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13:27:54 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:27:54 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:27:59 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:28:05 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:28:11 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
13:28:32 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Mar/0032.html
13:28:44 <shadi> agenda Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters
13:28:50 <shadi> agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters
13:32:24 <carlosI> carlosI has joined #er
13:32:39 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has now started
13:32:40 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:33:02 <shadi> zakim, code?
13:33:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
13:34:03 <Zakim> +??P5
13:34:05 <Zakim> -??P5
13:34:05 <Zakim> +??P5
13:34:15 <Zakim> +[IBM]
13:35:04 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:35:05 <JohannesK> JohannesK has joined #er
13:35:15 <shadi> zakim, ??p5 is really shadi
13:35:15 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
13:35:17 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:35:44 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:36:10 <JohannesK> Zakim, Klaus is really Johannes
13:36:10 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
13:37:46 <shadi> scribe: carlosi
13:38:04 <shadi> zakim, ibm is really michael
13:38:04 <Zakim> +michael; got it
13:38:51 <carlosI> SAZ: new (not yet official) member of the group: Michael from IBM
13:38:55 <shadi> agenda+ Introducing Michael Squillace
13:39:05 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:39:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters" taken up [from shadi]
13:39:07 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:39:08 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Introducing Michael Squillace" taken up [from shadi]
13:40:58 <carlosI> SAZ: Michael's experience on tools will be useful for the group
13:41:38 <carlosI> presentation round
13:43:28 <shadi> http://www.eclipse.org/actf/
13:48:16 <carlosI> SAZ: have several tool producers at the group
13:48:40 <carlosI> SAZ: interesting for the group objective
13:49:54 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:49:54 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 - testing for 80 characters" taken up [from shadi]
13:50:21 <carlosI> SAZ: just one agenda item, lots of pending action items
13:51:04 <JohannesK> 1.4.8 Visual Presentation
13:51:16 <JohannesK> For the visual presentation of blocks of text, a mechanism is available to achieve the following:
13:51:23 <JohannesK> width is no more than 80 characters or glyphs (40 if CJK)
13:51:48 <carlosI> SAZ: requirement of 80 characters width at WCAG2 1.4.8
13:54:18 <carlosI> SAZ: try to avoid a minimun width of the block of text in a way that the text will not reflow
13:54:46 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/20071211/Overview.php#qr-visual-audio-contrast-visual-presentation
13:55:30 <carlosI> JK: CI questioned on his mail if ems is a proper measurement fot line-width
13:59:55 <carlosI> SAZ: C20 technique is what we are talking about
14:01:57 <carlosI> CI: nothing has changed in the technique since my last response
14:02:35 <carlosI> CI: you can't use ems as a line-length measure
14:02:52 <carlosI> CI: ems refeer to character height not width
14:06:36 <carlosI> SAZ: the question is if we think it is impossible to test this provision
14:09:11 <carlosI> SAZ: it is focused on too long lines
14:09:54 <carlosI> SAZ: what's the problem with this?
14:10:08 <carlosI> JK: not problem from the testing perspective
14:10:25 <carlosI> JK: resize window and count characters
14:11:48 <carlosI> MS: it is manually testable as JK said
14:13:23 <carlosI> SAZ: proposal: send WCAG back the idea we don't have any problem with the SC itself
14:13:36 <carlosI> SAZ: follow-up the Technique issue
14:16:46 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/after/index
14:19:47 <carlosI> SAZ: our comment back could be we don't have any problem with the SC itself but the associated technique need clarification and we may have further comments on it
14:20:36 <carlosI> ACTION: CI to draft response and send it to the list for further discussion by tomorrow midday
14:21:17 <carlosI> SAZ: some pending action items
14:21:27 <carlosI> SAZ: SAZ to finish schema
14:21:50 <carlosI> SAZ: JK and CV update Content in RDF
14:22:00 <carlosI> SAZ: new HTTP in RDF to review
14:22:16 <carlosI> SAZ: CI to finish Pointers draft
14:22:49 <carlosI> MS: timeline for Last Call?
14:23:12 <carlosI> SAZ: we reached LC time ago
14:23:22 <carlosI> SAZ: hard to say right now
14:23:40 <carlosI> JK: EARL is the only in the REC process
14:24:45 <carlosI> SAZ: maybe publish for the 14th of April
14:25:04 <carlosI> SAZ: then need decission by the 9th
14:26:21 <carlosI> SAZ: on the 2nd April (next meeting) we should have Content in RDF and HTTP in RDF on the Agenda
14:26:56 <carlosI> JK: maybe not possible for CV and me
14:27:15 <carlosI> JK: probably regrets for the next week
14:27:57 <carlosI> SAZ: then next meeting is tentative depending on agenda and people availibility
14:28:34 <Zakim> -michael
14:28:35 <Zakim> -Johannes
14:28:41 <Zakim> -shadi
14:28:42 <carlosI> ACTION: SAZ try to get a new publication plan
14:29:04 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:29:05 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has ended
14:29:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Carlos_Iglesias, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, shadi, Johannes, michael
16:45:27 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:45:33 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:45:37 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:45:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-er-minutes.html shadi