IRC log of wai-wcag on 2008-03-06

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meeting: WAI WCAG
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agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/824e742c0803042329l3a8083d6vd81b761f46c3c34a@mail.gmail.com
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chair: Gregg, Loretta
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 (First 3 questions) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080214misc4/results
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agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 06 March 2008 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080306/results
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regrets: Sofia_Celic, Drew_LaHart, Tim_Boland, Nikolaos_Floratos, Alex_Li
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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+??P8
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+Sean
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+Cooper
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+Matt_May
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+??P22
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+??P24
21:01:41 [MichaelC]
zakim, +1.206 is Chris_Brownrigg
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+Chris_Brownrigg; got it
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zakim, ?p22 is Christophe_Strobbe
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sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named '?p22'
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zakim, ??P8 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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+Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
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+ +1.240.855.aabb
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zakim, ??P22 is Christophe_Strobbe
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+Christophe_Strobbe; got it
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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zakim, +1.240 is Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey; got it
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zakim, ??P22 is probably Gregg_Vanderheiden
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I already had ??P22 as Christophe_Strobbe, MichaelC
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zakim, ??P24 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
21:03:37 [MichaelC]
zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see Chris_Brownrigg, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sean, Cooper, Matt_May, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC]
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+Andi_Snow_Weaver
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scribe: Christophe
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
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+Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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sorry, cannot connect with phone today
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+yngve
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???
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zakim, yngve is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
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zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 (First 3 questions) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080214misc4/results" taken up [from MichaelC]
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topic: Issue 2537: SC 3.1.3: Glossary without Links Should Fail?
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+??P4
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zakim, ??P4 is Makoto_Ueki
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+Makoto_Ueki; got it
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resolution: issue 2537 accepted as proposed
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Topic: Sufficient Technique for SC 4.1.2: Using CSS to hide label elements when visible text labels cannot be used
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+??P5
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zakim, ??P5 is David_MacDonald
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+David_MacDonald; got it
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zakim, mute David
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David_MacDonald should now be muted
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zakim, unmute David
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David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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zakim, mute Sean
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Sean should now be muted
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resolution: re-open this technique: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Using_CSS_to_hide_label_elements_when_visible_text_labels_cannot_be_used
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Topic: Sufficient Technique for SC 2.4.4, 2.4.9: Using JavaScript to change the link text
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action: Cynthia to fix the technique and make edits from the survey
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Resolution: accept the issue as amended.
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 06 March 2008 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080306/results" taken up [from MichaelC]
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Topic: Issue 2496: non-W3C techiques have to be named with clear examples
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q+
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q+ to say ECMAScript is an openly maintained technology
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21:38:20 [Zakim]
MichaelC, you wanted to say ECMAScript is an openly maintained technology
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-Sean
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Resolution: Issue 2496 accepted
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Topic: Issue 2538: SC 3.3.1: Providing client-side validation and ...
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+Sean
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action: Ben and Christophe to explore the technique (Providing client-side validation and adding error text via the DOM)
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resolution: issue 2538 accepted as amended
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Topic: Issue 2541: Suggestions to clarify "media alternatives to text"
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resolution: Issue 2541 accepted as amended
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Topic: Issue 2546: 80 characters
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q+
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ACK S
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ACK L
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q+
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q+
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Resolution: Issue 2546 accepted as amended
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Topic: Issue 2567: Allow users to filter out HTML techniques
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resolution: issue 2567 accepted as amended
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Topic: Issue 2593: Need Bullets for Educational Testing Situations
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Resolution: Issue 2593 accepted as proposed
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Topic: Issue 2594: Case of no items corresponding Level AAA conformance requirements
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Resolution: Issue 2594 accepted as amended
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Topic: Issue 2596: SC 1.4.5 - Poor support of CSS to Japanese text font
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Resolution: Issue 2596 accepted as amended
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Topic: Issue 2597: SC 1.4.9 - Poor support of CSS to Japanese text font
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Resolution: Issue 2597 accepted as amended
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Topic: Definition of Caption
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ACK B
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synchronized visual or text equivalents for both dialog and non-dialog audio information needed to understand program content.
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synchronized visual or text equivalents for both dialog and non-dialog audio information needed to understand content
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Issue table to and of meeting
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Topic: Issue 2393: Media exemption to 1.1.1
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q+
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ack a
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ack b
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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q+
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-Bengt_Farre
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ack a
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ack s
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q+
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q+
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q+
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All non-text content has a text alternative that provides the same function, except for the situations listed below
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All non-text content has a text alternative that provides the same purpose,except for the situations listed below
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All non-text content has a text alternative that serves the equivalent purpose,except for the situations listed below
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-Makoto_Ueki
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Resolution: Issue 2393 accepted as amended
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Topic: Issue 2421: Conformance Level wrong for SC 2.2.2
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q+
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q+
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ack m
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Resolution: unanimous consent to accept the proposal for issue 2421 as "not accept", with response language to be amended by taskgroup working with chairs
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action: Matt, Sean, Andi, Loretta and Gregg to work on response for 2421
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Topic: Issues 2449, 2507, 2547: lists for accessibility supported technologies
23:44:00 [GreggVan]
The Candidate Recommendation process itself requires that there be examples that demonstrate conformance. So there will certainly be some information about accessibility supported technologies in order to get out of the candidate recommendation stage for WCAG 2.0.
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q+
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Resolution: Issues 2449, 2507, 2547 accepted as amended
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Topic: Issues 2392: meaning of accessibility supported unclear
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Resolution: topics 2392 and 2412 accepted as amended
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Topic: Issues 2579: Process for accessibility-supported technologies
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Resolution: issue 2579 accepted as amended with Michael's addition
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Topic: Issue 2595: Necessity of sample of test files and evaluation report
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Resolution: issue 2595 accepted as proposed
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Topic: Definition of Live and Pre-recorded
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea