IRC log of databinding on 2008-03-25

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Zakim, this will be DBWG
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Meeting: XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 25 March 2008
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+Yves
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Zakim, this will be DBWG
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ok, trackbot-ng, I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM already started
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Meeting: XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 25 March 2008
15:02:01 [pauld]
zakim, code
15:02:01 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'code', pauld
15:02:03 [pauld]
zakim, code?
15:02:03 [Zakim]
the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
15:02:46 [pauld]
zakim, who is on the call?
15:02:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see MarkS, +0800328aaaa, Yves
15:03:02 [pauld]
zakim, marks is really gcowe
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+gcowe; got it
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zakim, aaaa is JonC
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+JonC; got it
15:06:02 [pauld]
yeah, still holding for an operator :(
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-JonC
15:07:48 [gcowe]
looks like i'm the only on this call!!
15:07:58 [JonC]
I have had to dial in again as well
15:08:03 [pauld]
zakim, who is on the call?
15:08:03 [Zakim]
On the phone I see gcowe, Yves
15:08:05 [Yves]
yep, let's all leave
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-Yves
15:08:12 [gcowe]
ok
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Attendees were +0800328aaaa, Yves, gcowe, JonC
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ok, Yves; conference Team_(databinding)15:08Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1608Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked
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+Yves
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+JonC
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-JonC
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+JonC
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+ +0791888aaaa
15:10:19 [pauld]
zakim, who is on the call?
15:10:19 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Yves, JonC, PaulD
15:11:04 [Zakim]
+gcowe
15:11:48 [pauld]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2008Mar/0014.html
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Topic: Admistrivia
15:12:09 [pauld]
minutes from 18th approved
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Topic: Publication
15:15:58 [pauld]
gcowe: we shouldn't have directories with "edcopy" in the URI
15:16:08 [pauld]
scribe: pauld
15:17:30 [pauld]
pauld: we'll take a snapshot of the collection and testsuite report and publish when we go to the Director for PR
15:17:58 [pauld]
pauld: believe I have completed the editing for Last Call
15:18:31 [pauld]
jonc: what about "Block Default"? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2008Mar/0015.html
15:19:01 [pauld]
pauld: also George points out that NonIdentifierPattern is still basic
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pauld: document here: http://localhost/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/basic/basic.html
15:21:09 [pauld]
yves: we need to highlight moving directly to PR in the status section
15:21:12 [pauld]
pauld: done!
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Topic: blockDefault
15:22:40 [pauld]
jonc: it's an innocuous default pattern
15:24:07 [pauld]
pauld: we have a statement in the status section about not introducing new elements and attributes
15:24:23 [pauld]
pauld: have you tested them? "./@blockDefault and not(./@blockDefault)" looks strange
15:26:18 [pauld]
gcowe: happy with the first option, seems an unusual thing to do
15:26:45 [pauld]
pauld: there is precedence, e.g nillable
15:28:08 [pauld]
jonc: and we have others globalComplexTypeBlock and globalElementBlock
15:30:49 [pauld]
pauld: this seems better ./xs:element[@block=""]/(@block)
15:34:51 [pauld]
gcowe: blockDefault and finalDefault have been skipped on all of the tools
15:35:19 [pauld]
pauld: can we move these to advanced?
15:35:30 [pauld]
gcowe: we don't have much evidence
15:36:07 [pauld]
jonc: doesn't seem dangerous, but without testing ..
15:36:34 [pauld]
gcowe: we don't use it, and my guess is if we test this it'll be advanced
15:39:35 [pauld]
RESOLUTION: move GlobalComplexTypeBlock, GlobalElementFinal, GlobalElementBlock to advanced
15:40:39 [pauld]
Topic: NonIdentifierName
15:40:55 [pauld]
gcowe: we're hitting this due to names longer than 32
15:41:07 [pauld]
pauld: we discussed this under ISSUE-10
15:41:26 [pauld]
gcowe: we don't have very good examples in this area
15:42:03 [pauld]
pauld: we should add some more tests
15:43:45 [pauld]
pauld: we could split the pattern to be "symbolic name" and "long symbolic name"
15:44:30 [gcowe]
ISSUE 10 discussed in this thread
15:44:37 [gcowe]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Sep/0002.html
15:45:47 [pauld]
gcowe: 31 is the magic number
15:46:46 [pauld]
pauld: worried, because we're sure non-ASCII names is an issue, but the length?
15:47:46 [pauld]
pauld: let's create some examples
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gcowe: worried by the number of examples in this area
15:50:11 [pauld]
pauld: we could create a little test suite for this alone
15:52:22 [pauld]
gcowe: we've tried long names in C# and Java without issues, but obviously C might ..
15:52:32 [pauld]
pauld: OK we'll work on this
15:53:36 [pauld]
Topic: Detection Service
15:54:09 [pauld]
gcowe: thinking about adding highlighting, also been thinking about rerunning test suite
15:55:56 [pauld]
Topic: Last Call
15:56:14 [pauld]
pauld: we're mostly done
15:56:24 [pauld]
yves: links to Test Suite and Collection?
15:56:42 [pauld]
pauld: will do son
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s/son/so/
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ADJOURNED
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-PaulD
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-JonC
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-Yves
15:58:27 [pauld]
pauld: pickup in two weeks
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-gcowe
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Team_(databinding)15:08Z has ended
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Attendees were Yves, JonC, +0791888aaaa, PaulD, gcowe
15:58:35 [pauld]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/25-databinding-minutes.html pauld
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