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14:47:31 <Steven> zakim, this will be rdfa
14:47:31 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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14:47:42 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
14:47:55 <Steven> :-)
14:48:12 <Steven> Shall I fill in the initial details since I've done it so often?
14:48:39 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)
14:48:39 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
14:48:56 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2008-03-13, 15:00 UTC
14:49:08 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0165.html
14:49:39 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes previous 2008-03-06
14:50:02 <Steven> good man
14:50:40 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0165
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14:51:33 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas
14:51:38 <mhausenblas> Chair: Ben
14:51:43 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
14:51:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:51:54 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public 
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14:53:36 <mhausenblas> :)
14:53:46 <mhausenblas> good to 'see' you again, Ralph
14:53:54 <Ralph> you too, Michael!
14:54:01 <mhausenblas> btw, people, did I tell you about irs?
14:54:03 <mhausenblas> http://143.224.254.32/irs/
14:54:12 <mhausenblas> kinda RDFa generator for linked-data
14:54:19 <Ralph> you've made it public no :)
14:54:24 <Ralph> s/no/now/
14:54:44 <mhausenblas> sure, np. I already did yesterday on #swig ;)
14:54:49 <Ralph> :)
14:55:16 <Ralph> "results in XHTML+RDFa ..." ! :)
14:55:26 <Steven> and on teh wiki if I'm not mistaken
14:55:47 <mhausenblas> true, Steven-eagle-eye ;)
14:58:40 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
14:58:46 <Zakim> +Ralph
14:58:48 <Zakim> +??P2
14:58:50 <Zakim> -??P2
14:58:50 <Zakim> +??P2
14:58:57 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P2
14:59:00 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
14:59:10 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
15:00:20 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:00:20 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:00:21 <Zakim> +Steven
15:00:27 <Zakim> + +1.763.767.aaaa
15:00:50 <ShaneM> zakim, aaaa is ShaneM
15:00:50 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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15:06:38 <ShaneM> ben says two more minutes
15:07:03 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
15:07:03 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
15:07:19 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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15:07:55 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
15:07:55 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
15:08:10 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Items
15:08:28 <mhausenblas> Ben: LC ends next Friday
15:08:40 <Steven> q+
15:08:50 <Steven> q-
15:09:02 <mhausenblas> ... if the issues are not fixed, we might need to extend LC period
15:10:26 <mhausenblas> Ralph: There is nothing on the table to make us extend it, however
15:10:31 <Steven> LC period is the time that people can send comments; not the time we need to resolve the issues
15:10:41 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes#ActionSummary
15:10:52 <Steven> we need to resolve all issues before going to CR
15:11:37 <mhausenblas> Shane: All LC comments in tracker?
15:11:46 <Steven> q+
15:11:47 <mhausenblas> Ben: up to last three days: yes
15:12:01 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
15:12:07 <mhausenblas> ack Steven
15:12:42 <mhausenblas> Steven: Schedule correct? Doesn't list CR?
15:13:08 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule to include CR
15:13:19 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to followup with Johannes on his satisfaction with issue 88 resolution [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]
15:13:38 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:13:46 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Mark to summarize issue 97 and 3 options for XMLLiteral to mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
15:13:48 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:13:54 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Mark update editor's draft with issue 89 resolution [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
15:14:08 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:14:57 <mhausenblas> is it http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080103/ ?
15:15:21 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Mark/Shane include issue 89 correction in Changes section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
15:15:30 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:15:37 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
15:15:42 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:15:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'pleaes draft minutes', Ralph.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:15:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
15:15:54 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
15:16:05 <mhausenblas> -- withdraw
15:16:11 <mhausenblas> Ben: Wiki FUP
15:16:17 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
15:16:27 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:16:50 <mhausenblas> Ben: related to ISSUE 97
15:16:58 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
15:17:10 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:17:16 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write a response to Christian Hoertnagl for issue 7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
15:17:30 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:17:54 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
15:17:59 <mhausenblas> -- withdraw
15:18:42 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki
15:18:56 <mhausenblas> Topic: Discussion of @profile/DOCTYPE
15:19:29 <mhausenblas> Ralph:  Heads-up - conversion with Norm Walsh
15:20:00 <mhausenblas> ... TAG may discuss the FYN issue
15:20:14 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28 issue 28 Follow your nose
15:21:19 <mhausenblas> Shane: I proposed a solution (a SHOULD ?)
15:22:02 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0029.html "Re: RDFa test case #1 missing @profile?" [Shance 2008-03-03]
15:22:08 <Ralph> s/Shance/Shane/
15:22:59 <markbirbeck> s/conversion with/conversation with/
15:23:59 <mhausenblas> Ralph: TAG might have objections if not a MUST
15:24:24 <mhausenblas> Mark: I disagree; more flexible solutions are at hand (after reading a lot of minutes)
15:25:15 <mhausenblas> Michael: IMHO the TAG has a clear position on that as well (cf. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments#UsingRDFa )
15:25:16 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Feb/0024.html "Re: Best Practices Issue: RDF Format Discovery" [Ben 2008-02-06]
15:25:31 <markbirbeck> s/more flexible solutions are at hand/there seems to be some sympathy to being flexible, amongst some TAG members/
15:27:05 <Steven> q+
15:27:09 <mhausenblas> Shane: doc, UA, and processing conformance
15:27:16 <mhausenblas> ... in the Syntax
15:27:35 <mhausenblas> ack Steven
15:28:06 <markbirbeck> q+
15:28:19 <Ralph> q+
15:28:34 <mhausenblas> Steven: Validating issues, as well - it is up to consumer to decide
15:28:44 <mhausenblas> ack markbirbeck
15:29:07 <msporny> +1 to Mark's plea to move on to other issues.
