <Zakim> ... manrique, Ed_Mitukiewicz, DKA, +1.781.267.aaff, Shahriar?, JonathanJ, achuter
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16:19:10 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:19:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/27-bpwg-minutes.html dom
16:19:17 <dom> zakim, bye
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