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13:17:53 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:17:53 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
13:18:00 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:18:04 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:18:33 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Mar/0010.html
13:18:47 <shadi> agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI
13:18:58 <shadi> agenda+ WCAG defintion of "Web Page"
13:19:08 <shadi> agenda+ Does Content-in-RDF need updating?
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13:29:32 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has now started
13:29:38 <Zakim> +??P7
13:29:50 <shadi> zakim, ? is really me
13:29:50 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
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13:34:00 <shadi> zakim, johannesk.a is really CarlosV
13:34:00 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
13:34:40 <Zakim> -CarlosV
13:35:30 <Zakim> +CarlosV
13:36:18 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:36:32 <shadi> agenda?
13:37:33 <shadi> scribe: CarlosI
13:37:46 <shadi> scribenick: carlosI
13:37:56 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:37:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI" taken up [from shadi]
13:38:51 <carlosI> SAZ: believe WCAG WG have completed comments managment
13:39:47 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/
13:40:01 <carlosI> SAZ: focus on follow-up of CI's comments if necessary
13:40:59 <carlosI> SAZ: there's a diff version linked on a top, a little more verbose but better to follow changes
13:41:18 <carlosI> SAZ: WCAG 2 is proceeding to CR
13:41:55 <carlosI> SAZ: usually not substantial changes at CR
13:42:53 <carlosI> SAZ: metadata and definition of web page may need more work
13:45:10 <carlosI> SAZ: are people happy with the new version in general?
13:45:33 <carlosI> CI: concerns about definition of web page and validation procedures
13:45:46 <carlosI> SAZ: is an important question
13:45:58 <carlosI> SAZ: try to report as soon as possible
13:46:42 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:46:42 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WCAG defintion of "Web Page"" taken up [from shadi]
13:47:36 <carlosI> SAZ: recap: we identified some use cases were URI is not sufficient to identify a resource
13:48:36 <carlosI> SAZ: we can record what is received from the server but not what get the user at the end
13:49:13 <carlosI> SAZ: specially in cases when several resources are rendered together
13:49:30 <carlosI> SAZ: is a problem from the user perspective, not a technicall one
13:49:41 <carlosI> SAZ: eg. web apps and frames
13:49:58 <carlosI> SAZ: looked at the DOM recording
13:50:19 <carlosI> SAZ: DOM classes and/or DOM serialization
13:51:26 <carlosI> CV: the same discussion comes up many times internally
13:51:43 <carlosI> CV: don't convice WCAG have all we need
13:51:59 <carlosI> CV: about this
13:52:49 <carlosI> SAZ: looks related with what CI have said just before
13:53:46 <carlosI> SAZ: maybe this work is not EARL's task
13:54:06 <carlosI> SAZ: we're not restricted to EARL nor to have to do it now
13:54:47 <carlosI> SAZ: but may need an idea on how to solve it
13:55:16 <carlosI> CV: user's view depends on UAs
13:56:26 <carlosI> SAZ: we have focused on content
13:56:40 <carlosI> SAZ: with an heuristic approach
13:57:37 <carlosI> SAZ: is something we at EARL haven't addressed yet or an WCAG issue?
13:58:35 <carlosI> ACTION: CI and CV to elaborate on the mailing list about web page definition, conformance and evaluation issues
14:00:51 <carlosI> CI: think is not related to EARL, more related to differences between real current evaluation process and WCAG web page definition
14:01:31 <carlosI> CI: the only thing that may be included in EARL could be some kind of states recording or tracking
14:02:07 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:02:07 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Does Content-in-RDF need updating?" taken up [from shadi]
14:03:19 <carlosI> SAZ: comment about the draft on this thread
14:03:33 <carlosI> SAZ: believe there's agreement on some comments
14:03:49 <carlosI> SAZ: others may need further discussion
14:04:09 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Feb/0013.html
14:04:34 <carlosI> SAZ: comments from CI that opened the thread
14:04:53 <carlosI> SAZ: let's go one by one
14:05:17 <carlosI> SAZ: first one is a long discussion about character encodings
14:06:46 <carlosI> JK: looks like we have agreement on a Content property for character encoding
14:07:25 <carlosI> JK: a new scenario
14:07:37 <carlosI> JK: the character string is created on memory
14:15:40 <carlosI> JK: you create a sequence of characters
14:16:04 <carlosI> JK: don't have to care about encoding right now
14:16:25 <carlosI> JK: you are able to create TextContent from this without any problem
14:16:47 <carlosI> JK: you may want to create also a base64 representation
14:17:02 <carlosI> JK: then the result is the byte sequence
14:20:02 <carlosI> CV: what if the declared content enconding is wrong
14:20:49 <carlosI> SAZ: JK mentioned it's a general issue, not specific of Content specification
14:21:27 <carlosI> SAZ: is this a proposal of new scenario?
14:22:41 <carlosI> JK: you record the character encoding at the HTTP headers level
14:23:02 <carlosI> SAZ: what if you get it from the content metadata at the document itself?
14:23:31 <shadi> s/SAZ/CV
14:24:48 <carlosI> SAZ: the more important one is the character encoding you use
14:27:23 <carlosI> SAZ: CV, why don't write down your scenario?
14:28:18 <carlosI> JK: next comment is about using the specification terminology
14:28:34 <carlosI> JK: don't mind changing
14:28:44 <shadi> action: CV send character encoding scenario to the mailing list
14:29:22 <carlosI> RESOLUTION: adjust terminology to the XML specification
14:30:13 <carlosI> JK: next one is about a HTML content to specify the type but no additional properties
14:30:37 <carlosI> SAZ: don't look like a priority
14:32:10 <carlosI> CI: it's useful to allow easy distinction
14:32:49 <carlosI> SAZ: you have this information on headers
14:32:56 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:33:47 <carlosI> SAZ: don't want to repeat everything
14:37:18 <carlosI> SAZ: let's continue next week
14:37:31 <Zakim> -JohannesK
14:37:38 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:37:39 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has ended
14:37:40 <Zakim> Attendees were shadi, JohannesK, CarlosV, Carlos_Iglesias
14:40:27 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:40:34 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
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14:40:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/12-er-minutes.html shadi
14:40:39 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:40:44 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:40:44 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/12-er-actions.rdf :
14:40:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CI and CV to elaborate on the mailing list about web page definition, conformance and evaluation issues [1]
14:40:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/12-er-irc#T13-58-35
14:40:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CV send character encoding scenario to the mailing list [2]
14:40:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/12-er-irc#T14-28-44