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15:31:22 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
15:31:29 <Steven> zakim, this will be rdfa
15:31:29 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 29 minutes
15:31:50 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly RDFa TF Teleconference
15:31:54 <Steven> Chair: Ben
15:31:56 <Steven> SCribe: Steven
15:32:00 <Steven> s/SC/Sc/
15:33:25 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0144
15:33:32 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0144
15:34:00 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:34:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
15:34:39 <Steven> -> Previous http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html
15:34:46 <Steven> -> Previous http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html
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15:34:59 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:34:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
15:37:11 <Steven> Regrets: Michael
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16:01:30 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
16:01:37 <Zakim> +ShaneM
16:01:44 <ShaneM> eager beaver
16:01:51 <msporny> =P
16:01:53 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
16:01:53 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:01:54 <Zakim> +Steven
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16:02:05 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?
16:02:05 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.
16:02:10 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
16:02:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:02:13 <Zakim> +Ralph
16:02:28 <Zakim> +??P6
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16:02:43 <Zakim> +??P8
16:02:47 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am p8
16:02:47 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'p8'
16:02:53 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P6
16:02:53 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
16:02:55 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?p8
16:02:55 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named '?p8'
16:03:04 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ??P8
16:03:04 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
16:04:32 <Zakim> +benadida
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16:05:29 <benadida> zakim, who's on the call?
16:05:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven, Ralph, msporny, markbirbeck, benadida
16:05:55 <Steven> Topic: Actions
16:06:46 <Ralph> yay Manu, Shane, & Mark!
16:07:04 <Steven> Ben: THanks all for what you did when I was away
16:07:08 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
16:07:36 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Manu create unit test to make sure that rel=":foo" generates a triple. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
16:07:48 <Steven> --done
16:09:36 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-rdfa-syntax-20080221/#s_xhtmlrdfa
16:09:53 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-rdfa-syntax-20080221/#col_Metainformation
16:10:09 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/#s_metaAttributes
16:10:37 <Steven> Mark: I think part of the test is wrong
16:10:47 <Steven> Manu: We'll review it later
16:10:58 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Manu let Michael know that Test 76, 77, and 87 are missing stylesheet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
16:11:08 <Steven> --done
16:11:09 <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Manu write a response to Christian Hoertnagl for issue 7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
16:11:13 <Steven> --continues
16:11:41 <Steven> Ben: Pass it back to me if you want
16:11:43 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:11:59 <Steven> --continues
16:12:02 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:12:07 <Steven> --continues
16:12:14 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
16:12:28 <Steven> Ben: Maintaining xml:lang on some literals?
16:12:31 <Steven> -- continues
16:12:37 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
16:12:39 <Steven> --done
16:12:47 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:12:52 <Steven> --continues
16:14:10 <Ralph> Steven: I do recommend that people read the post with the SXSW dinner proposal -- it talks about microformats
16:16:28 <Steven> Ben: Digg really want to do RDFa!
16:16:37 <Steven> ... will be there in a couple of weeks
16:21:14 <Steven> Topic: Test Case Status
16:21:30 <Steven> Manu: We have 6 outstanding tests
16:21:32 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
16:22:42 <Ralph> -- test 84; multiple ways of handling incomplete triples, this time with both @rel and @re
16:23:37 <Steven> s/and @re/and @rev/
16:24:43 <Steven> Ben: Looks OK
16:25:08 <Steven> Mark: Fine
16:25:09 <Steven> Manu: Mee too
16:25:15 <Steven> s/Mee/Me/
16:25:31 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Test 84 is OK
16:25:41 <Steven> Manu: Test 85
16:25:53 <Steven> ... @resource and @href in completing incomplete triples
16:26:59 <Steven> ... this passes all three implementations
16:27:30 <benadida> <a href="o" property="p">xxx</a>
16:27:48 <benadida> o p "xxx" .
16:28:06 <benadida> <a rel="p2" href="o" property="p">xxx</a>.
16:28:28 <Steven> Ben: THis means that the subject changes
16:28:33 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
16:28:50 <Steven> ... from o to the about property
16:29:09 <Steven> Mark: Hmm, shame; that wasn't intentional
16:29:35 <Steven> ... too late to change it now
16:29:44 <Steven> Ben: At first it bothered me
16:29:51 <Steven> ... but I got used to it
16:30:00 <Steven> ... you just have to watch out
16:30:49 <Steven> Ben: The test looks good
16:31:02 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Test 85 passes
16:31:36 <Steven> Manu: Test #89 (unreviewed): @src sets a new subject (@instanceof)
16:32:33 <Steven> Manu: Passes the three implementations
16:32:39 <Steven> Ben: Does that include mine?
16:32:42 <Steven> Manu: No
16:33:01 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Test 89 passes
16:33:55 <Steven> Manu: Test #90 (unreviewed): @src sets a new subject (@rel/@href)
16:35:18 <Steven> Mark: Is "next" good here?
16:35:21 <Steven> Steven: I like it
16:35:34 <Steven> Mark: Or @resource instead of @href
16:35:54 <Steven> Manu: Well, this one works
16:36:24 <Steven> Ralph: Mark is talking about best practices
16:36:51 <Steven> Mark: rel="alternate" might be better
16:37:18 <Steven> ... or rel="licence"
16:37:25 <Steven> Ben: I like it!
