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09:32:25 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makes logs public', Kai.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
09:33:06 <Kai> Meeting: mobileOK Pro Task Force
09:33:48 <Kai> Chair: Kai
09:34:34 <manrique> I have done the call
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09:36:16 <achuter> zakim, code?
09:36:17 <Zakim> sorry, achuter, I don't know what conference this is
09:36:29 <Kai> Zakim, code?
09:36:29 <Zakim> sorry, Kai, I don't know what conference this is
09:36:50 <DKA> zakim, what's the code?
09:36:50 <Zakim> sorry, DKA, I don't know what conference this is
09:37:06 <DKA> zakim, this is bppro
09:37:06 <Zakim> ok, DKA; that matches MWI_BPWG(BPPRO)5:30AM
09:37:19 <DKA> zakim, what's the code?
09:37:19 <Zakim> the conference code is 27776 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), DKA
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09:37:47 <Zakim> +??P6
09:37:54 <DKA> trackbot-ng, start meeting
09:37:56 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
09:37:57 <achuter> zakim, ??P6
09:37:58 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P6', achuter
09:37:58 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
09:37:59 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
09:37:59 <trackbot-ng> Date: 26 March 2008
09:37:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng, I see MWI_BPWG(BPPRO)5:30AM already started
09:38:00 <achuter> zakim, ??P6 is me
09:38:00 <Zakim> +achuter; got it
09:38:09 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
09:38:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see +0496151aaaa, Carlos_Iglesias, +0783371aabb, +0774811aacc, achuter
09:38:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see drooks, Zakim, RRSAgent, Kai, DKA, achuter, manrique, francois, jo, trackbot-ng, dom
09:38:16 <DKA> zakim, aacc is DKA
09:38:16 <Zakim> +DKA; got it
09:39:05 <Kai> ScribeNick: drooks
09:39:32 <drooks> Kai: recaps last weeks face to face
09:39:37 <achuter> zakim, mute me
09:39:37 <Zakim> achuter should now be muted
09:39:46 <drooks> dave appologises again for not being able to make it
09:40:13 <drooks> kai: we made great progress in terms of making tests more repeatable
09:40:29 <DKA> got it
09:40:32 <achuter> zakim, unmute me
09:40:32 <Zakim> achuter should no longer be muted
09:40:33 <manrique> got it
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09:41:32 <DKA> ??
09:41:43 <dom> grmpf
09:41:54 <drooks> Kai: can everyone read through updated MOK doc tests 4.1 - 4.12 to see what we have done so far
09:42:34 <drooks> Kai: today i want to divide up the rets of the tests and get everyone to try and find ways to make them more repeatable
09:44:17 <DKA> zakim, mute me
09:44:17 <Zakim> DKA should now be muted
09:44:31 <drooks> kai: lets look at 4.3 - avoid free text
09:44:53 <Kai> If the user is asked to fill in a form and if there is a finite number of possible values that the user could enter and those options are not presented either as a series of radio buttons, check boxes or a select menu: [FAIL].
09:45:00 <DKA> zakim, unmute me
09:45:00 <Zakim> DKA should no longer be muted
09:45:04 <PhilA> zakim, dka has PhilA
09:45:04 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
09:46:05 <drooks> achuter: maybe we should create an examples document?
09:46:47 <drooks> kai: not sure creating a seperate doc will add any value
09:47:25 <drooks> achuter: we need to make sure the examples we provide are as complete as possible
09:47:43 <drooks> kai: yes, but we shouldn't forget that they are just examples
09:48:40 <PhilA> q+
09:49:25 <PhilA> q-
09:49:54 <drooks> phila: danger in giving examples as people will assume that the examples cover all aspects of the test
09:50:56 <drooks> kai: everyone is more than welcome to add examples if they believe they are of value
09:52:30 <drooks> phila: should we consider predictive text as a way to expliot deivce capabilities and avoid free text?
09:52:48 <achuter> q+
09:53:16 <drooks> drooks: can a Web site improve the predictive text capabilities of a device???
09:53:26 <Kai> ack alan
09:53:33 <Kai> ack ach
09:54:04 <drooks> kai: lets put this doscussion on hold
09:54:24 <achuter> q+
09:54:28 <drooks> kai: lets distribute remaining tests between us all to work over
09:55:15 <drooks> drooks: will take 4.15 - 4.20
09:55:49 <DKA> I will put my hand up but please chase me about them.
09:55:59 <PhilA> me to take 32 - 38
09:56:35 <drooks> drooks: i'll take more if needed
09:56:40 <achuter> Alan to take 10 to 15
09:56:42 <PhilA> Dan to take 27 - 31
09:57:33 <achuter> Alan to take 13, 14, 15, 21, 22
09:57:53 <Kai> I will take 23-26
09:59:33 <drooks> kai: i've started putting in a high level revision description
09:59:53 <drooks> kai: don't see need to go into more detail than that for now
10:00:13 <drooks> phila: change log required once we go to first public working draft
10:00:35 <drooks> drokos: lets make sure we're happy with everything before we publish it then :)
10:00:55 <drooks> s/drokos/drooks
10:03:01 <achuter> bye
10:03:04 <Zakim> -DKA
10:03:06 <manrique> bye
10:03:09 <Zakim> -achuter
10:03:13 <Zakim> - +0783371aabb
10:03:23 <Kai> rrsagent, make logs public
10:03:23 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public
10:03:26 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
10:03:35 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:03:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-bpwg-minutes.html PhilA
10:03:49 <Kai> rrsagent, make logs public
10:04:43 <PhilA> chair: Kai
10:05:20 <Kai> Zakim, who is present
10:05:20 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is present', Kai
10:05:26 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
10:05:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-bpwg-minutes.html PhilA
10:05:50 <Kai> Zakim, list attendees
10:05:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +0496151aaaa, Carlos_Iglesias, +0783371aabb, +0774811aacc, achuter, PhilA
10:06:09 <Kai> Zakim, list participants
10:06:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +0496151aaaa, Carlos_Iglesias, +0783371aabb, +0774811aacc, achuter, PhilA
10:06:19 <PhilA> present+ Kai, DKA, Alan, Dave, Manrique, Carlos
10:06:28 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
10:06:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-bpwg-minutes.html PhilA
10:07:10 <PhilA> PhilA has left #bpwg
10:07:48 <Kai> present+ Kai, DKA, Alan, Dave, Manrique, Carlos
10:08:01 <Kai> Zakim, list attendees
10:08:01 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +0496151aaaa, Carlos_Iglesias, +0783371aabb, +0774811aacc, achuter, PhilA
10:08:25 <Kai> rrsagent, generate minutes
10:08:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-bpwg-minutes.html Kai
10:08:27 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, +0496151aaaa, in MWI_BPWG(BPPRO)5:30AM
10:08:32 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG(BPPRO)5:30AM has ended
10:08:33 <Zakim> Attendees were +0496151aaaa, Carlos_Iglesias, +0783371aabb, +0774811aacc, achuter, PhilA
10:08:53 <Kai> rrsagent, bye
10:08:53 <RRSAgent> I see no action items