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02:37:18 hm, I predict that this is probably a wholly inappropriate place to mention this, but the last revision of Overview.html truncated the file in the middle (Changes since 1.425: +1 -30610 lines)
02:40:20 (referring to http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/ )
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10:03:26 are the video workshop minutes Member-only on purpose? I though they were supposed to be public after a review
10:09:20 hsivonen - URL?
10:10:02 MikeSmith: http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/minutes
10:10:28 linked from the w3.org front page
10:10:56 OK, I'll ask Philippe now
10:11:05 MikeSmith: thanks
10:16:14 hsivonen - Philippe's not online, so I went ahead and set it to public. The fact that it's linked to on the home page without a "[member only]" note seems to suggest it definitely was not intended to be member-only
10:16:18 thanks for the heads-up
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10:27:02 MikeSmith: thanks
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16:26:44 i apologize for initiating a bikeshed topic on public-html
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16:31:55 cite element? or something else, zcorpan ? (I keep forgetting the relationship between IRC nicks and email names)
16:32:14 DanC_lap: target=_blank
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16:48:12 zcorpan: I think it's a good discussion to have (target=_blank)
16:50:27 Julian: sure
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16:50:50 Julian: though, that thread seems to have turned into a bikeshed by now :)
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16:54:10 zcorpan: I admit I didn't read all of it.
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16:56:00 the _blank thread looks mostly healthy; I just wish some test-case-elves were following along.
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16:57:15 What kind of test case would help that thead?
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16:58:19 one where the input document has target="_blank" and the output is "conforming" or "non-conforming"
16:58:51 better if the input documents capture some use cases, such as gmail
16:59:49 the output could also be: new window allowed/required/forbidden
17:00:42 allowed + browser-makes-new-window = pass
17:00:50 allowed + brosers-uses-same-window = pass
17:01:00 required + browser-uses-same-window = fail
17:01:12 forbidden + browser-mades-new-window = fail
17:02:06 the thread isn't about what browsers do, but about whether _blank should be conforming for authors
17:02:07 it makes a WG decision straghtforward to phrase
17:02:25 dan: is the meeting happening now or have i got the times wrong?
17:02:30 oops
17:02:31 Ditto
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17:02:43 RRSAgent, pointer?
17:02:43 See http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-html-wg-irc#T17-02-43
17:02:46 Zakim, this is html
17:02:46 ok, DanC_lap; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
17:02:52 Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:02:52 On the phone I see +1.218.340.aaaa, +1.858.354.aabb, +1.212.830.aacc, ??P2, [Microsoft], +049251280aaee
17:03:03 Zakim, call DanC-BOS
17:03:03 ok, DanC_lap; the call is being made
17:03:05 Zakim, +049251280aaee is me
17:03:05 +DanC
17:03:07 +Julian; got it
17:03:13 zakim, microsoft is me
17:03:13 +ChrisWilson; got it
17:03:30 +??P6
17:03:43 Zakim, ??P6 is SteveF
17:03:43 +SteveF; got it
17:04:13 Zakim, aaaa is Laura
17:04:13 +Laura; got it
17:04:23 Zakim, aabb is Jerry_S
17:04:23 +Jerry_S; got it
17:04:36 Zakim, aacc is Dave_B
17:04:36 +Dave_B; got it
17:04:43 Gerrie Shults, not Jerry
17:05:31 agenda + Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-02-21T17:00:00Z
17:05:36 Zakim, take up item 1
17:05:36 agendum 1. "Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-02-21T17:00:00Z" taken up [from DanC_lap]
17:06:27 Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:06:27 On the phone I see Laura, Jerry_S, Dave_B, ??P2, ChrisWilson, Julian, DanC, SteveF
17:07:00 Laura Carlson
17:07:34 Gerrie Shulte
17:07:44 Gerrie Shults
17:07:47 Gerrie Shults / HP
17:08:12 David Bills
17:08:28 agenda + SQL statement support [Dave_B]
17:08:46 Zakim, ??P2 is Josh
17:08:46 +Josh; got it
17:09:02 Joshue O Connor
17:10:26 Steve Faulkner
17:11:00 agenda + orientation, process
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17:11:25 agenda + ISSUE-31 missing-alt
17:11:41 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
17:12:01 agenda + ISSUE-34 commonality
17:12:22 agenda + ISSUE-35 aria-processing
17:12:41 agenda 2 = ISSUE-36 client-side-storage-sql
17:12:56 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/open
17:13:28 is issue ISSUE-14 aira-role the same as issue-35?
17:14:06 agenda 6 = ISSUE-35 aria-processing , ISSUE-14 aira-role
17:15:39 agenda + semantic elements (cite thread, etc.) ACTION-48
17:16:16 agenda + canvas mailing list (which action?)
17:16:30 Zakim, agenda?
17:16:30 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
17:16:31 1. Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-02-21T17:00:00Z [from DanC_lap]
17:16:34 2. ISSUE-36 client-side-storage-sql
17:16:36 3. orientation, process [from DanC_lap]
17:16:37 4. ISSUE-31 missing-alt [from DanC_lap]
17:16:38 5. ISSUE-34 commonality [from DanC_lap]
17:16:39 6. ISSUE-35 aria-processing , ISSUE-14 aira-role
17:16:40 7. semantic elements (cite thread, etc.) ACTION-48 [from DanC_lap]
17:16:42 8. canvas mailing list (which action?) [from DanC_lap]
17:17:06 agenda + ISSUE-32 table-summary
17:17:45 next meeting 28 Feb, Chris W. to chair (4pm Pacific time)
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17:18:10 dan: for issue 35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Feb/0275.html
17:18:16 Zakim, next item
17:18:16 agendum 2. "ISSUE-36 client-side-storage-sql" taken up
17:19:00 issue-36 is a design issue...
