IRC log of wai-wcag on 2008-02-21

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc
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RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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RRSAgent, make log world
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zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, Ben, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008JanMar/0078.html
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+Matt_May
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+David_MacDonald
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+??P6
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zakim, ??P6 is is Ben_Caldwell
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I don't understand '??P6 is is Ben_Caldwell', Ben
21:01:23 [bengt]
too many is
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+??P9
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zakim, ??P9 is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+ +0154558aaaa
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Unanimous/Editorial Changes motions
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agenda+ Teitac-Related Proposals for 21 Feb 2008
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zakim, ??P6 is Ben_Caldwell
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
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agenda+ Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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+ +1.301.779.aabb
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agenda+ Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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agenda+ Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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+ +1.240.855.aacc
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agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 21 Feb 2008
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zakim, who is on the phone?
21:04:24 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P2, Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +0154558aaaa, +1.301.779.aabb, +1.240.855.aacc
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zakim, Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
21:04:51 [David_MacDonald]
scribe: David_MacDonald
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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zakim, ??P2 is Tim_Boland
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+Tim_Boland; got it
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+ +1.321.632.aadd
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+Andi_Snow_Weaver
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+??P16
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zakim, +1.321.6 is Christophe_Strobbe
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+Christophe_Strobbe; got it
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zakim, ??P16 is Makoto_Ueki
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+Makoto_Ueki; got it
21:05:59 [Ben]
zakim, +1.301.779.aabb is probably Tim_Boland
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+Tim_Boland?; got it
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+??P17
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+Alex_Li
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zakim, ??P17 is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
21:06:41 [Ben]
zakim, Tim_Boland is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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sorry, Ben, I do not recognize a party named 'Tim_Boland'
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +0154558aaaa, Tim_Boland?, +1.240.855.aacc, Christophe_Strobbe,
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... Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li
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Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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zakim, Tim_Boland is Katie_Haritos_Shea
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sorry, Ben, I do not recognize a party named 'Tim_Boland'
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zakim, Tim_Boland? is Katie_Haritos_Shea
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+Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
21:08:41 [Ben]
zakim, Tim_Boland is Timtemp
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+Timtemp; got it
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zakim, Katie_Haritos_Shea is Tim_Boland
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+Tim_Boland; got it
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zakim Timtemp is Katie_Haritos_Shea
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zakim, Timtemp is Katie_Haritos_Shea
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+Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
21:09:30 [Ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:09:30 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Katie_Haritos_Shea, Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +0154558aaaa, Tim_Boland, +1.240.855.aacc, Christophe_Strobbe,
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... Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li
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Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:10:57 [Ben]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from Ben]
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zakim, +1.240.855.aacc is Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey; got it
21:15:49 [David_MacDonald]
Accept unanimous consent items
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1.1) Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008:
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<http://tinyurl.com/3bzvza>
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2573, 2523, 2435, 2479, 2491, 2535, 2434, 2446, 2492,
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2444, 2462, 2497, 2499
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1.2) Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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<http://tinyurl.com/2t3b59>
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Revised Intent of SC 2.2.2; 2440, 2466, 2422, 2441, 2467,
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2493, 2432, 2473, 2495, 2503, 2424, 2502, 2472, 2498,
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2452, 2494, 2447, 2531, 2445, 2448, 2532, 2431
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1.3) Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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<http://tinyurl.com/34nr7r>
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2584, 2585, 2586, 2413, 2481, 2482, 2483, 2533,
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2534, 2536, Revised title and tests for C20
21:16:49 [Ben]
zakim, clost this item
21:16:49 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'clost this item', Ben
21:16:54 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
21:16:54 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Ben
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q?
