IRC log of wai-wcag on 2008-02-21
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc
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- RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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- RRSAgent, make log world
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- zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- ok, Ben, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008JanMar/0078.html
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- +Matt_May
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +??P6
- 21:01:02 [Ben]
- zakim, ??P6 is is Ben_Caldwell
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- I don't understand '??P6 is is Ben_Caldwell', Ben
- 21:01:23 [bengt]
- too many is
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- +??P9
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- zakim, ??P9 is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- + +0154558aaaa
- 21:03:24 [GreggVan]
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- agenda+ Unanimous/Editorial Changes motions
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- agenda+ Teitac-Related Proposals for 21 Feb 2008
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- zakim, ??P6 is Ben_Caldwell
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- +Ben_Caldwell; got it
- 21:03:58 [Ben]
- agenda+ Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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- + +1.301.779.aabb
- 21:04:05 [Ben]
- agenda+ Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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- agenda+ Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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- + +1.240.855.aacc
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 21 Feb 2008
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:04:24 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P2, Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +0154558aaaa, +1.301.779.aabb, +1.240.855.aacc
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- zakim, Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
- 21:04:51 [David_MacDonald]
- scribe: David_MacDonald
- 21:04:56 [Ben]
- Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
- 21:05:14 [Ben]
- zakim, ??P2 is Tim_Boland
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- +Tim_Boland; got it
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- + +1.321.632.aadd
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- +??P16
- 21:05:49 [Christophe]
- zakim, +1.321.6 is Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
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- zakim, ??P16 is Makoto_Ueki
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- +Makoto_Ueki; got it
- 21:05:59 [Ben]
- zakim, +1.301.779.aabb is probably Tim_Boland
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- +Tim_Boland?; got it
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- +??P17
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- +Alex_Li
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- zakim, ??P17 is Bengt_Farre
- 21:06:40 [Zakim]
- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 21:06:41 [Ben]
- zakim, Tim_Boland is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- sorry, Ben, I do not recognize a party named 'Tim_Boland'
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:06:53 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +0154558aaaa, Tim_Boland?, +1.240.855.aacc, Christophe_Strobbe,
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- ... Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li
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- Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- zakim, Tim_Boland is Katie_Haritos_Shea
- 21:07:09 [Zakim]
- sorry, Ben, I do not recognize a party named 'Tim_Boland'
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- zakim, Tim_Boland? is Katie_Haritos_Shea
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- +Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
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- zakim, Tim_Boland is Timtemp
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- +Timtemp; got it
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- zakim, Katie_Haritos_Shea is Tim_Boland
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- +Tim_Boland; got it
- 21:08:59 [bengt]
- zakim Timtemp is Katie_Haritos_Shea
- 21:09:07 [bengt]
- zakim, Timtemp is Katie_Haritos_Shea
- 21:09:07 [Zakim]
- +Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
- 21:09:30 [Ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:09:30 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Katie_Haritos_Shea, Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +0154558aaaa, Tim_Boland, +1.240.855.aacc, Christophe_Strobbe,
- 21:09:33 [Zakim]
- ... Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li
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- Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
- 21:10:57 [Ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from Ben]
- 21:12:53 [Ben]
- zakim, +1.240.855.aacc is Bruce_Bailey
- 21:12:53 [Zakim]
- +Bruce_Bailey; got it
- 21:15:49 [David_MacDonald]
- Accept unanimous consent items
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- 1.1) Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008:
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- <http://tinyurl.com/3bzvza>
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- 2573, 2523, 2435, 2479, 2491, 2535, 2434, 2446, 2492,
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- 2444, 2462, 2497, 2499
- 21:15:57 [David_MacDonald]
- 1.2) Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
- 21:15:59 [David_MacDonald]
- <http://tinyurl.com/2t3b59>
- 21:16:00 [David_MacDonald]
- Revised Intent of SC 2.2.2; 2440, 2466, 2422, 2441, 2467,
- 21:16:02 [David_MacDonald]
- 2493, 2432, 2473, 2495, 2503, 2424, 2502, 2472, 2498,
- 21:16:03 [David_MacDonald]
- 2452, 2494, 2447, 2531, 2445, 2448, 2532, 2431
- 21:16:05 [David_MacDonald]
- 1.3) Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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- <http://tinyurl.com/34nr7r>
- 21:16:08 [David_MacDonald]
- 2584, 2585, 2586, 2413, 2481, 2482, 2483, 2533,
- 21:16:09 [David_MacDonald]
- 2534, 2536, Revised title and tests for C20
- 21:16:49 [Ben]
- zakim, clost this item
- 21:16:49 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'clost this item', Ben
- 21:16:54 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Ben
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- q?