17:19:13 see also ISSUE-16 (edit)
17:19:13 offline-applications-sql
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17:19:59 issue-16 is a requirements/scope issue
17:20:28 Zakim, mute me
17:20:28 sorry, DanC_lap, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:20:32 Zakim, mute DanC
17:20:32 DanC should now be muted
17:21:08 Zakim, unmute DanC
17:21:08 DanC should no longer be muted
17:21:47 Dave, is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Feb/0288.html the message you're speaking of?
17:22:47 agrees with Dan - but doesn't understand if "SQL-lite" is descriptive enough to go with currently.
17:23:19 it's SQLite
17:23:42 sorry, someone else mis-typed in an email, and I haven't finished my first cup of coffee.
17:23:43 action-13?
17:23:43 ACTION-13 -- Chris Wilson to talk to WebAPI and WAF WGs about their role in offline API stuff and how they work with and contribute to the discussion -- due 2008-02-21 -- OPEN
17:23:43 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/13
17:23:52 What version of SQLite? Do we have to copy bugs from SQLite?
17:23:53 etc.
17:24:12 ChrisWilson, no need for apologies, just making sure everyone is talking about the same thing :)
17:24:23 close action-13
17:24:23 ACTION-13 Talk to WebAPI and WAF WGs about their role in offline API stuff and how they work with and contribute to the discussion closed
17:24:31 I guess the real question would be whether it would follow the feature set or actually implement the actual code
17:24:42 So Anne, since you're not on the phone - the question is "is 'SQLite' a defined enough, interoperable spec to refer to?"
17:25:22 Probably not. As I said on the mailing list, the plan is to wait for two implementations and to define it then
17:25:24 ChrisWilson: SQLite supports most of SQL92 — I think requiring SQL92 support would be easier
17:25:36
17:25:53 You don't want all of SQL anyway, as some features don't make sense for client-side storage
17:26:26 (encodings, transactions, etc. should probably all be banned from the language as far as this API is concerned)
17:26:27 That's true, but it's probably better to define what we need in terms of SQL92 than any implementation
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17:26:55 I don't see why it needs to be in terms of something else, one more level of indirection
17:26:58 CW: I talked with Chaals about WebAPI/HTML boundaries... they're being re-chartered...
17:27:14 CW: I think we can find editors too...
17:27:32 anne: I agree
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17:28:41 ACTION: Dan check for offline api stuff in WebAPI proposed charter
17:28:41 Created ACTION-53 - Check for offline api stuff in WebAPI proposed charter [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-02-28].
17:28:59 IRC is go ;-)
17:29:15 Zakim, next item
17:29:15 agendum 3. "orientation, process" taken up [from DanC_lap]
17:29:37 agrees with anne - I'd rather NOT have a level of indirection, unless the redirection is to a very definitive specification.
17:29:50 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/tasks83/results
17:30:35 Extensible HyperText Markup Language Vocabulary namespace
17:31:02 Zakim, next item
17:31:02 agendum 4. "ISSUE-31 missing-alt" taken up [from DanC_lap]
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17:31:22 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
17:33:18 -SteveF
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17:33:41 a periodic survey of top web sites
17:33:51 * M. Jackson Wilkinson
17:33:51 * Sean Fraser
17:33:51 * Terry Morris
17:33:51 * Serdar Kiliç
17:33:52 * Rene Saarsoo
17:33:54 * Patrick Taylor
17:33:55 +??P6
17:33:56 * Roman Kitainik
17:33:58 * James VanDyke
17:34:00 * Craig Saila
17:34:02 * Michael Turnwall
17:34:04 * Benjamin Hedrington
17:34:06 * Karl Dubost
17:34:08 * Marco Battilana
17:34:12 * Andrew Smith
17:34:12 * Shawn Medero
17:34:14 * Eric Eggert
17:34:16 * Ben Millard
17:34:18 * Thomas Bradley
17:34:20 * Mark Martin
17:34:22 * Balakumar Muthu
17:34:24 * Justin Thorp
17:34:28 * Samuel Santos
17:34:30 * Karl Groves
17:34:32 Zakim, ??P6 is SteveF
17:34:32 +SteveF; got it
17:34:56 DanC: Joshue, did you look at missing alt in your video survey?
17:35:01 Joshue: no, but could do...
17:36:09 Would be glad to provide video footage to supplement discussion on @alt issue
17:36:13 "the failure of the HTML5 draft to make
17:36:13 @alt on an across-the-board requirement (even if sometimes
17:36:13 it has the value of "") is a bug."
17:36:22 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Feb/0082.html
17:37:05 if it's required but allowed to be "", why is that any better? Is there a pointer to that discussion somewhere?
17:38:15 The null alt value is ignored by Assistive Technology for one thing.
17:38:16 ChrisWilson: the rational seems to be it "is inconsistent with WCAG"
17:38:43 @Josh I think you're agreeing?
17:38:44 (I've never seen any better rational than that, even if there is some)
17:39:00 @gsnedders umm. yeah.
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