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14:38:06 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
14:38:55 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
14:39:03 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0058.html
14:39:09 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
14:39:11 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
14:39:17 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Charlie, Joern
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14:44:16 <nick> zakim, code?
14:44:16 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
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14:45:05 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has now started
14:45:12 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
14:45:32 <Zakim> +??P6
14:45:43 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P6 is ebruchez
14:45:43 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
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14:46:20 <Zakim> + +1.919.254.aaaa
14:46:31 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
14:46:32 <wellsk> zakim, aaaa is wellsk
14:46:33 <Zakim> +wellsk; got it
14:46:35 <Rafael> Zakim, code?
14:46:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Rafael
14:47:35 <Zakim> +??P8
14:47:36 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
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14:47:55 <Rafael> ??P8 is Rafael
14:47:56 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
14:47:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Nick_van_den_Bleeken, ebruchez, wellsk, John_Boyer, ??P8, Leigh_Klotz
14:47:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see klotz, Rafael, ebruchez, nick, wellsk, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, Steven, shepazu, trackbot-ng
14:48:06 <unl> unl has joined #forms
14:48:08 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
14:48:43 <John_Boyer> zakim, ??P8 is Rafael
14:48:43 <Zakim> +Rafael; got it
14:48:57 <Zakim> +Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse
14:49:05 <Zakim> +Susan_Borgrink
14:49:16 <unl> zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
14:49:16 <Zakim> +unl; got it
14:49:36 <klotz> great, you're in practice!
14:49:46 <unl> zakim, mute me
14:49:46 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
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14:50:15 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
14:50:38 <nick> zakim, mute me
14:50:38 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
14:51:00 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0058.html
14:51:05 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0058.html
14:51:08 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
14:51:47 <wellsk> The W3C XForms 1.1 test suite can be found here:  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Test/XForms1.1/Edition1/driverPages/html/index.html
14:53:42 <wellsk> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Test/XForms1.1/Edition1/zip/TestCases11.zip
14:54:42 <wellsk> zakim, mute me
14:54:42 <Zakim> wellsk should now be muted
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14:57:12 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/att-0026/actions-2008-03-05.html
14:57:50 <klotz> Action 2008-02-13.1 done
14:58:09 <klotz> Action 2007-12-12.1 done
14:58:15 <klotz> Action 2007-11-28.2 done
14:58:34 <klotz> Action 2007-10-10.3
14:58:44 <klotz> Action 2007-08-8.1
14:58:48 <John_Boyer> Remove three of the four occurrences of Action 2008-01-16.1
15:00:15 <klotz> Action 2007-03-14.5 done
15:00:50 <klotz> 2007-09-12 	open 	http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-forms-minutes.html#action01 done
15:01:03 <klotz> Action 2007-10-03.1 done
15:01:23 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:01:23 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:01:25 <Zakim> +Steven
15:01:38 <klotz> Action 2007-10-10.4 done
15:02:06 <klotz> Action 2007-10-31.1 done
15:03:52 <John_Boyer> Done Action 2007-10-31.1
15:04:11 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
15:04:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
15:04:16 <John_Boyer> Done Action 2007-10-24.5
15:05:12 <Zakim> +??P30
15:05:15 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
15:05:17 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
15:05:40 <ebruchez> Done too: 2007-10-24.2, 	http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-forms-minutes.html#action03, http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-forms-minutes.html#action01, 	http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-forms-minutes.html#action04
15:06:27 <ebruchez> and Action 2007-05-16.4, as I think we had solved the event order issue
15:12:01 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/att-0026/actions-2008-03-05.html#landwehrdavid
15:12:34 <John_Boyer> David's list
15:12:38 <John_Boyer> Remove Action 2007-03-07.3
15:13:38 <John_Boyer> Remove Action 2006-07-5.8  because known issue now that is moved to 2.0 to architect a new solution based on smarter controls
15:14:15 <John_Boyer> Remove Action 2006-07-5.6 because John already did the work and added to 1.1
15:14:53 <John_Boyer> Remove Action 2006-01-31.3 because future feature for 2.0
15:15:39 <John_Boyer> Remove Action 2005-09-08.15 because done in 1.1 (if and while on actions)
15:27:26 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0055.html
15:37:13 <nick> zakim, unmute me
15:37:13 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
15:38:18 <John_Boyer> <select1 name="X"  readonly="some/expression"
15:38:35 <John_Boyer> <readonly context=".." value="some/expression"/>
15:38:37 <nick> zakim, mute me
15:38:37 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:39:36 <nick> <select1 ref="X" readonly=".."> should become <readonly value=".."/>
15:39:47 <nick> _NO_ context=".."
