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14:56:05 <vipul> Zakim, this will be BIONT
14:56:05 <Zakim> ok, vipul; I see SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:56:23 <vipul> rrsagent. make logs world-visible
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14:56:49 <vipul> agenda
14:56:57 <vipul> rrsagent, help agenda
15:00:41 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has now started
15:00:48 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
15:00:53 <vipul> Zakim, this is BIONT
15:00:53 <Zakim> vipul, this was already SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
15:00:54 <Zakim> ok, vipul; that matches SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
15:00:58 <Zakim> +Tony
15:01:08 <vipul> Hi Jyoti
15:01:53 <Zakim> + +46.4.63.3.aaaa
15:02:13 <vipul> Zakim, aaaa is Bo.Anderssen
15:02:13 <Zakim> +Bo.Anderssen; got it
15:02:21 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:02:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Tony, Bo.Anderssen
15:02:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, vipul, ericP
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15:03:01 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
15:03:14 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:03:34 <Zakim> + +1.813.396.aabb
15:03:42 <Zakim> +??P36
15:03:45 <vipul> Zakim, aabb is Rachel
15:03:45 <Zakim> +Rachel; got it
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15:04:11 <vipul> Zakim, ??P36 is Matthias
15:04:11 <Zakim> +Matthias; got it
15:04:18 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:04:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Tony, Bo.Anderssen, Kerstin_Forsberg, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Rachel, Matthias
15:04:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see chimezie, Helen, matthiassamwald, Zakim, RRSAgent, vipul, ericP
15:05:06 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:05:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Tony, Bo.Anderssen, Kerstin_Forsberg, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Rachel, Matthias
15:05:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see chimezie, Helen, matthiassamwald, Zakim, RRSAgent, vipul, ericP
15:05:44 <vipul> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:05:44 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Matthias
15:06:01 <vipul> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:06:01 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Vipul_Kashyap
15:06:42 <matthiassamwald> (I was chatting with Holger Stenzhorn 20 minutes ago via Skype, but then I lost contact -- the DERI network seems to be down at the moment.)
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15:07:22 <Zakim> +Helen_Chen
15:07:47 <vipul> Holger .. any updates on inviting Chris?
15:08:11 <vipul> to discuss the mappings between the ACGT ontology and CDISC/HL7 standards is any?
15:08:49 <Zakim> + +1.801.736.aacc
15:08:59 <vipul> Zakim, aacc is Tom.Oniki
15:08:59 <Zakim> +Tom.Oniki; got it
15:10:00 <vipul> Vipul: We limit the scope of the prototype to Medications, Lab Results and Vital Signs
15:10:17 <vipul> Vipul: The use of FMA
15:10:48 <vipul> Vipul: The current use cases which we have do not require anatomical reasoning ... we probably postpone the use of FMA
15:11:40 <vipul> Vipul; FMA reflects an anatomist's point of view which is not necessarily the same as a clinician's point of view. There are certain challenges in this regard
15:12:13 <Helen> +1
15:12:55 <matthiassamwald> (I cannot judge this)
15:14:04 <vipul> Helen: Does the scoping reflect the inclusion/exclusion criteria chosen by Rachel
15:14:44 <vipul> Rachel: Decided at different times that there are so many different constructs... so we need to choose. and start somewhere
15:16:30 <vipul> Helen: Need to demonstrate the inference to show the value of semantic web technologies
15:18:55 <vipul> ACTION: Steve Sandberg from Mayo Clinic will present the BRIDG/SDTM model and mappings in the next telcon - Jyoti to coordinate
15:19:24 <vipul> ACTION: Holger to invite Chris to discuss mappings between the ACGT ontology to CDISC/HL7 if any
15:23:15 <vipul> ACTION: Jyoti, Helen, Tom Oniki and Parsa to discuss small clinical practice ontology
15:23:28 <vipul> ACTION: Jyoti to put up the slides on the wiki
15:28:02 <vipul> ACTION: Vipul to identify a time for you guys to talk...
15:29:59 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ClinicalPractice-Ontology-Version-1.ppt
15:31:04 <vipul> Jyoti: Presenting the Clinical Practice Ontology
15:33:48 <vipul> Vipul: Jyoti can extend the ontology to include medications from the examples on the wiki ... http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=MedicationModels.ppt
15:34:43 <vipul> Tom: Vital Signs arbitrary grouping ....
