IRC log of forms on 2008-03-12

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14:47:27 [John_Boyer]
rrsagent, make log public
14:47:37 [John_Boyer]
Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:47:51 [John_Boyer]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0030.html
14:48:10 [wellsk]
zakim, mute me
14:48:10 [Zakim]
wellsk should now be muted
14:48:37 [John_Boyer]
Chair: John
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Scribe: Leigh
14:48:57 [Zakim]
+??P11
14:49:03 [ebruchez]
zakim, ??P11 is ebruchez
14:49:03 [Zakim]
+ebruchez; got it
14:49:17 [Roger]
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Regrets: Uli, Rafael
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+Leigh_Klotz
14:49:31 [Roger]
zakim, code?
14:49:31 [Zakim]
the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
14:50:20 [klotz]
klotz has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0030.html
14:51:20 [Zakim]
+??P15
14:51:29 [Roger]
zakim, P15 is Roger
14:51:29 [Zakim]
sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named 'P15'
14:51:42 [Roger]
zakim, ??P15 is Roger
14:51:42 [Zakim]
+Roger; got it
14:51:56 [Roger]
zakim, mute me
14:51:56 [Zakim]
Roger should now be muted
14:54:49 [John_Boyer]
zakim, who is here?
14:54:49 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Charlie, wellsk (muted), John_Boyer, ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz, Roger (muted)
14:54:51 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Roger, RRSAgent, klotz, John_Boyer, Zakim, Charlie, wellsk, markbirbeck, Steven_, nic1, ebruchez, shepazu, trackbot-ng
14:57:10 [wellsk]
zakim, unmute me
14:57:10 [Zakim]
wellsk should no longer be muted
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14:58:58 [wellsk]
zakim, mute me
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wellsk should now be muted
14:59:25 [Zakim]
+ +1.703.368.aaaa
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15:01:11 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0030.html
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http://www.webdialogs.com/join/
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3137304
15:02:11 [nick]
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zakim, code?
15:02:30 [Zakim]
the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
15:03:19 [Zakim]
+Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:03:24 [nick]
zakim, mute me
15:03:24 [Zakim]
Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:04:07 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0012.html
15:04:23 [nick]
ack me
15:05:02 [nick]
zakim, mute me
15:05:02 [Zakim]
Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:05:22 [markbirbeck]
zakim, code?
15:05:22 [Zakim]
the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
15:07:20 [Zakim]
+markbirbeck
15:07:30 [nick]
can someone give me the conference id
15:07:53 [Steven]
zakim, dial steven-617
15:07:53 [Zakim]
ok, Steven; the call is being made
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thansks
15:07:55 [Zakim]
+Steven
15:08:11 [Steven]
hi
15:08:15 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0030.html
15:08:18 [Steven]
sure as hell
15:09:22 [ebruchez]
the conf id is really 36767?
15:09:44 [ebruchez]
it tells me "conf not in session"
15:09:56 [ebruchez]
3137304 in fact
15:09:59 [Charlie]
3137304
15:10:22 [Steven]
Your Web browser does not meet the requirements
15:10:22 [Steven]
for joining a presentation.""
15:11:44 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0013.html
15:14:25 [klotz]
<repeat name="order" nodeset="row">
15:14:25 [klotz]
<select1 name="Product"> ...
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<input name="Quantity"> ...
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<input name="Price"> ...
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<output name="LineTotal" calculate="Price * Quantity"/>
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</repeat>
15:14:28 [klotz]
<output name="Subtotal" calculate="sum(order/row/LineTotal)"/>
15:14:30 [klotz]
<output name="Tax" calculate="Subtotal * 0.07"/>
15:14:32 [klotz]
<output name="Total" calculate="Subtotal + Tax"/>
15:14:52 [John_Boyer]
<output name="LineTotal" calculate="$Price * $Quantity"/>
15:17:35 [John_Boyer]
<repeat name="order" nodeset="row">
15:17:40 [ebruchez]
<xforms:bind name="order" nodeset="order">
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<xforms:bind name="product" nodeset="product"/>
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<xforms:bind name="unitCost" nodeset="unitCost"/>
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<xforms:bind name="qty" nodeset="qty"/>
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<xforms:bind name="lineTotal" nodeset="lineTotal" calculate="$unitCost * $qty"/>
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</xforms:bind>
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<xforms:bind name="subtotal" nodeset="subtotal" calculate="sum($lineTotal)"/>
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<xforms:bind name="tax" nodeset="tax" calculate="$subtotal * 0.07"/>
15:17:47 [ebruchez]
<xforms:bind name="total" nodeset="total" calculate="$subtotal + $tax"/>
15:20:24 [nick]
I think it creates
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<xf:bind id="order" nodeset="row">
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<bind id="quantity" nodeset="quantity"/>
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</xf:bind>
15:20:52 [John_Boyer]
I think that's not quite right, Nick
15:20:58 [John_Boyer]
because <repeat bind="???">
15:21:28 [nick]
why does <xf:repeat bind="order"> not work?
15:21:47 [John_Boyer]
because repeat needs to bind to the set of rows, not the order
15:21:59 [nick]
ack me
15:22:14 [ebruchez]
<xforms:bind name="order" nodeset="order">
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<xforms:bind id="order" nodeset="order">
15:23:16 [ebruchez]
<xforms:repeat name="order" id="orderTable">
15:23:35 [ebruchez]
<xforms:repeat bind="order" id="orderTable">
15:23:51 [John_Boyer]
<repeat name="order" nodeset="row">
15:24:10 [Zakim]
-Roger
15:25:01 [John_Boyer]
<bind id="order" nodeset="order/row"> ...
