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14:48:59 <csma> zakim, this will be rif
14:48:59 <Zakim> ok, csma; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
14:49:20 <csma> Meeting: RIF telecon March 18 2008
14:49:38 <csma> Chair: Christian de Sainte Marie
14:49:46 <csma> Scribe: Igor Mozetic
14:50:04 <csma> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Mar/0091.html
14:50:35 <csma> Regrets: PaulVincent LeoraMorgenstern
14:51:38 <csma> csma has changed the topic to: 18 March RIF telecon agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Mar/0091.html
14:51:48 <csma> zakim, list agenda
14:51:48 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:52:22 <csma> agenda+ Admin
14:52:37 <csma> agenda+ F2F10
14:52:54 <csma> agenda+ Action review
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14:53:34 <csma> agenda+ FLD/BLD grammar
14:53:53 <csma> agenda+ XML syntax
14:54:12 <csma> agenda+ publication plan
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14:58:07 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
14:58:16 <Zakim> +??P18
14:58:30 <IgorMozetic> zakim, ??P18 is me
14:58:30 <Zakim> +IgorMozetic; got it
14:59:08 <csma> scribenick: IgorMozetic
14:59:20 <csma> zakim, list agenda
14:59:22 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
14:59:24 <Zakim> 1. Admin [from csma]
14:59:26 <Zakim> 2. F2F10 [from csma]
14:59:28 <Zakim> 3. Action review [from csma]
14:59:30 <Zakim> 4. FLD/BLD grammar [from csma]
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14:59:32 <Zakim> 5. XML syntax [from csma]
14:59:34 <Zakim> 6. publication plan [from csma]
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14:59:48 <Zakim> -IgorMozetic
14:59:50 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
14:59:52 <Zakim> Attendees were IgorMozetic
15:00:10 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
15:00:12 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
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15:00:28 <Zakim> +??P18
15:00:28 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me
15:00:32 <Zakim> -??P18
15:00:36 <Zakim> +??P18
15:00:38 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
15:00:44 <Zakim> +Mark_Proctor
15:00:46 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
15:00:52 <Zakim> -??P18
15:00:58 <Zakim> -Mark_Proctor
15:01:00 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
15:01:04 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
15:01:06 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
15:01:10 <Zakim> + +6928aaaa
15:01:14 <Zakim> +Sandro
15:01:20 <csma> zakim, aaaa is me
15:01:30 <Zakim> + +49.351.463.4.aabb
15:01:32 <Zakim> +csma; got it
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15:01:39 <AdrianP> Zakim, aabb is me
15:01:42 <Zakim> +Mark_Proctor
15:01:44 <Zakim> +??P30
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15:01:50 <IgorMozetic> zakim, ??P30
15:01:54 <Zakim> +AdrianP; got it
15:01:55 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:01 <IgorMozetic> zakim, ??P30 is me
15:02:05 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:02:08 <Zakim> + +43.158.801.1aacc
15:02:10 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P30', IgorMozetic
15:02:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Harold, Mike_Dean, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), csma, Sandro, AdrianP, Mark_Proctor, ??P30, +43.158.801.1aacc
15:02:30 <Zakim> +IgorMozetic; got it
15:02:32 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:02:54 <Zakim> +??P57
15:03:02 <Zakim> +Dave_Reynolds (was ??P57)
15:03:22 <Zakim> +Stella_Mitchell
15:03:47 <csma> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from csma]
15:04:02 <Zakim> -AdrianP
15:04:15 <csma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Mar/att-0064/04-Mar-2008-rif-minutes.htm
15:04:33 <csma> PROPOSED: accept minutes of March 4 telecon
15:04:52 <IgorMozetic> RESOLVED: accepted minutes of March 4 telecom
15:05:04 <csma> PROPOSED: accept minutes of March 11 telecon
15:05:08 <Zakim> + +1.914.784.aadd
15:05:16 <ChrisW> zakim, aadd is me
15:05:16 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
15:05:18 <csma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Mar/att-0072/rif-minutes-11-March-2008.html
15:05:26 <IgorMozetic> RESOLVED: accepted minutes of March 11 telecon
15:05:59 <csma> next agendum
15:06:17 <IgorMozetic> no update on F2F10
15:06:30 <csma> next agendum