15:29:48 <mhausenblas> Mark: We'll see and we are properly prepared with arguments
15:30:24 <ShaneM> Editors draft updated at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080313/
15:31:08 <mhausenblas> ack Ralph
15:32:48 <mhausenblas> Topic: Test Cases
15:33:30 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0127.html
15:35:55 <mhausenblas> Michael: RDFa TC results; Manu to integrate the generalised EARL generator for the RDFa IR
15:36:35 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness
15:37:09 <mhausenblas> Ben: JS version on the way
15:37:16 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
15:37:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:37:22 <mhausenblas> Topic:  Issues
15:38:05 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/90
15:38:19 <mhausenblas> Ben: adding "top" and "first" to reserved values ?
15:38:35 <mhausenblas> Steven: XHTML2 has done it, I believe
15:38:41 <mhausenblas> Shane seconds
15:39:47 <mhausenblas> Ben: Propose to resolve XHTML2 decision
15:40:28 <benadida> PROPOSE to accept XHTML2 WG decision on reserved keywords
15:40:31 <mhausenblas> +1
15:40:32 <msporny> +1
15:40:46 <mhausenblas> RESOLVED: ISSUE-90
15:40:58 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/91
15:41:16 <msporny> +1 to kill ISSUE 91 paragraph per Mark's argument.
15:41:31 <mhausenblas> Ben: Should we remove the paragraph as per Mark
15:41:40 <mhausenblas> ... cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0048.html
15:43:14 <benadida> "If an XML dialect that supports @xml:base eventually implements RDFa,
15:43:14 <benadida> >  the RDFa parser for that host language will likely process @xml:base and
15:43:14 <benadida> >  use its value to set [base]."
15:47:05 <mhausenblas> Ben: clear language and remove the misleading example
15:47:47 <mhausenblas> MArk: remove Appendix A?
15:48:06 <mhausenblas> ... but move other lang sutff up
15:48:16 <mhausenblas> s/sutff/stuff
15:48:50 <benadida> PROPOSE: we remove the xml:base example, and move the xml:base description (minus example) into the main text, removing appendix A.
15:48:55 <mhausenblas> +1
15:49:52 <mhausenblas> Manu: but don't put it in the processing rules section
15:50:10 <mhausenblas> RESOLVED: ISSUE-91
15:50:39 <mhausenblas> Ben: Issues 93-94 via mailing list
15:50:56 <mhausenblas> ... and issue 95, as well
15:51:04 <markbirbeck> http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/
15:51:14 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
15:51:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:53:10 <mhausenblas> Mark: leverage RSS and AtomOwl stuff
15:54:16 <mhausenblas> Ben: how about XHTMLLiteral?
15:56:28 <mhausenblas> Mark: For example <content:encoded> from RSS content modules
15:56:50 <markbirbeck> s/leverage RSS/some reading I've been doing points to the possibility of leveraging RSS/
15:57:29 <ShaneM> implemented issue 91 fix.  In the draft at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080313/#sec_5.5.
15:58:18 <mhausenblas> Mark: RDFa Syntax is quite clear about this
15:58:39 <markbirbeck> s/RDFa Syntax/RDFa Concepts/
15:58:56 <markbirbeck> oops...sorry Michael!
15:59:09 <msporny> :)
15:59:13 <markbirbeck> I've made a mess there.......
15:59:24 <Steven> q+
16:00:22 <mhausenblas> Ben: RDFa Primer will take a new route; volunteers?
16:00:28 <mhausenblas> ack Steven
16:00:35 <Steven> q+
16:01:21 <ShaneM> q+
16:01:28 <mhausenblas> Michael: Volunteers to chime into the RDFa Primer
16:01:51 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:01:55 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
16:03:05 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0129.html "Re: ODF and semantic web" [Mark 2007-10-14]
16:04:12 <markbirbeck> Svante Schubert
16:06:12 <mhausenblas> Steven: http://rdfa.info/2008/03/13/rdfa-support-coming-in-odf-12/
16:07:34 <ShaneM> q-
16:07:39 <ShaneM> q-
16:08:39 <mhausenblas> adjourne
16:08:40 <Zakim> -Steven
16:08:51 <Ralph> [adjourned]
16:08:54 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
16:08:57 <Steven> Svante is also ion the CSS WG
16:09:03 <mhausenblas> Zakim, list attendees
16:09:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, msporny, Michael_Hausenblas, Steven, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM, Ben_Adida, markbirbeck
16:09:04 <Steven> s/ion/on/
16:09:15 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:09:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:10:29 <Ralph> rrsagent, stop
16:24:05 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:24:06 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
16:24:08 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, msporny, Michael_Hausenblas, Steven, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM, Ben_Adida, markbirbeck
16:24:15 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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16:24:17 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:24:17 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-actions.rdf :
16:24:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule to include CR [1]
16:24:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-irc#T15-13-08
16:24:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [2]
16:24:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-irc#T15-18-42
16:24:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [3]
16:24:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-irc#T15-36-35