IRC log of wai-wcag on 2008-03-20

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meeting: WAI WCAG
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chair: Gregg, Loretta
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agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/824e742c0803182318nf3efce3od03f3721c5e451be@mail.gmail.com
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 20 Mar 2008 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080320misc/results
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agenda+ Teitac Harmonization Proposals for 20 Mar 2008 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080320teitac/results
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regrets: Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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+ +1.206.246.aaaa
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+Cooper
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+??P1
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zakim, +1.206 is Chris_Brownrigg
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+Chris_Brownrigg; got it
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+??P2
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zakim, ??P2 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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zakim, Gregg has Ben_Caldwell
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
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+Andi_Snow_Weaver
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+ +1.410.757.aabb
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+??P4
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+Tim_Boland
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zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+Cynthia_Shelly
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+Alex_Li
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scribe: Andi
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topic: Updates to Understanding SC 1.1.1
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resolution: accept Updates to Understanding SC 1.1.1 as proposed
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topic: Draft Understanding SC 1.2.1
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resolution: Accept with action to create new techniques for "text transript for audio-only" and "text description of video-only"
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action: Michael to create new techniques for text equivalent for audio-only and video-only content derived from G69
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topic: Logos and contrast
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+ +0154558aacc
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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+Cynthia_Shelly
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+David_MacDonald
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resolution: Logos and contrast accepted as amended
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topic: Issue 2378: very similar in color to the body text condition
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+??P12
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zakim, ??P12 is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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resolution: accept 2378 as amended
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topic: Issue 2379: missing situations in SC 1.4.1
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resolution: accept 2379 as amended
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zakim, mute David
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David_MacDonald should now be muted
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topic: Issue 2381: 5 is too much and missing exceptions
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topic: Issue 2384: clarifications needed on SC 1.4.5
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resolution: accept 2384 as amended
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topic: Issue 2381: 5 is too much and missing exceptions
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resolution: accept 2381 as amended
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topic: Issue 2385: alternative to text with external text ?
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resolution: accept 2385 as proposed
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topic: Issue 2401: SC 3.1.2 - needs another exception
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+??P1
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+ +1.617.584.aadd
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zakim, drop +1.617
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+1.617.584.aadd is being disconnected
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- +1.617.584.aadd
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Chris_Brownrigg, Cooper, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Drew_LaHart, Roberto_Ellero, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Alex_Li, Sean_Hayes,
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... Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald (muted), Bengt_Farre, ??P1
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Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
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zakim, drop ??P1
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??P1 is being disconnected
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-??P1
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+ +1.617.584.aaee
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zakim, +1.617 is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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+??P13
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action: Loretta to at the end of the SC: "words or phrases
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that would be pronounced the same (except for accent or intonation) in the language of the immediately surrounding text"
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s/to add to Understanding document for 3.1.2/to at the end of the SC/
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resolution: accept 2401 as proposed with action item to add Christophe's words to understanding 3.1.2
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topic: Issue 2416: Conformance Level wrong for SC 1.4.3
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resolution: accept 2416 as amende
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s/amended/amende/
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topic: Issue 2421: Conformance Level wrong for SC 2.2.2
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2421 tabled
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topic: Issue 2425: Missing Success Criteria - Acronyms
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resolution: accept 2425 as proposed
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topic: Issue 2462: 80 characters?
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zakim, unmute David
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David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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+??P14
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zakim, ??P14 is Nikolaos_Floratos
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I already had ??P14 as Nikolaos_Floratos, Ben
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q+
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-Tim_Boland
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resolution: accept 2462 as amended
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topic: Issue 2506: Conformance logos
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ack c
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resolution: accept 2506 as amended
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topic: Issue 2512: Statement of partial conformance - immediately?
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q+
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q-
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action: Cynthia to research issues with how to monitor community sites
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resolution: accept 2512 as amended
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topic: Sufficient Technique for SC 1.2.9: Incorporating a live audio captioning service into a Web page
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resolution: accept Sufficient Technique for SC 1.2.9: Incorporating a live audio captioning service into a Web page as proposed
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topic: Sufficient Technique for SC 1.3.1: Using OPTGROUP to group OPTION elements inside a SELECT
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ack k
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-Bengt_Farre
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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resolution: accept Sufficient Technique for SC 1.3.1: Using OPTGROUP to group OPTION elements inside a SELECT as amended
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topic: Sufficient technique for SC 3.3.1: Providing client-side validation and ...
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resolution: accept Sufficient technique for SC 3.3.1: Providing client-side validation and ... as amended
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topic: Issue 2497: Concerns about 80 characters width limit
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resolution: accept 2497 as proposed
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topic: Issue 2501: User agents' incorrect behaviour while navigating sequentially
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resolution: accept 2501 as proposed
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-Drew_LaHart
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-Roberto_Ellero
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ack k
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topic: Wording of SC 2.2.2 (Pausing)
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resolution: accept 2.2.2 as amended (adding 3 second clause to the auto-updating)
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A mechanism is available to pause moving, blinking, or scrolling information that lasts for more than three seconds unless it is part of an activity where the moving, blinking, or scrolling is essential. A mechanism is available to pause auto-updating information that lasts for more than 3 seconds, or allow the user to control the frequency of the update, unless it is part of an activity where auto-updating is essential. A mechanism is available to eithe
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either pause, stop, or hide moving or blinking content that is pure decoration and lasts longer than 3 seconds.
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ack c
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q+
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ack l
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Q+
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topic: Issue 2421: Conformance Level wrong for SC 2.2.2
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ack g
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q+
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ack a
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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ack l
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ack c
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ack c
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-Alex_Li
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-David_MacDonald
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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-Cooper
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Chris_Brownrigg
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-Sean_Hayes
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-Nikolaos_Floratos
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.206.246.aaaa, Cooper, Chris_Brownrigg, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Ben_Caldwell, Andi_Snow_Weaver, +1.410.757.aabb, Tim_Boland, Roberto_Ellero, Drew_LaHart,
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... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly, Alex_Li, +0154558aacc, Sean_Hayes, David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, +1.617.584.aadd, +1.617.584.aaee, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Nikolaos_Floratos
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i think it is open
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we didnt to a "unanmouse concent
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so
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just leave as
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"action item
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Sean cynthia
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loretta
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david
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gregg
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to work on new langauge
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ok?
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action: Sean, Cynthia, David, and Gregg to work on language for a Level A requirement derived from 2.2.2
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zakim, bye06
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I don't understand 'bye06', Ben
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zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, pointer?
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See http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-wai-wcag-irc#T22-38-26
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Michael to create new techniques for text equivalent for audio-only and video-only content derived from G69 [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-wai-wcag-irc#T20-13-59
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ACTION: Loretta to at the end of the SC: "words or phrases [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-wai-wcag-irc#T21-15-05
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ACTION: Cynthia to research issues with how to monitor community sites [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-wai-wcag-irc#T21-44-52
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ACTION: Sean, Cynthia, David, and Gregg to work on language for a Level A requirement derived from 2.2.2 [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-wai-wcag-irc#T22-36-50