15:06:34 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
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15:07:00 <ChrisW> zakim, close item 2
15:07:00 <Zakim> agendum 2, F2F10, closed
15:07:02 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:07:04 <Zakim> 3. Action review [from csma]
15:07:09 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:07:10 <csma> next agendum
15:07:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Action review" taken up [from csma]
15:07:27 <Zakim> + +49.351.463.4.aaee
15:07:38 <Adrian_P> Zakim, aaee is me
15:07:40 <Zakim> +Adrian_P; got it
15:20:42 <IgorMozetic> zakim, close item 3
15:20:43 <Zakim> agendum 3, Action review, closed
15:20:44 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:20:45 <Zakim> 4. FLD/BLD grammar [from csma]
15:20:59 <IgorMozetic> zakim, next item
15:20:59 <Zakim> agendum 4. "FLD/BLD grammar" taken up [from csma]
15:22:33 <Adrian_P> Zakim, mute me
15:22:33 <Zakim> Adrian_P should now be muted
15:22:43 <IgorMozetic> josb: no news on OWL+RIF task force
15:24:39 <IgorMozetic> Harold: discuss UNITERM
15:25:21 <IgorMozetic> Harold: UNITERM is split in functions and predicates
15:26:15 <IgorMozetic> Harold: since nobody supported UNITERMs, they were taken out of docs
15:27:05 <Adrian_P> Expression
15:27:08 <josb> q+
15:27:19 <csma> ack josb
15:27:44 <IgorMozetic> josb: expresses concern over the term 'expression'
15:28:14 <IgorMozetic> Harold: Expression is only function expression
15:28:25 <sandro> q+
15:28:35 <markproctor> how do I get on the speaker queue?
15:28:39 <IgorMozetic> josb: what about predicate expression?
15:28:41 <sandro> type "q+" markproctor 
15:28:51 <markproctor> q+ markproctor
15:29:01 <csma> ack sandro
15:29:51 <IgorMozetic> sandro: let's wait for feedback and mark issues under discussion
15:29:54 <csma> ack markp
15:31:41 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
15:31:49 <Harold> Mark, we did have a neutral word for both predicate and function applications: Uniterms. But no one came to their support.
15:32:03 <Harold> So we again split them into Atoms and Expressions.
15:32:14 <Hassan> Not sure I understand the argument (!) about arities,,, 
15:32:18 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
15:32:39 <Adrian_P> Boolean functions
15:33:10 <IgorMozetic> csma: let's keep separation between functions and predicates
15:33:12 <josb> q+
15:33:28 <markproctor> harold: yes it does seem a bit more a mess around the definitions and how different systems seem the differently.
15:33:39 <markproctor> in the PR world it's not something I'm comfortable with
15:33:40 <IgorMozetic> csma: let's keep the naming and mark it as 'under discussion'
15:33:46 <markproctor> and would like to see resolved
15:33:48 <csma> ack jos
15:33:59 <sandro> PROPOSED: Open an issue on terminology around terms/functions/predicates and include an editorial comment in WD2 asking for feedback.
15:34:41 <sandro> PROPOSED: Open an issue on terminology around terms/functions/predicates and include an editorial comment in WD2 asking for feedback, but keep "atom" and "expr" for this draft.
15:35:04 <sandro> +1
15:35:12 <josb> +1
15:35:20 <sandro> RESOLVED: Open an issue on terminology around terms/functions/predicates and include an editorial comment in WD2 asking for feedback, but keep "atom" and "expr" for this draft.
15:35:32 <Harold> I can hear someone typing through their mic.
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15:35:52 <sandro> ACTION: cdesaint to open the issue on terminology around terms/functions
15:35:52 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-447 - Open the issue on terminology around terms/functions [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2008-03-25].
15:36:16 <Adrian_P> definitions are e.g. given in the book  about logic programming of Lloyd
15:36:32 <IgorMozetic> csma: next issue logic terms vs. external calls
15:37:02 <IgorMozetic> harold: external call cannot be in the head
15:37:17 <IgorMozetic> harold: atomic can be in the head
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15:38:28 <IgorMozetic> csma: next issue: lists
15:39:07 <IgorMozetic> harold: lists are not on the critical path
15:39:50 <IgorMozetic> csma: PR handle lists as objects with specific builtins
15:39:51 <Adrian_P> in production rules you have collections of objects
15:40:05 <Adrian_P> an define patterns on top of the collections
15:40:26 <csma> q?
