20:51:21 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 20:51:21 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-wai-wcag-irc 20:51:27 rrsagent, make log world 20:51:34 meeting: WAI WCAG 20:51:36 agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/824e742c0803042329l3a8083d6vd81b761f46c3c34a@mail.gmail.com 20:51:45 chair: Gregg, Loretta 20:52:09 scribeOptions: -scribeOnly -final 20:52:15 agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates 20:52:38 agenda+ Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 (First 3 questions) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080214misc4/results 20:53:32 agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 06 March 2008 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080306/results 20:54:50 regrets: Sofia_Celic, Drew_LaHart, Tim_Boland, Nikolaos_Floratos, Alex_Li 20:57:24 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 20:57:51 Christophe has joined #wai-wcag 20:59:16 WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started 20:59:23 + +1.206.246.aaaa 20:59:35 +??P8 20:59:52 +Sean 21:00:43 +Cooper 21:00:46 +Matt_May 21:01:02 rellero has joined #wai-wcag 21:01:33 +??P22 21:01:37 +??P24 21:01:41 zakim, +1.206 is Chris_Brownrigg 21:01:41 +Chris_Brownrigg; got it 21:01:51 zakim, ?p22 is Christophe_Strobbe 21:01:51 sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named '?p22' 21:01:54 zakim, ??P8 is Katie_Haritos-Shea 21:01:54 +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it 21:01:56 + +1.240.855.aabb 21:02:01 zakim, ??P22 is Christophe_Strobbe 21:02:01 +Christophe_Strobbe; got it 21:02:15 GreggVan has joined #wai-wcag 21:02:18 +Loretta_Guarino_Reid 21:02:29 zakim, +1.240 is Bruce_Bailey 21:02:29 +Bruce_Bailey; got it 21:02:55 zakim, ??P22 is probably Gregg_Vanderheiden 21:02:55 I already had ??P22 as Christophe_Strobbe, MichaelC 21:03:04 zakim, ??P24 is Gregg_Vanderheiden 21:03:04 +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it 21:03:37 zakim, who's on the phone? 21:03:37 On the phone I see Chris_Brownrigg, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sean, Cooper, Matt_May, Christophe_Strobbe, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid 21:03:54 + +1.617.584.aacc 21:03:56 ack g 21:04:12 - +1.617.584.aacc 21:05:32 zakim, take up item 1 21:05:32 agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC] 21:05:41 +Andi_Snow_Weaver 21:05:41 scribe: Christophe 21:05:47 David_MacDonald has joined #wai-wcag 21:05:53 Andi has joined #wai-wcag 21:06:15 +[Microsoft] 21:06:27 zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly 21:06:27 +Cynthia_Shelly; got it 21:06:40 bengt has joined #wai-wcag 21:08:02 sorry, cannot connect with phone today 21:08:11 +yngve 21:08:19 ??? 21:08:30 zakim, yngve is Bengt_Farre 21:08:30 +Bengt_Farre; got it 21:09:13 zakim, take up item 2 21:09:13 agendum 2. "Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 (First 3 questions) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080214misc4/results" taken up [from MichaelC] 21:09:20 Makoto has joined #wai-wcag 21:10:10 topic: Issue 2537: SC 3.1.3: Glossary without Links Should Fail? 21:10:45 +??P4 21:10:50 zakim, ??P4 is Makoto_Ueki 21:10:50 +Makoto_Ueki; got it 21:10:53 ack b 21:11:09 ack c 21:12:07 resolution: issue 2537 accepted as proposed 21:12:26 Topic: Sufficient Technique for SC 4.1.2: Using CSS to hide label elements when visible text labels cannot be used 21:15:33 q+ 21:17:28 ack l 21:19:11 +??P5 21:19:45 zakim, ??P5 is David_MacDonald 21:19:45 +David_MacDonald; got it 21:20:50 David_MacDonald has joined #wai-wcag 21:21:31 zakim, mute David 21:21:31 David_MacDonald should now be muted 21:21:34 zakim, unmute David 21:21:34 David_MacDonald should no longer be muted 21:22:11 zakim, mute Sean 21:22:11 Sean should now be muted 21:23:31 ack b 21:24:53 q+ 21:25:55 ack l 21:25:55 ack 21:26:42 resolution: re-open this technique: http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Using_CSS_to_hide_label_elements_when_visible_text_labels_cannot_be_used 21:28:09 Topic: Sufficient Technique for SC 2.4.4, 2.4.9: Using JavaScript to change the link text 21:30:14 action: Cynthia to fix the technique and make edits from the survey 21:30:50 Resolution: accept the issue as amended. 