15:55:33 RRSAgent has joined #swd 15:55:33 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc 15:55:42 rrsagent, bookmark 15:55:42 See http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T15-55-42 15:55:49 Elisa has joined #swd 15:56:03 Elisa, hi! 15:56:20 zakim, this will be swd 15:56:20 ok, TomB; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 15:56:28 Meeting: SWD WG 15:56:32 Chair: Tom 15:56:53 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0009.html 15:57:04 SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started 15:57:11 +Elisa_Kendall 15:57:21 Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html 15:57:34 scribenick: Elisa 15:57:43 JonP has joined #swd 15:57:43 yes 15:58:20 edsu has joined #swd 15:58:50 Regrets: Alistair, Antoine, Simone, Sean 15:58:57 rrsagent, please make record public 15:59:24 +Carlos_Iglesias 15:59:36 Zakim: Carlos_Iglesias is me 15:59:43 +[LC] 15:59:56 Zakim, LC is edsu 15:59:56 +edsu; got it 16:00:02 +Ralph 16:00:16 marghe has joined #swd 16:00:36 +Tom_Baker 16:00:42 scribe: Elisa 16:01:26 + +39.065.705.aaaa 16:02:05 zakim, aaaa is Marghe 16:02:05 +Marghe; got it 16:02:21 +??P29 16:02:25 Topic: Admin 16:02:27 dlrubin has joined #swd 16:02:39 zakim, ??p is DLRubin 16:02:39 +DLRubin; got it 16:03:04 JonP has joined #swd 16:03:28 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:03:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html Ralph 16:04:43 +Jon_Phipps 16:05:02 Regrets+ Michael 16:05:46 Topic: Admin 16:06:04 zakim, list attendees 16:06:04 As of this point the attendees have been Elisa_Kendall, Carlos_Iglesias, edsu, Ralph, Tom_Baker, +39.065.705.aaaa, Marghe, DLRubin, Jon_Phipps 16:06:19 The telecom times over the next three weeks will be the same except for Europeans. 16:06:33 Links for the exact times in a given timezone are in the agenda 16:06:35 ("same" as in "same local time") 16:07:27 Thinks will be back to normal after three weeks from now (no change in the US, aside from Arizona). 16:08:25 Scribe duty -- Antoine for next week, Clay in reserve; Margherita for March 25 16:08:48 ok for me 16:08:55 PROPOSED to accept minutes of the Feb 26 telecon:http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html 16:09:23 RESOLVED: to accept minutes of the Feb 26 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html 16:09:46 ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01] (CONTINUES) 16:10:24 benadida has joined #swd 16:10:29 F2F Meeting: need to move this discussion to next week, with favored dates 8-9 May in London 16:10:34 + +1.617.395.aabb 16:10:34 Topic: SKOS 16:10:40 zakim, I am aabb 16:10:40 +benadida; got it 16:10:53 Tom: I wanted to verify the schedule 16:11:17 zakim, Jon_Phipps is me 16:11:18 +JonP; got it 16:11:20 I noticed that the expected schedule on the deliverables page doesn't include the SKOS Primer. What's the expected schedule for that? 16:11:34 Is it in sync with the SKOS reference? 16:11:53 Ed: there are resolutions that depend on the SKOS reference, so it's tied to that 16:12:01 Ed will update that ... 16:12:20 ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13] (CONTINUES) 16:12:37 ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties (updating RDF schema) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06] (CONTINUES) 16:12:46 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:12:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html Ralph 16:13:09 ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10] 16:13:12 --CONTINUES 16:13:42 nice hack! 16:14:04 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html Ralph 16:14:43 ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate recommendation package. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] (CONTINUES) 16:15:01 ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept Coordination) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09] 16:15:03 --CONTINUES 16:15:29 ACTION: Guus to add to Antoine's proposal for issue 71, a proposal for semantic relations between match relations and standard relations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action02] 16:15:32 --CONTINUES 16:15:55 Topic: RDFa 16:16:21 Tom: It would be good if we could include the RDFa Primer in the Deliverables Table 16:16:51 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#RDFa RDFa Deliverables 16:17:13 +q to ask about rdfa profile discussion 16:17:20 Ben: April 2008 updated primer? 16:17:33 Tom: what's the final status? 16:18:10 Ben: I'm currently editing it as a note, April 2008 is a very workable goal, to get RDFa primer out as a note... 16:18:24 Tom: would like to flag this 16:19:05 Ralph: I'd like to keep this open until Syntax has reached rec 16:19:26 Ben: modulo some tiny details during the end of last call, this is doable 16:19:46 Action: Ben to clarify target date of publication of primer as note and update deliverables page 16:20:27 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0158.html 28-Feb RDFa TF Telecon record 16:20:32 ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in 16:20:33 http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 16:20:36 --CONTINUES 16:21:03 edsu, you wanted to ask about rdfa profile discussion 16:21:09 Ben: we are tracking the comments that come in from last call via tracker, and it's going ok 16:21:36 Ed: I'd be interested to hear a summary of the issues to do with the profile ... I think Sean Palmer had some issues 16:21:44 Ben: I sent a response to him 16:22:05 The core issue here is how you follow your nose from an HTML document with RDFa to the RDF specification 16:22:06 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/thread.html#msg18 "RDFa test case #1 missing @profile?" thread 16:22:33 We had agreed to use the profile attribute for this, and make it a best practice for RDFa to use it 16:22:54 but we have not made it a requirement -- when people don't have control over the head of a document 16:23:15 We understand that this is a compromise, the latest conclusion is that we're producing all but one test 16:23:22 case with the profile attribute 16:23:42 It's the conflict between doing right by web archs and at the same time accounting for real world issues 16:23:53 Is the use of the DOCTYPE usual 16:24:01 Norm Walsh writes 16:24:02 [[ 16:24:08 Without the profile, this is *and must be* only a 16:24:08 vanilla XHTML document where the about and property attributes are 16:24:08 totally ignored. 