15:40:48 <markproctor> personally I like the pair idea
15:40:57 <IgorMozetic> harold: many want standardized syntactic sugar for lists
15:41:57 <Adrian_P> as far as I remember we discussed lists as not being on critical path  in F2F8
15:42:04 <Adrian_P> as well as modules 
15:42:46 <IgorMozetic> csma: not having listst in WD2
15:43:05 <IgorMozetic> csma: next issue: nexted Forall
15:43:18 <IgorMozetic> s/nexted/nested/
15:44:11 <Hassan> q+
15:44:21 <csma> ack hassan
15:44:48 <IgorMozetic> hassan: logical Forall is not the same as in BRs
15:45:10 <IgorMozetic> csma: here we talk about BLD
15:45:53 <IgorMozetic> csma: nested Forall should not be allowed in BLD, but we need them in FLD
15:46:10 <Harold> q+
15:46:15 <GaryHallmark> I think (Forall ?X ?Y ...) is the same as (Forall ?X (Forall ?Y ...))
15:46:49 <Harold> Gary, I agree.
15:46:51 <csma> ack harold
15:47:03 <markproctor> in PR forall is a logical element. It means when a pattern is true for all matching objects.
15:47:30 <markproctor> forall to iterate the entire WM, has little value for PR systems.
15:48:06 <csma> q?
15:48:09 <GaryHallmark> -1
15:48:11 <IgorMozetic> csma: Forall is needed when quantifiers are dirrefent
15:48:20 <GaryHallmark> ... for nested forall
15:48:59 <Adrian_P> we have no scoping yet. So nested Forall can be flattened and is not really needed
15:49:09 <IgorMozetic> sandro: wonders about roundtripping, why to change the nesting?
15:49:39 <GaryHallmark> nesting is useful when alternating quantifiers in FOL
15:50:54 <sandro> PROPOSED: remove nested Foralls for WD2.     Maybe we'll get some use case some day for putting them back in.
15:51:03 <IgorMozetic> PROPOSED: remove nested Forall (nested variable declarations) from BLD
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15:51:09 <sandro> PROPOSED: remove nested Foralls for BLD WD2.     Maybe we'll get some use case some day for putting them back in.
15:51:34 <csma> q?
15:51:36 <GaryHallmark> s/(Forall/Forall(/g
15:51:40 <josb> +1
15:51:45 <IgorMozetic> no objections
15:51:50 <GaryHallmark> +1
15:51:51 <sandro> RESOLVED: remove nested Foralls for BLD WD2.     Maybe we'll get some use case some day for putting them back in.
15:52:13 <IgorMozetic> csma: last issue: Metadata
15:53:03 <IgorMozetic> harold: currently metadata not in BLD, proposal by Thur.
15:53:55 <IgorMozetic> harold: natural attachment point for Metadata if Forall tag
15:54:07 <josb> q+
15:54:13 <IgorMozetic> s/if F/is F/
15:54:57 <josb> q-
15:55:08 <IgorMozetic> harold: will add metadata by the next telecon
15:55:38 <sandro> ACTION: cdesaint put metadata on agenda for next telecon
15:55:38 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-448 - Put metadata on agenda for next telecon [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2008-03-25].
15:56:14 <csma> q?
15:56:33 <IgorMozetic> next agendum
15:57:20 <IgorMozetic> csma: issues: striping
15:57:43 <IgorMozetic> s/striping/stripping/
15:58:16 <josb> q+
15:58:18 <IgorMozetic> csma: slots are not fully stripped
15:58:34 <csma> ack josb
15:59:05 <IgorMozetic> josb: RIF XML syntaxt is horribly verbose
15:59:29 <sandro> q?
15:59:31 <markproctor> the verbosity applies to the entire RIF
15:59:33 <Harold> You keep the 'object model' in the XML syntax.