16:37:45 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Test 90 to be modified as above
16:38:18 <Steven> Mark: Ben, is rel="licence"equivalent to cc:licence
16:38:22 <Steven> Ben: We do support it
16:38:44 <Steven> ... we may want to make xhtml:licence a subclass of dc:licence
16:40:23 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Test 9 0is accepted with the changes
16:40:30 <Steven> s/ 0/0 /
16:40:43 <Steven> [end of test for this week]
16:40:56 <Steven> Mark: If you change it to cc:licence, then I support @href here
16:41:06 <Ralph> s/the changes/changes to @rel="license" and @href="<some CC license>"/
16:41:07 <Steven> ... so it can be a clickable link
16:41:57 <Ralph> -> http://rdfa.info/2008/02/23/yahoo-microsearch-supports-rdfa/ Yahoo Microsearch supports RDFa
16:44:44 <Steven> Topic: Yahoo
16:44:52 <Steven> Steven: See the rdfa.info blog
16:45:03 <Steven> ... Yahoo supporting RDFa, pretty neat
16:45:23 <Steven> ... Micah Dubinko has been talking to me for sometime about RDFa, but I didn't realise why
16:45:28 <Steven> Topic: Issues
16:45:43 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/87
16:46:18 <Steven> Ben: There is an old use of src
16:46:24 <Steven> ... I think the fix is obvious
16:46:33 <Steven> ... move the relto the parent div
16:46:39 <Steven> s/rel/rel /
16:47:48 <Steven> Shane: We need to track if each change is editorial or substantive
16:47:58 <Steven> ... it doesn't change the spec
16:48:05 <Steven> ... it was a typo
16:48:20 <Steven> ... though it is in a normative section
16:48:32 <Steven> Shane: All examples though are informative
16:49:15 <Steven> ... remember that substantive changes might trigger a new last call
16:49:55 <Steven> s/... it doesn't/Ben: It doesn't/
16:50:51 <Steven> ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87
16:51:02 <Steven> Ben Issue 88
16:51:08 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/88
16:51:14 <Steven> s/Ben/Ben: /
16:51:37 <Steven> Mark: Just requires to reorder the three bullets
16:51:47 <Steven> ... I moved the third to the top
16:51:54 <Steven> ... wihtout changing the wording
16:52:01 <Steven> s/wiht/with/
16:53:12 <Steven> Ralph: This looks substantive
16:53:44 <Steven> Mark: If you take all three rules together, the intent is clear
16:54:00 <Steven> ... it depends if you take them as steps or rules
16:54:54 <Ralph> s/substantive/substantive if it's not otherwise clear what we intended/
16:54:56 <Steven> Ben: This is just a clarification of our intent
16:55:08 <Steven> Steven: Which is not strictly substantive
16:55:25 <Steven> ACTION: Mark to reply and process issue 88
16:56:00 <Steven> Ben: let us do other by mail, since we have other topics for today
16:56:07 <Steven> s/other/others/
16:56:25 <Steven> Topic: Implementation Report and Status
16:57:09 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0123.html "[RDFa Implementation Report] Using EARL?" [Michael 2008-02-27]
16:57:09 <Steven> Ben: An implementation report is just "here are a bunch of implementations, and they pass the tests?
16:57:16 <Steven> s/?/'?"/
16:57:27 <Steven> Steven: Yes
16:57:46 <Steven> Ralph: We don't have to list all implementations we know
16:57:51 <Steven> Steven: Two is enough
16:57:55 <Steven> Shane: We are already done
16:58:09 <Steven> Ralph: Nice to have some outside the TF though
16:58:24 <Steven> Ben: Michael seems to have this in hand
16:58:32 <Steven> hand
16:58:35 <Steven> q-
16:59:50 <Steven> Ben: The primer needs a review and update
17:00:06 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/ RDFa Primer
17:00:17 <Ralph> Steven: I've heard people ask for a cookbook
17:00:27 <Ralph> ... showing how to do vCard, etc.
17:00:36 <Steven> Ben: Do it on the wiki
17:00:54 <Steven> Steven: That would work
17:00:58 <Ralph> [I support doing cookbook examples via wiki]
17:01:22 <Steven> Ben: I'm happy working  on the primer
17:01:30 <Steven> ... but please join me if you want
17:01:37 <Ralph> q+ to ask about editors' draft
17:03:08 <Steven> i/Ben: The primer/Topic: Primer/
17:03:29 <Steven> ack r
17:03:29 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask about editors' draft
17:03:57 <Steven> Ralph: We need a quick update so that it matches the last call
17:04:05 <ShaneM> +1
17:04:07 <Steven> ... improvements can come later
17:04:27 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xhtml-rdfa-primer-20071026/
17:05:31 <Steven> Ben: That's the most revent version
17:05:39 <Steven> s/revent/recent/
17:05:42 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
17:06:02 <benadida> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/primer/
17:06:37 <Steven> ACTION: Ben to update the primer
17:10:20 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
17:10:55 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
17:10:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
17:10:59 <Zakim> -msporny
17:11:00 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
17:11:23 <Steven> zakim, list participants
17:11:23 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ShaneM, Steven, Ralph, msporny, markbirbeck, benadida
17:11:29 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
17:11:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
17:18:26 <Zakim> -ShaneM
17:18:48 <Zakim> -Steven
17:30:52 <Zakim> -Ralph
17:30:54 <Zakim> -benadida
17:30:55 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
17:30:56 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, Steven, Ralph, msporny, markbirbeck, benadida
19:09:04 <Ralph> zakim, bye
19:09:04 <Zakim> Zakim has left #rdfa
19:09:46 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
19:09:46 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-actions.rdf :
19:09:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [1]
19:09:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-irc#T16-50-51
19:09:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark to reply and process issue 88 [2]
19:09:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-irc#T16-55-25
19:09:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to update the primer [3]
19:09:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-irc#T17-06-37