15:39:59 <nick> ack me
15:41:42 <markbirbeck> <output id="bonusmsg" value="$BonusMsg" relevant="$Subtotal &gt; 100" />
15:42:44 <markbirbeck> <output id="bonusmsg" value="$BonusMsg" relevant="Subtotal &gt; 100" />
15:45:01 <markbirbeck> <input name="GiftMsg" relevant="$Gift = true()" />
15:45:29 <markbirbeck> <input name="GiftMsg" relevant="Gift = true()" />
15:45:48 <John_Boyer> <input name"Gift"> ...
15:46:01 <nick> and you should use <input ref="GiftMsg" relevant="../Gift = true()" />
15:47:39 <nick> if you have <input name="Gift" /> or <bind nodeset="GiftMsg"/>
15:50:03 <John_Boyer> <group name="X"><input name="Gift">...</group>
15:50:35 <John_Boyer> <input name="GiftMsg" relevant="boolean-from-string($Gift)">...
15:51:19 <John_Boyer> <input name="GiftMsg" relevant="boolean-from-string(X/Gift)">...
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16:00:32 <Steven> I had Mark S on the line, and he said that our call clashes with the Oasis one, but he will be back soon (OoM 1 month)
16:01:03 <John_Boyer> <group ref="../.."> <output name="LineTotal" calculate="$something"
16:02:12 <John_Boyer> Proposal: use of name attribute implies the following
16:02:35 <John_Boyer> 1) create an instance node at "current" level of XML corresponding to UI structure
16:03:17 <John_Boyer> 2) create bind with id same as the name
16:04:48 <John_Boyer> 3) move all MIP attributes from named UI control to child elements of bind with context=".."
16:07:22 <unl> ack me
16:08:21 <nick> I think we need to be able to mix it
16:08:36 <nick> I agree with Mark
16:09:22 <nick> In my opinion I would also call it a failure if you can mix it
16:09:49 <John_Boyer> Nick, Do you mean failure if you *cannot* mix it?
16:10:05 <nick> sorry yes, if you can __not__
16:10:29 <nick> but I think what we now have, works
16:14:39 <nick> <group ref="../.."> <output ref="LineTotal" calculate="$something"/> should work if you provided your instance data, if we decide that lazy authoring doesn't allows ".." (like it is today)
16:14:49 <John_Boyer> sure
16:17:20 <nick> ref="a[1]" and ref="a[2]" but supporting lazy authoring with predicates is nearly impossible (if you want to support more then only position()= <constant>
16:17:54 <ebruchez> I have to go, talk to you next week
16:18:02 <John_Boyer> bye, Erik
16:18:02 <unl> zakim, mute me
16:18:02 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
16:18:03 <Zakim> -ebruchez
16:19:24 <John_Boyer> 4) the UI control is converted from name attr to having a ref attr
16:19:30 <John_Boyer> s/ref/bind
16:20:39 <John_Boyer> <output bind="LineTotal" ...>
16:20:53 <John_Boyer> <output bind="LineTotal" calculate="...."
16:21:35 <John_Boyer> <output name="blah" relevant="$X"
16:22:11 <John_Boyer> $X is still interpreted in context of the output even when you do this
16:23:00 <John_Boyer> <output bind="blah" relevant="$X"
16:23:14 <markbirbeck> <output ref="x" relevant="boolean-from-string(../blah)" />
16:23:16 <John_Boyer> So if MIP attributes stay on the controls, then they can't be evaluated in context of UI binding
16:23:37 <klotz> i have to go in 2 minutes.
16:23:44 <John_Boyer> ok
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16:24:55 <unl_> ack me
16:25:39 <klotz> calculate sounds like xsl:variable
16:26:43 <John_Boyer> If there are alternate proposals to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0055.html, then we need to get them out there so we can settle the syntax and semantics.
16:27:46 <Zakim> -wellsk
16:27:50 <SusanB> ok, bye
16:27:51 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
16:27:53 <Zakim> -Steven
16:27:54 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
16:27:54 <Zakim> -Rafael
16:27:54 <Zakim> -unl
16:27:55 <nick> bye, it was a good call
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16:28:01 <Zakim> -Susan_Borgrink
16:28:01 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
16:28:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Nick_van_den_Bleeken, ebruchez, +1.919.254.aaaa, John_Boyer, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Rafael, Susan_Borgrink, unl, Steven, markbirbeck
16:28:18 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
16:28:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/19-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:28:24 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
16:28:24 <RRSAgent> I see no action items