15:59:41 <markproctor> you are developing an XML framework that is beyond most engineers
15:59:48 <markproctor> it will not be human readable
15:59:58 <markproctor> and thus only specialists can maintain systems that use the XML you create
16:00:06 <Harold> I responded to [11]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Mar/0080.html
16:00:21 <IgorMozetic> csma: full stripping makes derivation of XML syntax easy
16:00:38 <IgorMozetic> josb: but not the reading of XML
16:01:00 <Harold> We could have OPTIONAL 'strip-skipping' in certain cases,
16:01:10 <Adrian_P> introducing Atom and Expr instead of Uniterm means also making RIF more verbose
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16:01:19 <Harold> as Sandro discusses about 5 years ago in a web page.
16:01:20 <csma> q?
16:01:22 <Zakim> +??P13
16:01:23 <GaryHallmark> I would prefer spending effort on readability on the presentation syntax
16:02:08 <IgorMozetic> harold: we could allow both alternatives, eg, arg
16:02:56 <josb> Gary, I agree that we should make the presentation syntax readable, but we need to keep in mind that also people will be working with the XML syntax.
16:02:59 <Adrian_P> from F2F9: RESOLVED: We keep named arguments, explaining in BLD that: A RIF consumer that does not support named arguments can implement them, with relative ease, by treating them as positional arguments (of a different predicate, formed in a stable but implementation-dependent way) in the lexical order of the argument names. (Closing ISSUE-44).
16:03:05 <IgorMozetic> csma: normative syntaxt should be fully stripped, but falback doesn't be
16:03:21 <IgorMozetic> harold: one shouldn't read the XML
16:03:38 <IgorMozetic> s/harold/gary/
16:03:41 <Hassan> +1 with Gary
16:03:50 <AxelPolleres> +1 to Gary, readable pres syntax pleeease
16:03:58 <IgorMozetic> gary: prefers fully stripped syntax
16:04:02 <sandro> q?
16:05:14 <Harold> The fully striped <Atom><op>p</op><arg>abc</arg><arg>efg</arg></Atom> could be optionally stripe-skipped to <Atom>p abc efg</Atom>.
16:05:35 <csma> 0Adrian, why do you mention that resolution from F2F9?
16:06:00 <josb> q+
16:06:56 <Harold> Basically, our current user slot names (keys) are fine;
16:06:56 <Harold> they maintain full striping on the user level, writing it as
16:06:56 <Harold> <slot>mykey myfiller</slot>
16:06:56 <Harold> because
16:06:56 <Harold> <slot name="mykey">myfiller</slot>
16:06:57 <Harold> doesn't XML-technically allow markup such as F-logic's
16:06:59 <Harold> <Var>Someslotname</Var> and <Expr>...method...</Expr>
16:07:01 <Harold> instead of the constant mykey,
16:07:03 <Harold> while
16:07:05 <Harold> <mykey>myfiller</mykey>
16:07:07 <Harold> would be "non-generic" markup (http://www.ai.sri.com/pkarp/xol/xol.html).
16:08:15 <csma> ack josb
16:08:17 <IgorMozetic> csma: since args are already ordered, this applies to slots and values as well
16:08:59 <sandro> LOL :-)
16:09:00 <IgorMozetic> josb: why use abbreviations for tags if we don't care about the sice of XML?
16:09:12 <IgorMozetic> s/sice/size/
16:09:38 <Hassan> You mean size doesn't matter??? ;-)
16:09:44 <IgorMozetic> csma: refers to resolution on naming conventions, Sep.11 2007
16:09:44 <csma> RESOLVED: we will have naming conventions; people edit the page to propose theirs (with explanation and reasons for any differences from what's already on page)
16:10:03 <csma> (from telecon setp 11 07)
16:10:06 <GaryHallmark> we could drop integers and just use 0, S0, SS0, etc
16:11:38 <Adrian_P> We had a discussion about camel case and long construct names
16:11:38 <IgorMozetic> josb: open an issue regarding implementation of the above resolution
16:12:28 <sandro> ACTION: cdesaint open an issue on naming of XML element
16:12:28 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-449 - Open an issue on naming of XML element [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2008-03-25].
16:12:39 <sandro> (elementS)
16:12:56 <csma> q?
16:13:43 <josb> q+
16:13:52 <csma> ack jos
16:13:54 <IgorMozetic> csma: issue: stripping
16:15:15 <sandro> csma: In NAU the key could be a constant, but in frames, they keys can be variables, etc.
16:16:14 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Normative XML syntnax for RIF dialects will be full-striped
16:16:30 <sandro> +1 with a sigh
16:16:33 <GaryHallmark> we could spend a lot of time debating what stripes to remove...
