IRC log of tsdtf on 2008-03-18

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13:25:19 [Christophe]

Zakim, this will be tsdtf

13:25:19 [Zakim]

ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

13:25:38 [Christophe]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Mar/0008.html

13:25:56 [Christophe]

Meeting: TSD TF

13:26:12 [Christophe]

Chair: CarlosV, Christophe

13:26:29 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Next steps for current repository content

13:26:44 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Review of test samples

13:26:56 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Naming convention and test suite ID in metadata

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13:31:49 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM has now started

13:31:56 [Zakim]

+??P9

13:31:57 [shadi]

zakim, code?

13:31:57 [Zakim]

the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi

13:32:11 [Christophe]

zakim, ??p9 is Christophe_Strobbe

13:32:11 [Zakim]

+Christophe_Strobbe; got it

13:32:13 [Zakim]

+Shadi

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+Cooper

13:34:51 [Christophe]

Regrets+ CarlosV

13:35:25 [Zakim]

+Carlos_Iglesias

13:37:17 [MichaelC]

scribe: MichaelC

13:37:27 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 1

13:37:27 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Next steps for current repository content" taken up [from Christophe]

13:39:05 [MichaelC]

cs: checking in on status from last meeting

13:39:28 [MichaelC]

... have there been diffs from last WCAG draft to current one?

13:40:11 [MichaelC]

mc: haven't done anything, waiting to offer assistance

13:40:43 [MichaelC]

cs: decision about updating test cases was dependent on that

13:42:33 [MichaelC]

mc: can work with someone

13:42:48 [MichaelC]

... straightforward diff off XML might not give you just what you need

13:43:05 [MichaelC]

... should do a "strategic" diff

13:43:26 [MichaelC]

saz: suggest action remain with BenToWeb person as they'll know what's needed

13:45:47 [MichaelC]

mc: will send source files to Carlos

13:47:09 [MichaelC]

cs: need to know which SC have changed substantively, and then need to estimate how much time needed to update test samples

13:48:07 [MichaelC]

saz: estimate how much needs to change, and understand which requirements seem to be stable (focus on them first)

13:49:17 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 2

13:49:17 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Review of test samples" taken up [from Christophe]

13:50:03 [MichaelC]

cs: Tim's review of test samples http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jan/0009.html

13:50:14 [MichaelC]

... further discussion in previous calls and on list

13:51:19 [MichaelC]

saz: naming and ID for next agendum

13:52:08 [MichaelC]

cs: question about versioning

13:53:01 [MichaelC]

mc: is an issue, though perhaps now not so much since significant changes not expected unless WCAG bounces back to WD again

13:53:43 [MichaelC]

saz: ID does indirectly indicate the version

13:53:54 [MichaelC]

cs: techniques also have dated references

13:54:57 [MichaelC]

saz: does date appear in HTML view generated from metadata of tests?

13:55:27 [MichaelC]

cs: yes for Bentoweb tests, but not sure for TCDL

13:55:52 [MichaelC]

saz: implementing that would help in the future

13:56:41 [Christophe]

http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/tsdtf/xhtml/index.html

13:57:43 [shadi]

http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/tsdtf/xhtml/metadata/sc1.1.1_l1_002.html

13:59:16 [MichaelC]

saz: looking at examples above, finding references to dated versions

13:59:58 [MichaelC]

... maybe we need date to be visible, however

14:03:02 [MichaelC]

mc: if we have test samples against several dated versions would be important, otherwise not

14:03:29 [MichaelC]

saz: if WCAG opens techniques documents, could cause date versions to become relevant

14:05:09 [MichaelC]

mc: both latest version and dated version will be available, we can use which we want

14:05:37 [MichaelC]

... suggest we use dated version

14:05:53 [MichaelC]

... and WCAG process for updating techniques would need to include a trigger to review test case(s)

14:05:53 [Zakim]

+Tim_Boland

14:08:05 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL#structure

14:08:28 [MichaelC]

saz: this case might affect our directory structure and naming conventions

14:08:36 [shadi]

tests/xhtml/metadata

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tests/20070102/xhtml/metadata

14:09:25 [MichaelC]

saz: suggest adding datespace to the repository structure, as shown above

14:09:37 [MichaelC]

cs: is it necessary? hard to separate versions

14:13:31 [MichaelC]

cs: wonder about extracting SC titles from an external doc

14:13:36 [MichaelC]

mc: suggest using WCAG source itself

14:13:41 [MichaelC]

cs: need to use back-dated versions sometimes

14:13:54 [MichaelC]

mc: can pull them out of CVS and run locally

14:15:48 [MichaelC]

... it's possible to get a URL to a particular CVS version as well, though that might be Team only feature

14:15:55 [MichaelC]

... can provide dated version on demand

14:16:12 [MichaelC]

s/can/Michael can

14:17:06 [MichaelC]

tb: next issue - information about user environment needed to execute test

14:19:02 [MichaelC]

mc: prefer just to identify the technology used, and you assume you have software that supports it

14:19:19 [MichaelC]

... could be chicken-and-egg with respect to "accessibility supported"

14:19:44 [MichaelC]

tb: satisfied as long as user has information needed to construct the test environment

14:20:52 [MichaelC]

mc: it should be case that users can find accessibility support information if needed

14:21:13 [MichaelC]

... would only need to check if there was a problem executing test in a given UA

14:22:22 [MichaelC]

cs: we assume user has environment needed to execute tests, is that ok?

14:23:09 [MichaelC]

tb: just want user to be able to find what they need

14:23:23 [MichaelC]

mc: a MIME type should be sufficient, and people able to run tests should know info needed

14:24:31 [Christophe]

http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/tsdtf/xhtml/metadata/sc1.2.1_l1_001.html

14:25:17 [MichaelC]

cs: do see in above example, video relied on but video format not listed in metadata

14:25:29 [MichaelC]

... should add that info

14:25:57 [MichaelC]

saz: we're focusing on developing test samples based on test procedures for techniques

14:26:40 [MichaelC]

... some issues might be relevant, e.g., <embed>, but that info should be in test procedure

14:28:15 [MichaelC]

... we should be careful not to interpret in a way that adds restrictions

14:29:18 [MichaelC]

mc: suggest adding MIME type(s) to test case metadata should be sufficient

14:29:26 [MichaelC]

<agreement>

14:30:44 [MichaelC]

saz: updated TCDL document http://www.w3.org/mid/47DEA604.70100@w3.org, please let me know if comments

14:30:51 [Zakim]

-Tim_Boland

14:30:53 [Zakim]

-Cooper

14:30:53 [Zakim]

-Shadi

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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-Carlos_Iglesias

14:30:57 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM has ended

14:30:58 [Zakim]

Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, Shadi, Cooper, Carlos_Iglesias, Tim_Boland

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zakim, bye

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