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zakim, +0154558aaaa is Sean_Hayes
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+Sean_Hayes; got it
21:17:54 [Ben]
ack +
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
21:18:00 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Unanimous/Editorial Changes motions [from Ben]
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zakim, close agendum 2
21:18:03 [Zakim]
agendum 2, Unanimous/Editorial Changes motions, closed
21:18:04 [Zakim]
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:18:05 [Zakim]
3. Teitac-Related Proposals for 21 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Teitac-Related Proposals for 21 Feb 2008" taken up [from Ben]
21:27:39 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2398, 2578 as amended
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Resolution: accept unanimous consent items.
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Resolution: Accept unanimous consent items.
21:29:00 [David_MacDonald]
1.1) Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008:
21:29:02 [David_MacDonald]
<http://tinyurl.com/3bzvza>
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2573, 2523, 2435, 2479, 2491, 2535, 2434, 2446, 2492,
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2444, 2462, 2497, 2499
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1.2) Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
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<http://tinyurl.com/2t3b59>
21:29:09 [David_MacDonald]
Revised Intent of SC 2.2.2; 2440, 2466, 2422, 2441, 2467,
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2493, 2432, 2473, 2495, 2503, 2424, 2502, 2472, 2498,
21:29:12 [David_MacDonald]
2452, 2494, 2447, 2531, 2445, 2448, 2532, 2431
21:29:14 [David_MacDonald]
1.3) Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
21:29:15 [David_MacDonald]
<http://tinyurl.com/34nr7r>
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2584, 2585, 2586, 2413, 2481, 2482, 2483, 2533,
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2534, 2536, Revised title and tests for C20
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q+
21:42:27 [David_MacDonald]
Action: Sean, David, Loretta, Gregg, Andi, Ben to resolve wording of 1.4.2
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Topic: 2561
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q+
21:48:38 [Loretta]
q-
21:50:27 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2561 as amended
21:51:27 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
21:51:27 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Ben
21:51:32 [Ben]
q-
21:51:35 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
21:51:37 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008" taken up [from Ben]
21:53:12 [Loretta]
q+
21:53:23 [GreggVan]
ack l
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q+
21:58:20 [Loretta]
ack d
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ack b
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+??P0
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zakim, ??P0 is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
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-Bengt_Farre
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+ +1.617.584.aaee
22:11:13 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: Issue 2393: Media exemption to 1.1.1
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q+
22:14:19 [Loretta]
ack d
22:15:45 [David_MacDonald]
resolution: leave 2393 open
22:16:23 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: change "Video" to "the video information" in 1.2.2
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topic: Issue 2490: GL 1.2 exceptions needed
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Resolution: keep 2490 open
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Action: Sean to work on 2490
22:28:06 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: Issue 2487: SC 1.2.1 not realistic
22:33:06 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2487 as amended
22:33:38 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: Issue 2488: SC 1.2.2 not realistic
22:33:59 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2488 as amended
22:34:57 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: Issue 2548: contrast ratio - generalised copy
22:35:26 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: Accept Issue 2548: contrast ratio - generalised copy as amended
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Topic: 2443
22:40:01 [Loretta]
ack k
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- +1.617.584.aaee
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+ +1.617.584.aaff
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- +1.617.584.aaff
22:52:31 [Loretta]
Yes, that is right, David.
22:52:55 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: 2443 Not accept and let Loretta work on it.
22:54:00 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: Issue 2439: 1.4.5 wording can use some improvement
22:55:08 [GreggVan]
If the technologies being used can achieve the visual designed by the author via text, text is used to convey information rather than images of text except for the following .
22:55:44 [GreggVan]
If the technologies being used can achieve the visual design of the author via text, text is used to convey information rather than images of text except for the following .