16:16:48 <Hassan> 0 (to early to decide)
16:16:50 <josb> -0.5
16:16:55 <IgorMozetic> +0.5
16:16:56 <AxelPolleres> 0
16:17:02 <DaveReynolds> +0.5
16:17:06 <GaryHallmark> +.839
16:17:09 <StellaMitchell> +1
16:17:13 <Harold> -0 (not as the only option: see optional stripe-skipping above)
16:17:17 <Adrian_P> 0 ( to early to decide, there are exception sometimes useful)
16:17:23 <mdean> +0.5
16:17:35 <markproctor> yeah still thinking about it :)
16:17:47 <markproctor> I won't know really
16:17:54 <markproctor> until I see how you handle types
16:18:01 <markproctor> personally I like the pair idea
16:18:16 <IgorMozetic> sandro: change the XML for WD2 to be fully striped
16:18:24 <josb> The term "slot" is used nowhere in the BLD document except for the XML syntax.  Instead of "slot", "argument" should be used, as in the BLD syntax description.
16:18:36 <markproctor> I would say this would be subject to agreement on how typing is handled.
16:18:37 <sandro> Harold: we'd need to be more precise about what fully-striped means.
16:18:38 <Adrian_P> agree with Mark, example name - value pairs
16:19:03 <markproctor> slots or named arguments - prefer slots.
16:19:07 <markproctor> as it's not always an argument
16:19:20 <sandro> csma: I think we could pass this resulution at a future telecon
16:19:23 <IgorMozetic> csma: issue: XML syntaxt for BLD
16:19:33 <markproctor> 0 ( to early to decide, need to see how typing is handled)
16:19:43 <sandro> PROPOSED: XML Syntax of BLD in WD2 before fully striped -- modify frames and named argument uniterms.
16:19:44 <Harold> -1
16:19:58 <sandro> PROPOSED: XML Syntax of BLD in WD2 be fully striped -- modify frames and named argument uniterms.
16:20:16 <sandro> Harold: In my definition it already is.
16:20:42 <IgorMozetic> harold: my definition of fully striped is different
16:21:00 <sandro> We can see these examples all spelled out in my e-mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Mar/0077.html
16:22:03 <csma> <Frame><slotKey>TERM</slotKey><slotValue>TERM</slotValue></Frame>
16:22:29 <markproctor> ok change of mind, thought about it more.
16:22:31 <markproctor> -1
16:23:03 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
16:23:04 <sandro> Ciao, DaveReynolds 
16:24:53 <Adrian_P> to add a new role tag for a slot seems to be superficial
16:24:57 <IgorMozetic> csma: move that discussion to future
16:25:19 <sandro> this is a VERY superficial issue, Adrian_P 
16:25:21 <csma> <Frame>    <!-- Basic form -->
16:25:21 <csma>        <object> TERM</object>
16:25:21 <csma>        <slotKey> Const </slotKey>
16:25:21 <csma>        <slotValue> TERM </slotValue>
16:25:21 <csma>     </Frame>
16:25:35 <Zakim> -ChrisW
16:25:47 <markproctor> just feel that there re too many unknowns
16:25:48 <csma> q?
16:25:48 <markproctor> yeah
16:25:55 <markproctor> I'd like to see more use cases
16:25:57 <Harold> You mean <slot>k f</slot> should be expanded to <slot><key>k</key><filler>f</filler></slot>?
16:26:42 <sandro> Harold, Christian wants my option 2.  You're suggesting my option 3.
16:26:46 <IgorMozetic> csma: XML schema in BLD is not alignd with BNF
16:27:25 <IgorMozetic> csma: several updates in WD2 are needed
16:28:06 <IgorMozetic> csma: are there any constraints on Var?
16:28:38 <markproctor> btw the problem on verbosity. the problem with key/value pair represetation is the least of your worries. compared to the rest of the verbosity.
16:29:15 <AxelPolleres> +1 ok for me ta add 5min
16:29:22 <sandro> +1 extend
16:29:23 <josb> +1
16:29:28 <IgorMozetic> next addendum
16:29:38 <Adrian_P> Zakim, unmute me
16:29:38 <Zakim> Adrian_P should no longer be muted
16:29:39 <IgorMozetic> extend the meeting for 5 min
16:30:14 <IgorMozetic> Publication plan: SWC
16:30:24 <sandro> josb: I need BLD syntax+semantics frozen before I can update swc.
