IRC log of swd on 2008-03-04

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15:55:42 [TomB]: rrsagent, bookmark
15:55:42 [RRSAgent]: See http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T15-55-42
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15:56:03 [TomB]: Elisa, hi!
15:56:20 [TomB]: zakim, this will be swd
15:56:20 [Zakim]: ok, TomB; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:28 [TomB]: Meeting: SWD WG
15:56:32 [TomB]: Chair: Tom
15:56:53 [TomB]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0009.html
15:57:04 [Zakim]: SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started
15:57:11 [Zakim]: +Elisa_Kendall
15:57:21 [TomB]: Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html
15:57:34 [Elisa]: scribenick: Elisa
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15:57:43 [Elisa]: yes
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15:58:50 [TomB]: Regrets: Alistair, Antoine, Simone, Sean
15:58:57 [TomB]: rrsagent, please make record public
15:59:24 [Zakim]: +Carlos_Iglesias
15:59:36 [berrueta]: Zakim: Carlos_Iglesias is me
15:59:43 [Zakim]: +[LC]
15:59:56 [edsu]: Zakim, LC is edsu
15:59:56 [Zakim]: +edsu; got it
16:00:02 [Zakim]: +Ralph
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16:00:36 [Zakim]: +Tom_Baker
16:00:42 [Elisa]: scribe: Elisa
16:01:26 [Zakim]: + +39.065.705.aaaa
16:02:05 [Ralph]: zakim, aaaa is Marghe
16:02:05 [Zakim]: +Marghe; got it
16:02:21 [Zakim]: +??P29
16:02:25 [Elisa]: Topic: Admin
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16:02:39 [Ralph]: zakim, ??p is DLRubin
16:02:39 [Zakim]: +DLRubin; got it
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16:03:28 [Ralph]: rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:03:28 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:04:43 [Zakim]: +Jon_Phipps
16:05:02 [Ralph]: Regrets+ Michael
16:05:46 [Elisa]: Topic: Admin
16:06:04 [Ralph]: zakim, list attendees
16:06:04 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been Elisa_Kendall, Carlos_Iglesias, edsu, Ralph, Tom_Baker, +39.065.705.aaaa, Marghe, DLRubin, Jon_Phipps
16:06:19 [Elisa]: The telecom times over the next three weeks will be the same except for Europeans.
16:06:33 [Elisa]: Links for the exact times in a given timezone are in the agenda
16:06:35 [Ralph]: ("same" as in "same local time")
16:07:27 [Elisa]: Thinks will be back to normal after three weeks from now (no change in the US, aside from Arizona).
16:08:25 [Elisa]: Scribe duty -- Antoine for next week, Clay in reserve; Margherita for March 25
16:08:48 [marghe]: ok for me
16:08:55 [Elisa]: PROPOSED to accept minutes of the Feb 26 telecon:http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html
16:09:23 [Elisa]: RESOLVED: to accept minutes of the Feb 26 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html
16:09:46 [Elisa]: ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01] (CONTINUES)
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16:10:29 [Elisa]: F2F Meeting: need to move this discussion to next week, with favored dates 8-9 May in London
16:10:34 [Zakim]: + +1.617.395.aabb
16:10:34 [Elisa]: Topic: SKOS
16:10:40 [benadida]: zakim, I am aabb
16:10:40 [Zakim]: +benadida; got it
16:10:53 [Elisa]: Tom: I wanted to verify the schedule
16:11:17 [JonP]: zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
16:11:18 [Zakim]: +JonP; got it
16:11:20 [Elisa]: I noticed that the expected schedule on the deliverables page doesn't include the SKOS Primer. What's the expected schedule for that?
16:11:34 [Elisa]: Is it in sync with the SKOS reference?
16:11:53 [Elisa]: Ed: there are resolutions that depend on the SKOS reference, so it's tied to that
16:12:01 [Elisa]: Ed will update that ...
16:12:20 [Elisa]: ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13] (CONTINUES)
16:12:37 [Elisa]: ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties (updating RDF schema) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06] (CONTINUES)
16:12:46 [Ralph]: rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:12:46 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:13:09 [Elisa]: ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]
16:13:12 [Elisa]: --CONTINUES
16:13:42 [edsu]: nice hack!