15:25:03 [nick]
sorry missed it John
15:25:03 [nick]
<xf:group bind="order">
15:25:03 [nick]
<xf:repeat bind="row">
15:25:03 [nick]
<input bind="quantity">....
15:26:05 [ebruchez]
<po>
15:26:05 [ebruchez]
<order>
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<product/>
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<unitCost>0</unitCost>
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<qty>0</qty>
15:26:08 [Zakim]
+??P15
15:26:09 [ebruchez]
<lineTotal>0</lineTotal>
15:26:11 [ebruchez]
</order>
15:26:13 [ebruchez]
<order>
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<product/>
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<unitCost>0</unitCost>
15:26:19 [ebruchez]
<qty>0</qty>
15:26:19 [Roger]
zakim, ??P15 is Roger
15:26:19 [Zakim]
+Roger; got it
15:26:21 [ebruchez]
<lineTotal>0</lineTotal>
15:26:23 [ebruchez]
</order>
15:26:24 [John_Boyer]
zakim, who is making noise?
15:26:25 [ebruchez]
<subtotal>0</subtotal>
15:26:25 [Roger]
zakim, mute me
15:26:25 [Zakim]
Roger should now be muted
15:26:27 [ebruchez]
<tax>0</tax>
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<total>0</total>
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</po>
15:26:34 [Zakim]
John_Boyer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markbirbeck (38%)
15:27:43 [John_Boyer]
<repeat name="order" nodeset="row">
15:29:04 [John_Boyer]
<repeat name="order" thingIamRepeating="row"
15:30:41 [John_Boyer]
What you're saying is that there would be no containing element
15:31:57 [John_Boyer]
<data> <order>ppql</order><order>ppql</order> ... <subtotal>...</data>
15:33:16 [nick]
zakim, mute me
15:33:16 [Zakim]
Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:33:47 [John_Boyer]
<repeat name="row">
15:34:12 [John_Boyer]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0013.html
15:38:32 [nick]
but does how to translate an html form to xforms needs to be specified by the us, i.e. I don't think it should be part of the XForms spec
15:38:54 [nick]
I do believe we need a simpler format
15:39:52 [nick]
ack me
15:44:07 [nick]
There are already browsers that support repeat in html forms, and users already use it, so we should if we want to support html forms also support that pattern, (I don't belief we should do that)
15:44:16 [klotz]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Mar/0043.html
15:44:39 [ebruchez]
there is a very noisy line
15:44:55 [Steven]
zakim, who is noisy?
15:45:06 [Zakim]
Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markbirbeck (17%), John_Boyer (75%)
15:45:38 [nick]
the only 'problem' with Erik's variables is that you can't refer to all the lineTotal nodes only the one in the current row
15:46:19 [nick]
I mean inside the repeat
15:46:52 [nick]
if you want to calculate for example the percentage of a value compared to all the rows
15:47:32 [nick]
I understand why it solves the PO form
15:49:31 [markbirbeck]
zakim, mute me
15:49:31 [Zakim]
markbirbeck should now be muted
15:50:22 [John_Boyer]
Nick asks "what if you have a column in a repeat that wants to show a percentage contribution over the whole table"
15:51:37 [John_Boyer]
calculate="sum(../$LineTotal)"
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?
15:52:35 [John_Boyer]
Can't do, OK.
15:52:57 [John_Boyer]
Variables values can be decided relative to context node of whole expression, not context within expression
15:53:48 [markbirbeck]
zakim, unmute me
15:53:48 [Zakim]
markbirbeck should no longer be muted
15:57:09 [John_Boyer]
<output name="Subtotal" calculate="sum($LineTotal)"/>
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<output name="Subtotal" calculate="sum(row/LineTotal)"/>
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level("row")/LineTotal
16:11:55 [Steven]
I will have trouble staying to 18:30
16:12:11 [Steven]
18:15 is already hard
16:12:37 [Steven]
Yes
16:15:11 [ebruchez]
either way work fine for me
16:15:58 [ebruchez]
7:45 AM is tough for us here though ;-)
16:16:11 [klotz]
We had 7am calls for nearly 5 years.
16:16:30 [Charlie]
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-Roger
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-Charlie
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-markbirbeck
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-ebruchez
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-Steven
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-Nick_van_den_Bleeken
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-John_Boyer
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-Leigh_Klotz
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-wellsk
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16:19:43 [klotz]
zakim, who is here?
16:19:43 [Zakim]
On the phone I see +1.703.368.aaaa
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On IRC I see nick, markbirbeck, Roger, RRSAgent, klotz, Zakim, Steven, shepazu, trackbot-ng
16:20:03 [klotz]
zakim, drop aaaa
16:20:03 [Zakim]
+1.703.368.aaaa is being disconnected
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HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
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Attendees were wellsk, Charlie, John_Boyer, ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz, Roger, +1.703.368.aaaa, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, markbirbeck, Steven
16:20:18 [klotz]
zakim, make minutes
16:20:18 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make minutes', klotz
16:20:27 [klotz]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:20:27 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/12-forms-minutes.html klotz
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