IRC log of rdfa on 2008-02-28

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-irc
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rrsagent, make log public
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zakim, this will be rdfa
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ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 29 minutes
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Meeting: Weekly RDFa TF Teleconference
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Chair: Ben
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SCribe: Steven
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s/SC/Sc/
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0144
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Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0144
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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-> Previous http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html
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-> Previous http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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Regrets: Michael
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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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+ShaneM
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eager beaver
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=P
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zakim, dial steven-617
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ok, Steven; the call is being made
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+Steven
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zakim, codes?
16:02:05 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.
16:02:10 [markbirbeck]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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+Ralph
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+??P6
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+??P8
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zakim, i am p8
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sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'p8'
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zakim, I am ??P6
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+msporny; got it
16:02:55 [markbirbeck]
zakim, i am ?p8
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sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named '?p8'
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zakim, i am ??P8
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+markbirbeck; got it
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+benadida
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zakim, who's on the call?
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On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven, Ralph, msporny, markbirbeck, benadida
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Topic: Actions
16:06:46 [Ralph]
yay Manu, Shane, & Mark!
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Ben: THanks all for what you did when I was away
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s/TH/Th/
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[NEW] ACTION: Manu create unit test to make sure that rel=":foo" generates a triple. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
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--done
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-rdfa-syntax-20080221/#s_xhtmlrdfa
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-rdfa-syntax-20080221/#col_Metainformation
16:10:09 [ShaneM]
http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/#s_metaAttributes
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Mark: I think part of the test is wrong
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Manu: We'll review it later
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[NEW] ACTION: Manu let Michael know that Test 76, 77, and 87 are missing stylesheet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
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--done
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[NEW] ACTION: Manu write a response to Christian Hoertnagl for issue 7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
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--continues
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Ben: Pass it back to me if you want
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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--continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
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--continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
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Ben: Maintaining xml:lang on some literals?
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-- continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
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--done
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[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
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--continues
16:14:10 [Ralph]
Steven: I do recommend that people read the post with the SXSW dinner proposal -- it talks about microformats
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Ben: Digg really want to do RDFa!
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... will be there in a couple of weeks
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Topic: Test Case Status
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Manu: We have 6 outstanding tests
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http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
16:22:42 [Ralph]
-- test 84; multiple ways of handling incomplete triples, this time with both @rel and @re
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s/and @re/and @rev/
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Ben: Looks OK
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Mark: Fine
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Manu: Mee too
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s/Mee/Me/
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RESOLUTION: Test 84 is OK
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Manu: Test 85
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... @resource and @href in completing incomplete triples
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... this passes all three implementations
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<a href="o" property="p">xxx</a>
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o p "xxx" .
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<a rel="p2" href="o" property="p">xxx</a>.
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Ben: THis means that the subject changes
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s/TH/Th/
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... from o to the about property
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Mark: Hmm, shame; that wasn't intentional
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... too late to change it now
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Ben: At first it bothered me
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... but I got used to it
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... you just have to watch out
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Ben: The test looks good
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RESOLUTION: Test 85 passes
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Manu: Test #89 (unreviewed): @src sets a new subject (@instanceof)
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Manu: Passes the three implementations
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Ben: Does that include mine?
16:32:42 [Steven]
Manu: No
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RESOLUTION: Test 89 passes
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Manu: Test #90 (unreviewed): @src sets a new subject (@rel/@href)
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Mark: Is "next" good here?
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Steven: I like it
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Mark: Or @resource instead of @href
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Manu: Well, this one works
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Ralph: Mark is talking about best practices
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Mark: rel="alternate" might be better
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... or rel="licence"
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Ben: I like it!
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RESOLUTION: Test 90 to be modified as above
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Mark: Ben, is rel="licence"equivalent to cc:licence
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Ben: We do support it
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... we may want to make xhtml:licence a subclass of dc:licence
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RESOLUTION: Test 9 0is accepted with the changes
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s/ 0/0 /
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[end of test for this week]
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Mark: If you change it to cc:licence, then I support @href here
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s/the changes/changes to @rel="license" and @href="<some CC license>"/
16:41:07 [Steven]
... so it can be a clickable link
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-> http://rdfa.info/2008/02/23/yahoo-microsearch-supports-rdfa/ Yahoo Microsearch supports RDFa
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Topic: Yahoo
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Steven: See the rdfa.info blog
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... Yahoo supporting RDFa, pretty neat
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... Micah Dubinko has been talking to me for sometime about RDFa, but I didn't realise why
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Topic: Issues
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/87
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Ben: There is an old use of src
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... I think the fix is obvious
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... move the relto the parent div
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s/rel/rel /
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Shane: We need to track if each change is editorial or substantive
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... it doesn't change the spec
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... it was a typo
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... though it is in a normative section
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Shane: All examples though are informative
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... remember that substantive changes might trigger a new last call
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s/... it doesn't/Ben: It doesn't/
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ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87
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Ben Issue 88
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/88
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s/Ben/Ben: /
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Mark: Just requires to reorder the three bullets
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... I moved the third to the top
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... wihtout changing the wording
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s/wiht/with/
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Ralph: This looks substantive
16:53:44 [Steven]
Mark: If you take all three rules together, the intent is clear
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... it depends if you take them as steps or rules
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s/substantive/substantive if it's not otherwise clear what we intended/
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Ben: This is just a clarification of our intent
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Steven: Which is not strictly substantive
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ACTION: Mark to reply and process issue 88
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Ben: let us do other by mail, since we have other topics for today
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s/other/others/
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Topic: Implementation Report and Status
16:57:09 [Ralph]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0123.html "[RDFa Implementation Report] Using EARL?" [Michael 2008-02-27]
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Ben: An implementation report is just "here are a bunch of implementations, and they pass the tests?
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s/?/'?"/
16:57:27 [Steven]
Steven: Yes
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Ralph: We don't have to list all implementations we know
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Steven: Two is enough
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Shane: We are already done
16:58:09 [Steven]
Ralph: Nice to have some outside the TF though
16:58:24 [Steven]
Ben: Michael seems to have this in hand
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hand
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q-
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Ben: The primer needs a review and update
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-> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/ RDFa Primer
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Steven: I've heard people ask for a cookbook
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... showing how to do vCard, etc.
17:00:36 [Steven]
Ben: Do it on the wiki
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Steven: That would work
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[I support doing cookbook examples via wiki]
17:01:22 [Steven]
Ben: I'm happy working on the primer
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... but please join me if you want
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q+ to ask about editors' draft
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i/Ben: The primer/Topic: Primer/
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ack r
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Ralph, you wanted to ask about editors' draft
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Ralph: We need a quick update so that it matches the last call
17:04:05 [ShaneM]
+1
17:04:07 [Steven]
... improvements can come later
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xhtml-rdfa-primer-20071026/
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Ben: That's the most revent version
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s/revent/recent/
17:05:42 [Ralph]
http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
17:06:02 [benadida]
http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/primer/
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ACTION: Ben to update the primer
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[ADJOURN]
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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-msporny
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-markbirbeck
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zakim, list participants
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As of this point the attendees have been ShaneM, Steven, Ralph, msporny, markbirbeck, benadida
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rrsagent, make minutes
17:11:29 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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-ShaneM
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-Steven
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-Ralph
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-benadida
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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were ShaneM, Steven, Ralph, msporny, markbirbeck, benadida
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-irc#T16-50-51
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ACTION: Mark to reply and process issue 88 [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-irc#T16-55-25
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ACTION: Ben to update the primer [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-irc#T17-06-37