16:14:04 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:14:43 [Elisa]: ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate recommendation package. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] (CONTINUES)
16:15:01 [Elisa]: ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept Coordination) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09]
16:15:03 [Elisa]: --CONTINUES
16:15:29 [Elisa]: ACTION: Guus to add to Antoine's proposal for issue 71, a proposal for semantic relations between match relations and standard relations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:15:32 [Elisa]: --CONTINUES
16:15:55 [Elisa]: Topic: RDFa
16:16:21 [Elisa]: Tom: It would be good if we could include the RDFa Primer in the Deliverables Table
16:16:51 [Ralph]: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#RDFa RDFa Deliverables
16:17:13 [edsu]: +q to ask about rdfa profile discussion
16:17:20 [Elisa]: Ben: April 2008 updated primer?
16:17:33 [Elisa]: Tom: what's the final status?
16:18:10 [Elisa]: Ben: I'm currently editing it as a note, April 2008 is a very workable goal, to get RDFa primer out as a note...
16:18:24 [Elisa]: Tom: would like to flag this
16:19:05 [Elisa]: Ralph: I'd like to keep this open until Syntax has reached rec
16:19:26 [Elisa]: Ben: modulo some tiny details during the end of last call, this is doable
16:19:46 [Elisa]: Action: Ben to clarify target date of publication of primer as note and update deliverables page
16:20:27 [Ralph]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0158.html 28-Feb RDFa TF Telecon record
16:20:32 [Elisa]: ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in
16:20:33 [Elisa]: http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
16:20:36 [Elisa]: --CONTINUES
16:21:03 [Zakim]: edsu, you wanted to ask about rdfa profile discussion
16:21:09 [Elisa]: Ben: we are tracking the comments that come in from last call via tracker, and it's going ok
16:21:36 [Elisa]: Ed: I'd be interested to hear a summary of the issues to do with the profile ... I think Sean Palmer had some issues
16:21:44 [Elisa]: Ben: I sent a response to him
16:22:05 [Elisa]: The core issue here is how you follow your nose from an HTML document with RDFa to the RDF specification
16:22:06 [Ralph]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/thread.html#msg18 "RDFa test case #1 missing @profile?" thread
16:22:33 [Elisa]: We had agreed to use the profile attribute for this, and make it a best practice for RDFa to use it
16:22:54 [Elisa]: but we have not made it a requirement -- when people don't have control over the head of a document
16:23:15 [Elisa]: We understand that this is a compromise, the latest conclusion is that we're producing all but one test
16:23:22 [Elisa]: case with the profile attribute
16:23:42 [Elisa]: It's the conflict between doing right by web archs and at the same time accounting for real world issues
16:23:53 [Elisa]: Is the use of the DOCTYPE usual
16:24:01 [Ralph]: Norm Walsh writes
16:24:02 [Ralph]: [[
16:24:08 [Ralph]: Without the profile, this is *and must be* only a
16:24:08 [Ralph]: vanilla XHTML document where the about and property attributes are
16:24:08 [Ralph]: totally ignored.
