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20:55:28 <anne> Did Roy just restrict the term interoperability to stuff that has to do with servers and clients?
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21:07:47 <Philip> anne: It's just an alternate way of defining a term that has no inherent technical meaning
21:14:34 <mjs> it's a definition that would make the term "interoperability" inapplicable to pure peer-to-peer protocols like IP or Ethernet
21:14:47 <mjs> (since they have no concept of clients or servers)
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21:16:31 <Philip> mjs: Those protocols still involve one person sending messages to another person, and both people having to agree on the interpretation of that message
21:16:49 <Philip> Interoperability between web browsers is quite different, since browsers never talk to each other
21:17:29 <Philip> and so you might choose to call the thing betwen browsers something other than "interoperability", to avoid overloading the term
21:18:42 <mjs> Ethernet hosts only directly interoperate with the physical link between them
21:18:50 <mjs> indirectly, they need to interpret messages the same way
21:18:59 <mjs> similarly, web browsers only directly interoperate with web content
21:19:11 <mjs> but indirectly, they need to interpret web content in the same way
21:20:15 <mjs> if interoperabiity is only taken to mean interoperability that is in some sense "direct", then how could the IETF "multiple interoperable implementations" requirement be satisfied for all conformance classes, in cases where clients and servers are strictly separate?
21:20:50 <mjs> you could never say two http servers are interoperable for instance
21:21:24 <mjs> where it seems to me that two different clients each talking to two different servers and behaving consistently is what is intended
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