22:59:02 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: Change 2439 to "accept" and approved as amended
22:59:56 [GreggVan]
ack k
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-Tim_Boland
23:01:05 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: Issue 2544: Visually customizable text
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-Bengt_Farre.a
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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+??P0
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Zakim, ?P0 is Christophe_Strobbe
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sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named '?P0'
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Zakim, P0 is Christophe_Strobbe
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sorry, Christophe, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
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Zakim, ??P0 is Christophe_Strobbe
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+Christophe_Strobbe; got it
23:11:12 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: Accept Issue 2544: Visually customizable text as amended
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ack k
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ack k
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Issue 2500: Criteria to evaluate essential things
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Topic: Issue 2500: Criteria to evaluate essential things
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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+ +0321632aagg
23:29:24 [Christophe]
Zakim, +0321632 is Christophe_Strobbe
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+Christophe_Strobbe; got it
23:31:51 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2500 as amended
23:32:17 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
23:32:17 [Zakim]
agendum 4 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
23:32:19 [Zakim]
5. Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
23:32:27 [Ben]
zakim, take up agendum 5
23:32:27 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008" taken up [from Ben]
23:32:37 [David_MacDonald]
Action: Sean to talk with Cynthia about 2500
23:34:33 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: 2395
23:36:41 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2395
23:39:11 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: 2504
23:39:31 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2504 as amended
23:46:54 [GreggVan]
In content implemented using markup languages, elements have complete start and end tags, elements are nested according to their specifications, elements do not contain duplicate attributes, and any IDs are unique, except where the specifications allow these features
23:47:09 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2505 as amended
23:47:32 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
23:47:32 [Zakim]
agendum 5 closed
23:47:33 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
23:47:34 [Zakim]
6. Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
23:47:35 [Ben]
zakim, take up agendum 6
23:47:35 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008" taken up [from Ben]
23:47:44 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: 2539 accept as amended
23:48:42 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: Issue 2581: F3: Updated testing to allow Dojo
23:50:57 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2581 as amended
23:51:34 [David_MacDonald]
action: Cynthia add specific language to F3 as per 2581 Cynthia's suggestion
23:52:38 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: Issue 2589:F42: Programmatically determine the role not explained
23:55:51 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2589 as amended
23:55:59 [David_MacDonald]
topic: 2590
00:01:12 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: Accept 2590 as amended
00:01:20 [David_MacDonald]
Topic: 2409
00:04:20 [Zakim]
-Bruce_Bailey
00:05:11 [David_MacDonald]
Resolution: accept 2409 as amended
00:06:55 [Ben]
Present: Katie_Haritos_Shea, Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sean_Hayes, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey, Christophe_Strobbe, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Makoto_Ueki, Bengt_Farre, Alex_Li, Gregg_Vanderheiden
00:07:51 [Ben]
Regrets: Sofia_Celic, Cynthia_Shelly, Roberto_Scano
00:08:01 [Zakim]
-Katie_Haritos_Shea
00:08:03 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
00:08:03 [Zakim]
agendum 6 closed
00:08:04 [Zakim]
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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7. Miscellaneous Proposals for 21 Feb 2008 [from Ben]
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
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-Makoto_Ueki
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-Matt_May
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Nikolaos_Floratos has left #wai-wcag
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-David_MacDonald
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-Sean_Hayes
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-Ben_Caldwell
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Alex_Li
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-Christophe_Strobbe
00:10:16 [Ben]
Zakim, bye
00:10:16 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were Matt_May, David_MacDonald, Roberto_Ellero, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_Vanderheiden, +1.321.632.aadd, Andi_Snow_Weaver,
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... Christophe_Strobbe, Makoto_Ueki, Alex_Li, Bengt_Farre, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Bruce_Bailey, Sean_Hayes, +1.617.584.aaee, +1.617.584.aaff, +0321632aagg
00:10:40 [Ben]
RRSAgent, bye
00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Sean, David, Loretta, Gregg, Andi, Ben to resolve wording of 1.4.2 [1]
00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc#T21-42-27
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ACTION: Sean to work on 2490 [2]
00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc#T22-23-53
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ACTION: Sean to talk with Cynthia about 2500 [3]
00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc#T23-32-37
00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Cynthia add specific language to F3 as per 2581 Cynthia's suggestion [4]
00:10:40 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-wai-wcag-irc#T23-51-34