IRC log of databinding on 2008-03-25

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Zakim, this will be DBWG

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Meeting: XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 25 March 2008

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+Yves

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Zakim, this will be DBWG

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ok, trackbot-ng, I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM already started

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Meeting: XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 25 March 2008

15:02:01 [pauld]

zakim, code

15:02:01 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'code', pauld

15:02:03 [pauld]

zakim, code?

15:02:03 [Zakim]

the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld

15:02:46 [pauld]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:02:46 [Zakim]

On the phone I see MarkS, +0800328aaaa, Yves

15:03:02 [pauld]

zakim, marks is really gcowe

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+gcowe; got it

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zakim, aaaa is JonC

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+JonC; got it

15:06:02 [pauld]

yeah, still holding for an operator :(

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-JonC

15:07:48 [gcowe]

looks like i'm the only on this call!!

15:07:58 [JonC]

I have had to dial in again as well

15:08:03 [pauld]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:08:03 [Zakim]

On the phone I see gcowe, Yves

15:08:05 [Yves]

yep, let's all leave

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-Yves

15:08:12 [gcowe]

ok

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Attendees were +0800328aaaa, Yves, gcowe, JonC

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ok, Yves; conference Team_(databinding)15:08Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1608Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked

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+Yves

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+JonC

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-JonC

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+JonC

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+ +0791888aaaa

15:10:19 [pauld]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:10:19 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Yves, JonC, PaulD

15:11:04 [Zakim]

+gcowe

15:11:48 [pauld]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2008Mar/0014.html

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Topic: Admistrivia

15:12:09 [pauld]

minutes from 18th approved

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Topic: Publication

15:15:58 [pauld]

gcowe: we shouldn't have directories with "edcopy" in the URI

15:16:08 [pauld]

scribe: pauld

15:17:30 [pauld]

pauld: we'll take a snapshot of the collection and testsuite report and publish when we go to the Director for PR

15:17:58 [pauld]

pauld: believe I have completed the editing for Last Call

15:18:31 [pauld]

jonc: what about "Block Default"? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2008Mar/0015.html

15:19:01 [pauld]

pauld: also George points out that NonIdentifierPattern is still basic

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pauld: document here: http://localhost/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/basic/basic.html

15:21:09 [pauld]

yves: we need to highlight moving directly to PR in the status section

15:21:12 [pauld]

pauld: done!

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Topic: blockDefault

15:22:40 [pauld]

jonc: it's an innocuous default pattern

15:24:07 [pauld]

pauld: we have a statement in the status section about not introducing new elements and attributes

15:24:23 [pauld]

pauld: have you tested them? "./@blockDefault and not(./@blockDefault)" looks strange

15:26:18 [pauld]

gcowe: happy with the first option, seems an unusual thing to do

15:26:45 [pauld]

pauld: there is precedence, e.g nillable

15:28:08 [pauld]

jonc: and we have others globalComplexTypeBlock and globalElementBlock

15:30:49 [pauld]

pauld: this seems better ./xs:element[@block=""]/(@block)

15:34:51 [pauld]

gcowe: blockDefault and finalDefault have been skipped on all of the tools

15:35:19 [pauld]

pauld: can we move these to advanced?

15:35:30 [pauld]

gcowe: we don't have much evidence

15:36:07 [pauld]

jonc: doesn't seem dangerous, but without testing ..

15:36:34 [pauld]

gcowe: we don't use it, and my guess is if we test this it'll be advanced

15:39:35 [pauld]

RESOLUTION: move GlobalComplexTypeBlock, GlobalElementFinal, GlobalElementBlock to advanced

15:40:39 [pauld]

Topic: NonIdentifierName

15:40:55 [pauld]

gcowe: we're hitting this due to names longer than 32

15:41:07 [pauld]

pauld: we discussed this under ISSUE-10

15:41:26 [pauld]

gcowe: we don't have very good examples in this area

15:42:03 [pauld]

pauld: we should add some more tests

15:43:45 [pauld]

pauld: we could split the pattern to be "symbolic name" and "long symbolic name"

15:44:30 [gcowe]

ISSUE 10 discussed in this thread

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Sep/0002.html

15:45:47 [pauld]

gcowe: 31 is the magic number

15:46:46 [pauld]

pauld: worried, because we're sure non-ASCII names is an issue, but the length?

15:47:46 [pauld]

pauld: let's create some examples

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gcowe: worried by the number of examples in this area

15:50:11 [pauld]

pauld: we could create a little test suite for this alone

15:52:22 [pauld]

gcowe: we've tried long names in C# and Java without issues, but obviously C might ..

15:52:32 [pauld]

pauld: OK we'll work on this

15:53:36 [pauld]

Topic: Detection Service

15:54:09 [pauld]

gcowe: thinking about adding highlighting, also been thinking about rerunning test suite

15:55:56 [pauld]

Topic: Last Call

15:56:14 [pauld]

pauld: we're mostly done

15:56:24 [pauld]

yves: links to Test Suite and Collection?

15:56:42 [pauld]

pauld: will do son

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s/son/so/

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ADJOURNED

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-PaulD

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-JonC

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-Yves

15:58:27 [pauld]

pauld: pickup in two weeks

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-gcowe

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Team_(databinding)15:08Z has ended

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Attendees were Yves, JonC, +0791888aaaa, PaulD, gcowe

15:58:35 [pauld]

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/25-databinding-minutes.html pauld

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