21:31:16 zakim, take up agendum 3 21:31:16 agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 06 March 2008 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080306/results" taken up [from MichaelC] 21:31:41 Topic: Issue 2496: non-W3C techiques have to be named with clear examples 21:34:36 q+ 21:35:01 ack a 21:35:07 q+ to say ECMAScript is an openly maintained technology 21:36:34 ack c 21:38:20 ACK M 21:38:20 MichaelC, you wanted to say ECMAScript is an openly maintained technology 21:40:05 -Sean 21:40:14 Resolution: Issue 2496 accepted 21:40:26 Topic: Issue 2538: SC 3.3.1: Providing client-side validation and ... 21:40:37 +Sean 21:49:07 action: Ben and Christophe to explore the technique (Providing client-side validation and adding error text via the DOM) 21:51:36 resolution: issue 2538 accepted as amended 21:51:51 Topic: Issue 2541: Suggestions to clarify "media alternatives to text" 21:56:06 resolution: Issue 2541 accepted as amended 21:56:17 Topic: Issue 2546: 80 characters 22:00:24 q+ 22:01:02 ACK S 22:01:05 ACK L 22:03:37 q+ 22:05:23 ACK D 22:08:08 ACK M 22:11:14 q+ 22:11:34 q- 22:12:33 ACK C 22:14:35 Resolution: Issue 2546 accepted as amended 22:14:45 Topic: Issue 2567: Allow users to filter out HTML techniques 22:20:40 resolution: issue 2567 accepted as amended 22:20:51 Topic: Issue 2593: Need Bullets for Educational Testing Situations 22:21:04 Resolution: Issue 2593 accepted as proposed 22:21:22 Topic: Issue 2594: Case of no items corresponding Level AAA conformance requirements 22:26:12 Resolution: Issue 2594 accepted as amended 22:26:26 Topic: Issue 2596: SC 1.4.5 - Poor support of CSS to Japanese text font 22:27:21 Resolution: Issue 2596 accepted as amended 22:27:36 Topic: Issue 2597: SC 1.4.9 - Poor support of CSS to Japanese text font 22:28:35 Resolution: Issue 2597 accepted as amended 22:28:46 Topic: Definition of Caption 22:33:15 ACK B 22:44:23 synchronized visual or text equivalents for both dialog and non-dialog audio information needed to understand program content. 22:45:00 synchronized visual or text equivalents for both dialog and non-dialog audio information needed to understand content 22:49:38 Issue table to and of meeting 22:49:57 Topic: Issue 2393: Media exemption to 1.1.1 22:51:20 q+ 22:51:35 ack a 22:54:33 ack b 22:58:43 -Cynthia_Shelly 23:01:12 q+ 23:01:51 -Bengt_Farre 23:03:30 ack a 23:07:53 ack s 23:07:55 q+ 23:11:15 q+ 23:11:27 ack a 23:11:52 q+ 23:12:23 ack l 23:12:26 ack a 23:12:42 q- 23:14:40 All non-text content has a text alternative that provides the same function, except for the situations listed below 23:15:10 All non-text content has a text alternative that provides the same purpose,except for the situations listed below 23:15:50 All non-text content has a text alternative that serves the equivalent purpose,except for the situations listed below 23:19:41 -Makoto_Ueki 23:20:25 Resolution: Issue 2393 accepted as amended 23:21:04 Topic: Issue 2421: Conformance Level wrong for SC 2.2.2 23:22:36 q+ 23:22:51 q+ 23:23:53 ack m 23:25:41 ack l 23:25:46 ack g 23:35:53 Resolution: unanimous consent to accept the proposal for issue 2421 as "not accept", with response language to be amended by taskgroup working with chairs 23:36:35 action: Matt, Sean, Andi, Loretta and Gregg to work on response for 2421 23:36:50 Topic: Issues 2449, 2507, 2547: lists for accessibility supported technologies 23:44:00 The Candidate Recommendation process itself requires that there be examples that demonstrate conformance. So there will certainly be some information about accessibility supported technologies in order to get out of the candidate recommendation stage for WCAG 2.0. 23:46:40 q+ 23:48:48 ack l 23:50:04 Resolution: Issues 2449, 2507, 2547 accepted as amended 23:50:15 Topic: Issues 2392: meaning of accessibility supported unclear 23:50:38 Resolution: topics 2392 and 2412 accepted as amended 23:50:58 Topic: Issues 2579: Process for accessibility-supported technologies 23:51:51 Resolution: issue 2579 accepted as amended with Michael's addition 23:52:36 Topic: Issue 2595: Necessity of sample of test files and evaluation report 23:52:53 Resolution: issue 2595 accepted as proposed 23:53:04 Topic: Definition of Live and Pre-recorded 23:53:45 -Katie_Haritos-Shea