16:24:09 [Ralph]: ]]
16:24:12 [Ralph]: -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0018.html
16:24:17 [Elisa]: If you do RDFa using XHTML 1.1 then you need to do use the profile
16:24:34 [Elisa]: Ed: That helps
16:24:51 [Elisa]: Tom: I'm wondering if the primer will articulate the nature of the compromise
16:25:20 [Elisa]: Ben: we've steered clear of this in the primer for the moment
16:25:23 [Ralph]: Ben: the compromise is partly to address users of blogging software and wiki software who can't modify the DOCTYPE or the @profile values on their pages
16:25:39 [Elisa]: Tom: it seems important to capture this somewhere
16:25:47 [Ralph]: q+
16:26:02 [Elisa]: Ben: I'll think about where best to present this
16:26:30 [TomB]: ack Ralph
16:26:56 [Elisa]: Ralph: this is an important architectural issue as well - the TAG may say that they understand the
16:27:17 [Elisa]: usability argument, but the architectural issue of self-describing documents might override this
16:27:38 [Elisa]: it might be good for this WG to think about this and have something to say about this
16:28:15 [Elisa]: Ben: We're looking at the self-describing document issue and planning to have a good answer to this
16:28:39 [edsu]: -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments.html
16:28:43 [Elisa]: Topic: Recipes
16:28:58 [Elisa]: Tom: Verify schedule March - December
16:29:05 [Ralph]: s/something to say/a strong consensus/
16:29:31 [Elisa]: Diego: I'm hoping that by the end of this month we can have a new working draft
16:29:45 [Elisa]: ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
16:29:47 [Elisa]: --CONTINUES
16:30:00 [Elisa]: ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
16:30:03 [Elisa]: --CONTINUES
16:30:06 [Zakim]: -Ralph
16:30:10 [Ralph]: arch!
16:30:14 [Ralph]: be right back
16:30:28 [Zakim]: +Ralph
16:30:36 [Ralph]: scribenick: ralph
16:30:48 [Ralph]: Topic: Vocabulary Management
16:31:07 [Ralph]: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#VocabularyMgt Vocab Managment deliverable
16:31:17 [Ralph]: Elisa: I'm working on the comments sent thus far
16:31:46 [Ralph]: Tom: 15 March for internal review editors' draft OK?
16:31:48 [Ralph]: Elisa: yes
16:31:57 [Ralph]: Tom: I have a few comments I'll send
16:32:14 [Ralph]: Elisa: please look for anything large and glaring that's been omitted
16:32:28 [Ralph]: Tom: issue of domain registration problem is flagged in the current draft
16:32:38 [Ralph]: ... I can respond to this
16:32:51 [Ralph]: ... the issue is that domain names are only registered for a finite time
16:33:35 [Ralph]: ... if the owner dies or fails to renew the registration, the domain name can be lost to a spammer or an entirely unrelated enterprise
16:34:22 [Zakim]: -DLRubin
16:34:24 [Zakim]: -edsu
16:34:25 [Ralph]: zakim, list attendees
16:34:25 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been Elisa_Kendall, Carlos_Iglesias, edsu, Ralph, Tom_Baker, +39.065.705.aaaa, Marghe, DLRubin, +1.617.395.aabb, benadida, JonP
16:34:29 [Zakim]: -benadida
16:34:30 [Zakim]: -Carlos_Iglesias
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16:34:32 [Ralph]: [adjourned]
16:34:38 [Ralph]: rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:34:38 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:38:09 [Zakim]: -Marghe
16:45:13 [Elisa]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.27/Minutes
17:09:14 [Zakim]: -Elisa_Kendall
17:09:18 [Zakim]: -Tom_Baker
17:09:20 [Zakim]: -Ralph
17:09:35 [Zakim]: -JonP
17:09:36 [Zakim]: SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
17:09:37 [Zakim]: Attendees were Elisa_Kendall, Carlos_Iglesias, edsu, Ralph, Tom_Baker, +39.065.705.aaaa, Marghe, DLRubin, +1.617.395.aabb, benadida, JonP
17:17:43 [Ralph]: zakim, bye
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17:17:48 [Ralph]: rrsagent, bye
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-actions.rdf :
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01] (CONTINUES) [1]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-09-46
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13] (CONTINUES) [2]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-12-20
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties (updating RDF schema) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06] (CONTINUES) [3]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-12-37
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10] [4]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-13-09
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Alistair to propose an approach to clarify which aspects of the extension module should be in scope for the candidate recommendation package. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action09] (CONTINUES) [5]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-14-43
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept Coordination) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09] [6]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-15-01
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Guus to add to Antoine's proposal for issue 71, a proposal for semantic relations between match relations and standard relations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action02] [7]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-15-29
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ben to clarify target date of publication of primer as note and update deliverables page [8]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-19-46
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in [9]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-20-32
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [10]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-29-45
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [11]
17:17:48 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-irc#T16-30-00
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