- 21:17:39 [Ben]
- zakim, +0154558aaaa is Sean_Hayes
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- +Sean_Hayes; got it
- 21:17:54 [Ben]
- ack +
- 21:17:59 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
- 21:18:00 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 21:18:01 [Zakim]
- 2. Unanimous/Editorial Changes motions [from Ben]
- 21:18:03 [Ben]
- zakim, close agendum 2
- 21:18:03 [Zakim]
- agendum 2, Unanimous/Editorial Changes motions, closed
- 21:18:04 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 21:18:05 [Zakim]
- 3. Teitac-Related Proposals for 21 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
- 21:18:07 [Ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
- 21:18:07 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Teitac-Related Proposals for 21 Feb 2008" taken up [from Ben]
- 21:27:39 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2398, 2578 as amended
- 21:28:06 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept unanimous consent items.
- 21:28:59 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: Accept unanimous consent items.
- 21:29:00 [David_MacDonald]
- 1.1) Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008:
- 21:29:02 [David_MacDonald]
- <http://tinyurl.com/3bzvza>
- 21:29:03 [David_MacDonald]
- 2573, 2523, 2435, 2479, 2491, 2535, 2434, 2446, 2492,
- 21:29:05 [David_MacDonald]
- 2444, 2462, 2497, 2499
- 21:29:06 [David_MacDonald]
- 1.2) Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
- 21:29:08 [David_MacDonald]
- <http://tinyurl.com/2t3b59>
- 21:29:09 [David_MacDonald]
- Revised Intent of SC 2.2.2; 2440, 2466, 2422, 2441, 2467,
- 21:29:11 [David_MacDonald]
- 2493, 2432, 2473, 2495, 2503, 2424, 2502, 2472, 2498,
- 21:29:12 [David_MacDonald]
- 2452, 2494, 2447, 2531, 2445, 2448, 2532, 2431
- 21:29:14 [David_MacDonald]
- 1.3) Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
- 21:29:15 [David_MacDonald]
- <http://tinyurl.com/34nr7r>
- 21:29:17 [David_MacDonald]
- 2584, 2585, 2586, 2413, 2481, 2482, 2483, 2533,
- 21:29:18 [David_MacDonald]
- 2534, 2536, Revised title and tests for C20
- 21:35:34 [Loretta]
- q+
- 21:42:27 [David_MacDonald]
- Action: Sean, David, Loretta, Gregg, Andi, Ben to resolve wording of 1.4.2
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- Topic: 2561
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- q+
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- q-
- 21:50:27 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2561 as amended
- 21:51:27 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
- 21:51:27 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Ben
- 21:51:32 [Ben]
- q-
- 21:51:35 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
- 21:51:37 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 21:51:38 [Zakim]
- 4. Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
- 21:51:43 [Ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 4
- 21:51:43 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008" taken up [from Ben]
- 21:53:12 [Loretta]
- q+
- 21:53:23 [GreggVan]
- ack l
- 21:53:40 [David_MacDonald]
- q+
- 21:58:20 [Loretta]
- ack d
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- ack b
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- +??P0
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- zakim, ??P0 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- -Bengt_Farre
- 22:10:07 [Zakim]
- + +1.617.584.aaee
- 22:11:13 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: Issue 2393: Media exemption to 1.1.1
- 22:13:27 [David_MacDonald]
- q+
- 22:14:19 [Loretta]
- ack d
- 22:15:45 [David_MacDonald]
- resolution: leave 2393 open
- 22:16:23 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: change "Video" to "the video information" in 1.2.2
- 22:17:47 [David_MacDonald]
- topic: Issue 2490: GL 1.2 exceptions needed
- 22:23:19 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: keep 2490 open
- 22:23:53 [David_MacDonald]
- Action: Sean to work on 2490
- 22:28:06 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: Issue 2487: SC 1.2.1 not realistic
- 22:33:06 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2487 as amended
- 22:33:38 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: Issue 2488: SC 1.2.2 not realistic
- 22:33:59 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2488 as amended
- 22:34:57 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: Issue 2548: contrast ratio - generalised copy
- 22:35:26 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: Accept Issue 2548: contrast ratio - generalised copy as amended
- 22:35:38 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: 2443
- 22:40:01 [Loretta]
- ack k
- 22:43:00 [Zakim]
- - +1.617.584.aaee
- 22:43:38 [Zakim]
- + +1.617.584.aaff
- 22:51:55 [Zakim]
- - +1.617.584.aaff
- 22:52:31 [Loretta]
- Yes, that is right, David.
- 22:52:55 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: 2443 Not accept and let Loretta work on it.
- 22:54:00 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: Issue 2439: 1.4.5 wording can use some improvement
- 22:55:08 [GreggVan]
- If the technologies being used can achieve the visual designed by the author via text, text is used to convey information rather than images of text except for the following .
- 22:55:44 [GreggVan]
- If the technologies being used can achieve the visual design of the author via text, text is used to convey information rather than images of text except for the following .
