IRC log of er on 2008-03-26

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13:27:54 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
13:27:54 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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chair: Shadi
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regrets: CarlosV
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Mar/0032.html
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agenda Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters
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agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters
13:32:24 [carlosI]
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13:32:39 [Zakim]
WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has now started
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+Carlos_Iglesias
13:33:02 [shadi]
zakim, code?
13:33:02 [Zakim]
the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
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+??P5
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-??P5
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+??P5
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+[IBM]
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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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13:35:15 [shadi]
zakim, ??p5 is really shadi
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+shadi; got it
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-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:36:10 [JohannesK]
Zakim, Klaus is really Johannes
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+Johannes; got it
13:37:46 [shadi]
scribe: carlosi
13:38:04 [shadi]
zakim, ibm is really michael
13:38:04 [Zakim]
+michael; got it
13:38:51 [carlosI]
SAZ: new (not yet official) member of the group: Michael from IBM
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agenda+ Introducing Michael Squillace
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters" taken up [from shadi]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
13:39:08 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Introducing Michael Squillace" taken up [from shadi]
13:40:58 [carlosI]
SAZ: Michael's experience on tools will be useful for the group
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presentation round
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http://www.eclipse.org/actf/
13:48:16 [carlosI]
SAZ: have several tool producers at the group
13:48:40 [carlosI]
SAZ: interesting for the group objective
13:49:54 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters" taken up [from shadi]
13:50:21 [carlosI]
SAZ: just one agenda item, lots of pending action items
13:51:04 [JohannesK]
1.4.8 Visual Presentation
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For the visual presentation of blocks of text, a mechanism is available to achieve the following:
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width is no more than 80 characters or glyphs (40 if CJK)
13:51:48 [carlosI]
SAZ: requirement of 80 characters width at WCAG2 1.4.8
13:54:18 [carlosI]
SAZ: try to avoid a minimun width of the block of text in a way that the text will not reflow
13:54:46 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/20071211/Overview.php#qr-visual-audio-contrast-visual-presentation
13:55:30 [carlosI]
JK: CI questioned on his mail if ems is a proper measurement fot line-width
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SAZ: C20 technique is what we are talking about
14:01:57 [carlosI]
CI: nothing has changed in the technique since my last response
14:02:35 [carlosI]
CI: you can't use ems as a line-length measure
14:02:52 [carlosI]
CI: ems refeer to character height not width
14:06:36 [carlosI]
SAZ: the question is if we think it is impossible to test this provision
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SAZ: it is focused on too long lines
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SAZ: what's the problem with this?
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JK: not problem from the testing perspective
14:10:25 [carlosI]
JK: resize window and count characters
14:11:48 [carlosI]
MS: it is manually testable as JK said
14:13:23 [carlosI]
SAZ: proposal: send WCAG back the idea we don't have any problem with the SC itself
14:13:36 [carlosI]
SAZ: follow-up the Technique issue
14:16:46 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/after/index
14:19:47 [carlosI]
SAZ: our comment back could be we don't have any problem with the SC itself but the associated technique need clarification and we may have further comments on it
14:20:36 [carlosI]
ACTION: CI to draft response and send it to the list for further discussion by tomorrow midday
14:21:17 [carlosI]
SAZ: some pending action items
14:21:27 [carlosI]
SAZ: SAZ to finish schema
14:21:50 [carlosI]
SAZ: JK and CV update Content in RDF
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SAZ: new HTTP in RDF to review
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SAZ: CI to finish Pointers draft
14:22:49 [carlosI]
MS: timeline for Last Call?
14:23:12 [carlosI]
SAZ: we reached LC time ago
14:23:22 [carlosI]
SAZ: hard to say right now
14:23:40 [carlosI]
JK: EARL is the only in the REC process
14:24:45 [carlosI]
SAZ: maybe publish for the 14th of April
14:25:04 [carlosI]
SAZ: then need decission by the 9th
14:26:21 [carlosI]
SAZ: on the 2nd April (next meeting) we should have Content in RDF and HTTP in RDF on the Agenda
14:26:56 [carlosI]
JK: maybe not possible for CV and me
14:27:15 [carlosI]
JK: probably regrets for the next week
14:27:57 [carlosI]
SAZ: then next meeting is tentative depending on agenda and people availibility
14:28:34 [Zakim]
-michael
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-Johannes
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-shadi
14:28:42 [carlosI]
ACTION: SAZ try to get a new publication plan
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-Carlos_Iglesias
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WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has ended
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Attendees were Carlos_Iglesias, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, shadi, Johannes, michael
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-minutes.html shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
16:45:42 [shadi]
rrsagent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: CI to draft response and send it to the list for further discussion by tomorrow midday [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-irc#T14-20-36
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ACTION: SAZ try to get a new publication plan [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-irc#T14-28-42