16:31:27 <IgorMozetic> csma: cannot freeze SWC today
16:31:43 <AxelPolleres> Can this made dependent on confrimation by email from michael?
16:32:39 <IgorMozetic> csma: when BLD syntax+semantics is frozen, SWC can be frozen in two days
16:32:49 <IgorMozetic> s/csma/josb/
16:33:12 <IgorMozetic> adrian: we can freeze UCR now
16:33:25 <sandro> ACTION: Sandro make frozen version of UCR.
16:33:26 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-450 - Make frozen version of UCR. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-03-25].
16:33:48 <IgorMozetic> two reviewers of UCR:
16:33:58 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:33:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Harold, Mike_Dean, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), csma, Sandro, Mark_Proctor, IgorMozetic, josb, Stella_Mitchell, Adrian_P, Gary_Hallmark, AxelPolleres (muted)
16:34:07 <sandro> zakim, pick a victim
16:34:07 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Gary_Hallmark
16:34:50 <sandro> ACTION: GaryHallmark review UCR 
16:34:50 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - GaryHallmark
16:34:51 <josb> have to go
16:34:53 <josb> bye
16:34:54 <sandro> ACTION: Gary review UCR 
16:34:54 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-451 - Review UCR  [on Gary Hallmark - due 2008-03-25].
16:34:55 <IgorMozetic> Gary: agrees to review UCR by next telecon
16:35:05 <csma> zakim, pick a victim
16:35:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Gary_Hallmark
16:35:12 <sandro> heh
16:35:19 <csma> zakim, pick a victim
16:35:19 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose josb
16:35:21 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
16:35:25 <Zakim> -josb
16:35:31 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gary_Hallmark (20%), csma (38%)
16:35:41 <csma> zakim, pick a victim
16:35:41 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose IgorMozetic
16:36:23 <sandro> ACTION: Igor review UCR -- due 2008-0401
16:36:23 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-452 - Review UCR -- due 2008-0401 [on Igor Mozetic - due 2008-03-25].
16:36:41 <sandro> thanks
16:36:43 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
16:36:49 <Zakim> -Stella_Mitchell
16:36:50 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:36:50 <Zakim> -Harold
16:36:51 <Adrian_P> Gary and Igor please send comments on UCR to David and me
16:36:53 <Adrian_P> thanks
16:36:55 <Adrian_P> bye
16:36:58 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
16:37:04 <csma> rrsagent, make minutes
16:37:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-rif-minutes.html csma
16:37:06 <Zakim> -Adrian_P
16:37:13 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
16:37:28 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public
16:38:06 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees
16:38:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Mike_Dean, Mark_Proctor, Harold, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, +6928aaaa, Sandro, +49.351.463.4.aabb, csma, AdrianP, +43.158.801.1aacc, IgorMozetic,
16:38:10 <Zakim> ... Dave_Reynolds, josb, Stella_Mitchell, +1.914.784.aadd, ChrisW, Gary_Hallmark, +49.351.463.4.aaee, Adrian_P, AxelPolleres
16:38:22 <csma> rrsagent, make minutes
16:38:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-rif-minutes.html csma
16:40:12 <Zakim> -IgorMozetic
16:44:43 <Zakim> -Mark_Proctor
16:44:56 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:44:58 <Zakim> -csma
16:45:00 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
16:45:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Mike_Dean, Mark_Proctor, Harold, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, +6928aaaa, Sandro, +49.351.463.4.aabb, csma, AdrianP, +43.158.801.1aacc, IgorMozetic, Dave_Reynolds, josb,
16:45:03 <Zakim> ... Stella_Mitchell, +1.914.784.aadd, ChrisW, Gary_Hallmark, +49.351.463.4.aaee, Adrian_P, AxelPolleres
16:54:50 <sandro> ACTION: chris, look, Tracker has nicknames now!
16:54:50 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - chris,
16:55:00 <sandro> ACTION: chris notice that Tracker has nicknames now!
16:55:01 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - chris
16:55:12 <sandro> ACTION: csma notice that Tracker has nicknames now!
16:55:12 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - csma
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