16:24:09 ]] 16:24:12 -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0018.html 16:24:17 If you do RDFa using XHTML 1.1 then you need to do use the profile 16:24:34 Ed: That helps 16:24:51 Tom: I'm wondering if the primer will articulate the nature of the compromise 16:25:20 Ben: we've steered clear of this in the primer for the moment 16:25:23 Ben: the compromise is partly to address users of blogging software and wiki software who can't modify the DOCTYPE or the @profile values on their pages 16:25:39 Tom: it seems important to capture this somewhere 16:25:47 q+ 16:26:02 Ben: I'll think about where best to present this 16:26:30 ack Ralph 16:26:56 Ralph: this is an important architectural issue as well - the TAG may say that they understand the 16:27:17 usability argument, but the architectural issue of self-describing documents might override this 16:27:38 it might be good for this WG to think about this and have something to say about this 16:28:15 Ben: We're looking at the self-describing document issue and planning to have a good answer to this 16:28:39 -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments.html 16:28:43 Topic: Recipes 16:28:58 Tom: Verify schedule March - December 16:29:05 s/something to say/a strong consensus/ 16:29:31 Diego: I'm hoping that by the end of this month we can have a new working draft 16:29:45 ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 16:29:47 --CONTINUES 16:30:00 ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] 16:30:03 --CONTINUES 16:30:06 -Ralph 16:30:10 arch! 16:30:14 be right back 16:30:28 +Ralph 16:30:36 scribenick: ralph 16:30:48 Topic: Vocabulary Management 16:31:07 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#VocabularyMgt Vocab Managment deliverable 16:31:17 Elisa: I'm working on the comments sent thus far 16:31:46 Tom: 15 March for internal review editors' draft OK? 16:31:48 Elisa: yes 16:31:57 Tom: I have a few comments I'll send 16:32:14 Elisa: please look for anything large and glaring that's been omitted 16:32:28 Tom: issue of domain registration problem is flagged in the current draft 16:32:38 ... I can respond to this 16:32:51 ... the issue is that domain names are only registered for a finite time 16:33:35 ... if the owner dies or fails to renew the registration, the domain name can be lost to a spammer or an entirely unrelated enterprise 16:34:22 -DLRubin 16:34:24 -edsu 16:34:25 zakim, list attendees 16:34:25 As of this point the attendees have been Elisa_Kendall, Carlos_Iglesias, edsu, Ralph, Tom_Baker, +39.065.705.aaaa, Marghe, DLRubin, +1.617.395.aabb, benadida, JonP 16:34:29 -benadida 16:34:30 -Carlos_Iglesias 16:34:31 dlrubin has left #swd 16:34:32 [adjourned] 16:34:38 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:34:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html Ralph 16:38:09 -Marghe 16:45:13 http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.27/Minutes 17:09:14 -Elisa_Kendall 17:09:18 -Tom_Baker 17:09:20 -Ralph 17:09:35 -JonP 17:09:36 SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended 17:09:37 Attendees were Elisa_Kendall, Carlos_Iglesias, edsu, Ralph, Tom_Baker, +39.065.705.aaaa, Marghe, DLRubin, +1.617.395.aabb, benadida, JonP 17:17:43 zakim, bye 17:17:43 Zakim has left #swd 17:17:48 rrsagent, bye 17:17:48 I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-actions.rdf : 17:17:48 ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01] (CONTINUES) [1] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-09-46 17:17:48 ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13] (CONTINUES) [2] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-12-20 17:17:48 ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties (updating RDF schema) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06] (CONTINUES) [3] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-12-37 17:17:48 ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10] [4] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-13-09 17:17:48 ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate recommendation package. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] (CONTINUES) [5] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-14-43 17:17:48 ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept Coordination) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09] [6] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-15-01 17:17:48 ACTION: Guus to add to Antoine's proposal for issue 71, a proposal for semantic relations between match relations and standard relations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action02] [7] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-15-29 17:17:48 ACTION: Ben to clarify target date of publication of primer as note and update deliverables page [8] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-19-46 17:17:48 ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in [9] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-20-32 17:17:48 ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [10] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-29-45 17:17:48 ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [11] 17:17:48 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-30-00 17:18:57 marghe has left #swd