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15:41:17 <vipul> Kerstin: Interchange structures of Vital Signs is identified in the SDTM but would prefer the flexibility as proposed by Tom
15:41:42 <vipul> Jyoti: Could not understand the constraints
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15:47:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:47:55 <holger_stenzhor1> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is holger_stenzhorn
15:47:58 <Zakim> sorry, holger_stenzhor1, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
15:48:16 <holger_stenzhor1> Zakim, [IPcaller]  is holger_stenzhorn
15:48:16 <Zakim> +holger_stenzhorn; got it
15:48:36 <holger_stenzhor1> sorry for being late: a router exploded so I did ot have any network conection
16:03:43 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:04:46 <Zakim> -Rachel
16:07:48 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
16:08:12 <Zakim> -Tom.Oniki
16:08:14 <Zakim> -Tony
16:08:15 <Zakim> -Helen_Chen
16:08:16 <matthiassamwald> bye
16:08:22 <Zakim> -holger_stenzhorn
16:08:26 <Zakim> -Bo.Anderssen
16:08:33 <Zakim> -Matthias
16:08:51 <vipul> Vipul: Discussion between Jyoti, Tom, Vipul, Helen and Chimezie on the issue of modeling the semantics underlying the CEMs vs modeling the CEMs themselves
16:09:03 <vipul> rrsagent, make minutes
16:09:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/25-hcls-minutes.html vipul
16:13:34 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Vipul_Kashyap, in SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
16:13:38 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended
16:13:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Vipul_Kashyap, Tony, +46.4.63.3.aaaa, Bo.Anderssen, Kerstin_Forsberg, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.813.396.aabb, Rachel, Matthias, Helen_Chen, +1.801.736.aacc, Tom.Oniki,
16:13:42 <Zakim> ... holger_stenzhorn
16:14:21 <vipul> Holger are you there?
16:14:44 <holger_stenzhor1> yeah - but on the phone with Matthais
16:15:37 <vipul> Need your help for two things:
16:15:52 <holger_stenzhor1> yes?
16:15:59 <vipul> 1. Please invite Chris to present on the mappings between ACGT ontology and CDISC/HL7 if any
16:16:32 <vipul> 2. Please coordinate with Rachel and Jennifer to create a small ontology based on ACGT and SDTM for modeling labs, vital signs and medications
16:17:18 <holger_stenzhor1> ok
16:17:36 <vipul> They are listed in the ACTION items in the minutes ... http://www.w3.org/2008/03/25-hcls-minutes.html 
16:18:17 <holger_stenzhor1> actually, I have alread talked to Cristian about the mappings and I mentioned that last time that Cristian says that he is not involved in the mapping and hence does not know much about it
16:19:15 <holger_stenzhor1> Cristian says that other ACGT project partners are involved i the alctual mapping process - so I contacted them via e-mail twice but have sadly not gotten any response back
16:19:22 <vipul> You did mention that the ACGT ontology has re-used the CDISC standards wherever appropriate... Can you find someone to discuss this?
16:19:46 <vipul> Oh OK. may be then you should invite some one from those project partners?
16:20:27 <holger_stenzhor1> that is what I basically did - I will try again - and ask Cristian gain if by any chance he might knows anything about it also
16:22:00 <holger_stenzhor1> but for his presentation to COI he only reused some very old slides I had done some long time ago for some presentation to EU officials and he did not anything else regarding mapping - as I have (kindly) asked him to do ;-)
16:25:35 <holger_stenzhor1> and regarding 2) I am already in contact with Jennifer for possible collaboration with COI for their efforts in CIO: when I am back in Germany in the 3rd week of April I will meet Cristian (who is also a member of CIO) and Jennifer, Cristian and myself will stick all our heads together for that
16:26:42 <holger_stenzhor1> ok?
16:29:12 <vipul> I think it would be great for you, Jennifer and Rachel to initiate work on this. Will send e-mail to the three of you asking for some good times US EDT to arrange for a telcon
16:29:26 <holger_stenzhor1> great
16:29:54 <holger_stenzhor1> again sorry for my lateness today - but there was absolutely no network for me here ;-(
16:31:13 <vipul> I understand
16:31:32 <vipul> Matthias told me that the DERI network had gone down
16:31:55 <holger_stenzhor1> literally 10 minutes before the telco