IRC log of er on 2008-03-26
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-irc
- 13:27:54 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be ert
- 13:27:54 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- meeting: ERT WG
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- chair: Shadi
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- regrets: CarlosV
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Mar/0032.html
- 13:28:44 [shadi]
- agenda Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters
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- agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters
- 13:32:24 [carlosI]
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- 13:32:39 [Zakim]
- WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has now started
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- +Carlos_Iglesias
- 13:33:02 [shadi]
- zakim, code?
- 13:33:02 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
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- +??P5
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- -??P5
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- +??P5
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- +[IBM]
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- +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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- 13:35:15 [shadi]
- zakim, ??p5 is really shadi
- 13:35:15 [Zakim]
- +shadi; got it
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- -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
- 13:35:44 [Zakim]
- +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
- 13:36:10 [JohannesK]
- Zakim, Klaus is really Johannes
- 13:36:10 [Zakim]
- +Johannes; got it
- 13:37:46 [shadi]
- scribe: carlosi
- 13:38:04 [shadi]
- zakim, ibm is really michael
- 13:38:04 [Zakim]
- +michael; got it
- 13:38:51 [carlosI]
- SAZ: new (not yet official) member of the group: Michael from IBM
- 13:38:55 [shadi]
- agenda+ Introducing Michael Squillace
- 13:39:05 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 13:39:05 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters" taken up [from shadi]
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
- 13:39:08 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Introducing Michael Squillace" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:40:58 [carlosI]
- SAZ: Michael's experience on tools will be useful for the group
- 13:41:38 [carlosI]
- presentation round
- 13:43:28 [shadi]
- http://www.eclipse.org/actf/
- 13:48:16 [carlosI]
- SAZ: have several tool producers at the group
- 13:48:40 [carlosI]
- SAZ: interesting for the group objective
- 13:49:54 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 13:49:54 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:50:21 [carlosI]
- SAZ: just one agenda item, lots of pending action items
- 13:51:04 [JohannesK]
- 1.4.8 Visual Presentation
- 13:51:16 [JohannesK]
- For the visual presentation of blocks of text, a mechanism is available to achieve the following:
- 13:51:23 [JohannesK]
- width is no more than 80 characters or glyphs (40 if CJK)
- 13:51:48 [carlosI]
- SAZ: requirement of 80 characters width at WCAG2 1.4.8
- 13:54:18 [carlosI]
- SAZ: try to avoid a minimun width of the block of text in a way that the text will not reflow
- 13:54:46 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/20071211/Overview.php#qr-visual-audio-contrast-visual-presentation
- 13:55:30 [carlosI]
- JK: CI questioned on his mail if ems is a proper measurement fot line-width
- 13:59:55 [carlosI]
- SAZ: C20 technique is what we are talking about
- 14:01:57 [carlosI]
- CI: nothing has changed in the technique since my last response
- 14:02:35 [carlosI]
- CI: you can't use ems as a line-length measure
- 14:02:52 [carlosI]
- CI: ems refeer to character height not width
- 14:06:36 [carlosI]
- SAZ: the question is if we think it is impossible to test this provision
- 14:09:11 [carlosI]
- SAZ: it is focused on too long lines
- 14:09:54 [carlosI]
- SAZ: what's the problem with this?
- 14:10:08 [carlosI]
- JK: not problem from the testing perspective
- 14:10:25 [carlosI]
- JK: resize window and count characters
- 14:11:48 [carlosI]
- MS: it is manually testable as JK said
- 14:13:23 [carlosI]
- SAZ: proposal: send WCAG back the idea we don't have any problem with the SC itself
- 14:13:36 [carlosI]
- SAZ: follow-up the Technique issue
- 14:16:46 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/after/index
- 14:19:47 [carlosI]
- SAZ: our comment back could be we don't have any problem with the SC itself but the associated technique need clarification and we may have further comments on it
- 14:20:36 [carlosI]
- ACTION: CI to draft response and send it to the list for further discussion by tomorrow midday
- 14:21:17 [carlosI]
- SAZ: some pending action items
- 14:21:27 [carlosI]
- SAZ: SAZ to finish schema
- 14:21:50 [carlosI]
- SAZ: JK and CV update Content in RDF
- 14:22:00 [carlosI]
- SAZ: new HTTP in RDF to review
- 14:22:16 [carlosI]
- SAZ: CI to finish Pointers draft
- 14:22:49 [carlosI]
- MS: timeline for Last Call?
- 14:23:12 [carlosI]
- SAZ: we reached LC time ago
- 14:23:22 [carlosI]
- SAZ: hard to say right now
- 14:23:40 [carlosI]
- JK: EARL is the only in the REC process
- 14:24:45 [carlosI]
- SAZ: maybe publish for the 14th of April
- 14:25:04 [carlosI]
- SAZ: then need decission by the 9th
- 14:26:21 [carlosI]
- SAZ: on the 2nd April (next meeting) we should have Content in RDF and HTTP in RDF on the Agenda
- 14:26:56 [carlosI]
- JK: maybe not possible for CV and me
- 14:27:15 [carlosI]
- JK: probably regrets for the next week
- 14:27:57 [carlosI]
- SAZ: then next meeting is tentative depending on agenda and people availibility
- 14:28:34 [Zakim]
- -michael
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- -Johannes
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- -shadi
- 14:28:42 [carlosI]
- ACTION: SAZ try to get a new publication plan
- 14:29:04 [Zakim]
- -Carlos_Iglesias
- 14:29:05 [Zakim]
- WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were Carlos_Iglesias, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, shadi, Johannes, michael
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-minutes.html shadi
- 16:45:39 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, bye
- 16:45:42 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: CI to draft response and send it to the list for further discussion by tomorrow midday [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-irc#T14-20-36
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- ACTION: SAZ try to get a new publication plan [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-irc#T14-28-42