- 22:59:02 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: Change 2439 to "accept" and approved as amended
- 22:59:56 [GreggVan]
- ack k
- 23:00:30 [Zakim]
- -Tim_Boland
- 23:01:05 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: Issue 2544: Visually customizable text
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- -Bengt_Farre.a
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- +??P0
- 23:06:18 [Christophe]
- Zakim, ?P0 is Christophe_Strobbe
- 23:06:18 [Zakim]
- sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named '?P0'
- 23:06:24 [Christophe]
- Zakim, P0 is Christophe_Strobbe
- 23:06:24 [Zakim]
- sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
- 23:06:32 [Ben]
- Zakim, ??P0 is Christophe_Strobbe
- 23:06:32 [Zakim]
- +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
- 23:11:12 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: Accept Issue 2544: Visually customizable text as amended
- 23:15:18 [Loretta]
- ack k
- 23:15:23 [GreggVan]
- ack k
- 23:21:52 [Nikolaos_Floratos]
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- 23:22:51 [David_MacDonald]
- Issue 2500: Criteria to evaluate essential things
- 23:22:58 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: Issue 2500: Criteria to evaluate essential things
- 23:28:50 [Zakim]
- -Christophe_Strobbe
- 23:29:08 [Zakim]
- + +0321632aagg
- 23:29:24 [Christophe]
- Zakim, +0321632 is Christophe_Strobbe
- 23:29:24 [Zakim]
- +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
- 23:31:51 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2500 as amended
- 23:32:17 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
- 23:32:17 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 closed
- 23:32:18 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 23:32:19 [Zakim]
- 5. Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
- 23:32:27 [Ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 5
- 23:32:27 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008" taken up [from Ben]
- 23:32:37 [David_MacDonald]
- Action: Sean to talk with Cynthia about 2500
- 23:34:33 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: 2395
- 23:36:41 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2395
- 23:39:11 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: 2504
- 23:39:31 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2504 as amended
- 23:46:54 [GreggVan]
- In content implemented using markup languages, elements have complete start and end tags, elements are nested according to their specifications, elements do not contain duplicate attributes, and any IDs are unique, except where the specifications allow these features
- 23:47:09 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2505 as amended
- 23:47:32 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
- 23:47:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 closed
- 23:47:33 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 23:47:34 [Zakim]
- 6. Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
- 23:47:35 [Ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 6
- 23:47:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008" taken up [from Ben]
- 23:47:44 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: 2539 accept as amended
- 23:48:42 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: Issue 2581: F3: Updated testing to allow Dojo
- 23:50:57 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2581 as amended
- 23:51:34 [David_MacDonald]
- action: Cynthia add specific language to F3 as per 2581 Cynthia's suggestion
- 23:52:38 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: Issue 2589:F42: Programmatically determine the role not explained
- 23:55:51 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2589 as amended
- 23:55:59 [David_MacDonald]
- topic: 2590
- 00:01:12 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: Accept 2590 as amended
- 00:01:20 [David_MacDonald]
- Topic: 2409
- 00:04:20 [Zakim]
- -Bruce_Bailey
- 00:05:11 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept 2409 as amended
- 00:06:55 [Ben]
- Present: Katie_Haritos_Shea, Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sean_Hayes, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Gregg_Vanderheiden
- 00:07:51 [Ben]
- Regrets: Sofia_Celic, Cynthia_Shelly, Roberto_Scano
- 00:08:01 [Zakim]
- -Katie_Haritos_Shea
- 00:08:03 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
- 00:08:03 [Zakim]
- agendum 6 closed
- 00:08:04 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
- 00:08:05 [Zakim]
- 7. Miscellaneous Proposals for 21 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
- 00:08:09 [Zakim]
- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
- 00:08:10 [Zakim]
- -Makoto_Ueki
- 00:08:10 [Zakim]
- -Matt_May
- 00:08:10 [Nikolaos_Floratos]
- Nikolaos_Floratos has left #wai-wcag
- 00:08:11 [Zakim]
- -David_MacDonald
- 00:08:12 [Zakim]
- -Sean_Hayes
- 00:08:13 [Zakim]
- -Ben_Caldwell
- 00:08:15 [Zakim]
- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 00:08:17 [Zakim]
- -Alex_Li
- 00:08:18 [Zakim]
- -Christophe_Strobbe
- 00:10:16 [Ben]
- Zakim, bye
- 00:10:16 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_Vanderheiden, +1.321.632.aadd, Andi_Snow_Weaver,
- 00:10:16 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #wai-wcag
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- ... Christophe_Strobbe, Makoto_Ueki, Alex_Li, Bengt_Farre, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Bruce_Bailey, Sean_Hayes, +1.617.584.aaee, +1.617.584.aaff, +0321632aagg
- 00:10:40 [Ben]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
- 00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sean, David, Loretta, Gregg, Andi, Ben to resolve wording of 1.4.2 [1]
- 00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc#T21-42-27
- 00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sean to work on 2490 [2]
- 00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc#T22-23-53
- 00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sean to talk with Cynthia about 2500 [3]
- 00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc#T23-32-37
- 00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Cynthia add specific language to F3 as per 2581 Cynthia's suggestion [4]
- 00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc#T23-51-34