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15:45:47 <Steven> trackbot-ng, start meeting
15:45:49 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:45:51 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be HTML_Forms
15:45:51 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng, I see HTML_Forms()10:45AM already started
15:45:52 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
15:45:52 <trackbot-ng> Date: 20 February 2008
15:46:01 <jturner> zakim, code?
15:46:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jturner
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15:46:18 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
15:46:36 <John_M_Boyer> zakim, code?
15:46:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), John_M_Boyer
15:46:41 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
15:46:45 <Zakim> + +1.703.368.aabb
15:46:51 <John_M_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
15:46:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-forms-minutes.html John_M_Boyer
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15:46:57 <John_M_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
15:46:58 <wellsk> zakim, who is here?
15:46:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.919.254.aaaa, John_Boyer, Leigh_Klotz, +1.703.368.aabb
15:47:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see ebruchez, John_M_Boyer, RRSAgent, Roger, Zakim, klotz, SusanB, wellsk, unl, jturner, Steven, nick, shepazu, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
15:47:07 <Zakim> +??P16
15:47:12 <Zakim> + +49.308.322.aacc
15:47:13 <wellsk> zakim, aaaa is wellsk
15:47:13 <Zakim> +wellsk; got it
15:47:15 <Roger> zakim, P16 is Roger
15:47:15 <Zakim> sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named 'P16'
15:47:26 <jturner> zakim, aacc is me
15:47:26 <Zakim> +jturner; got it
15:47:27 <Roger> zakim, ??P16 is Roger
15:47:27 <Zakim> +Roger; got it
15:47:43 <John_M_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
15:47:59 <jturner> zakim, mute me
15:47:59 <Zakim> jturner should now be muted
15:48:04 <John_M_Boyer> Steven, did you have any opinion you wanted to express about "Decision Point for XForms 1.2"?
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15:48:10 <Zakim> +??P18
15:48:18 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P18 is ebruchez
15:48:18 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
15:48:18 <John_M_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0067.html
15:48:24 <Roger> zakim, Roger has Rafael
15:48:24 <Zakim> +Rafael; got it
15:48:26 <John_M_Boyer> John_M_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0067.html
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15:48:34 <John_M_Boyer> Chair: John
15:48:40 <John_M_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:48:45 <John_M_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
15:48:57 <Zakim> +Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse
15:49:11 <John_M_Boyer> Regrets: Steven, Charlie, MarkB
15:49:16 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:49:17 <unl> zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
15:49:18 <Zakim> +unl; got it
15:49:20 <nic1> zakim, mute me
15:49:20 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:49:25 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:49:25 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:49:27 <John_M_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
15:49:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see wellsk, John_Boyer, Leigh_Klotz, +1.703.368.aabb, Roger, jturner (muted), ebruchez, unl (muted), Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted)
15:49:30 <Zakim> Roger has Rafael
15:49:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see nic1, Rafael, ebruchez, John_M_Boyer, RRSAgent, Roger, Zakim, klotz, SusanB, wellsk, unl, jturner, Steven, shepazu, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
15:49:48 <John_M_Boyer> zakim, +1.703 is SusanB
15:49:48 <Zakim> +SusanB; got it
15:49:59 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0067.html
15:53:00 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0053.html
15:53:43 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Jan/0002.html
15:53:50 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Jan/0001.html
15:54:30 <ebruchez> yes I think so
15:55:20 <wellsk> zakim, mute me
15:55:20 <Zakim> wellsk should now be muted
15:56:20 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Jan/0002.html
15:56:37 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Jan/0001.html
16:01:05 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to fix missing text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Jan/0002.html
16:01:05 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:01:05 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:02:09 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Jan/0001.html
16:02:19 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to clarify text for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Jan/0001.html as a minor editorial change for XForms 1.1 CR.
16:02:19 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:02:19 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:03:08 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0066.html
16:03:36 <nic1> I find the '|' syntax for separating the prefix strange.. why not use ':' but they prob. have a good reason
16:05:29 <Steven> : was already taken in CSS when the namespace spec came out Nic1
16:05:39 <nic1> zakim, unmute me
16:05:39 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
16:06:15 <nic1> zakim, mute me
16:06:15 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:06:46 <nic1> ok I see name value is separated by colon
16:07:26 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0067.html
16:08:34 <klotz> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to update Appendix G to match current CR version http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0067.html
16:08:34 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-453 - Klotz to update Appendix G to match current CR version http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0067.html [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2008-02-27].
16:09:26 <nic1> zakim, unmute me
16:09:26 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
16:09:40 <John_M_Boyer> 28http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features#head-68c8a12c939282665c4a9f56de5fa04011cc3d19 <http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features> rnhttp://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features#head-68c8a12c939282665c4a9f56de5fa04011cc3d19
16:09:49 <nic1> zakim, mute me
16:09:49 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:20:10 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0055.html
16:20:51 <John_M_Boyer> XForms 1.2: Streamlined for Web Application Authors
16:23:00 <nic1> The problem is that I don't have enough time... but I really would like 'Same model item property on the same node' in XForms 1.2
16:23:38 <nic1> ... to write it up soon
16:23:55 <nic1> I like XQuery too ;)
16:30:44 <John_M_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath#NT-FunctionName
16:36:52 <John_M_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Custom_XPath_functions
16:39:41 <SusanB> yes that is correct
16:41:34 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt20/#stylesheet-functions
16:42:01 <klotz> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-xqueryrss/#N10181
16:44:48 <ebruchez> from XSLT 2.0: "A stylesheet function  must have a prefixed name, to remove any risk of a clash with a function in the default function namespace. It is a static error if the name has no prefix."
16:46:18 <ebruchez> for XQuery 1.0, the doc is here: http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#FunctionDeclns
16:47:41 <ebruchez> For XQuery 1.0 still: "Every user-defined function must be in a namespace--that is, every declared function name must (when expanded) have a non-null namespace URI [err:XQST0060]. If the function name in a function declaration has no namespace prefix, it is considered to be in the default function namespace."
16:48:33 <John_M_Boyer> <function name="namespace:foo" ...
16:49:01 <John_M_Boyer> <implementation name="some.javascript.function" ...
16:49:25 <ebruchez> so it seems that with XQuery 1.0, you can declare the function as an NCName, but then there must be a default function namespace defined somehow
16:51:33 <ebruchez> xmlns:math="java:org.apache.utils.MyMathClass"
16:51:39 <nic1> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-xalanextensions.html
16:51:50 <ebruchez> select="math:power()"
16:52:24 <nic1> it is quite standard in XSLT land
16:52:52 <nic1> <xsl:variable name="blue" select="color:new(20, 10, 160)"/>
16:53:10 <nic1> zakim, unmute me
16:53:10 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
16:55:42 <John_M_Boyer> <function name="foo"
16:55:46 <John_M_Boyer> <implementation
16:55:49 <John_M_Boyer> <implementation
16:55:52 <John_M_Boyer> <implementation
17:00:43 <nic1> http://www.exslt.org/func/elements/script/index.html
17:01:17 <John_M_Boyer> <implementation name="java:org.apache.utils.MyMathClass"
17:01:56 <John_M_Boyer> <implementation name="javascript:foo"
17:02:11 <nic1> <func:script    implements-prefix = ncname    language = qname-and-not-ncname    src = uri-reference    archive = uri-reference />
17:02:30 <nic1> A Java class: src="java:com.example.datestuff.DateRoutines"
17:02:30 <nic1> An ECMAScript library: src="http://example.org/somecode.js"
17:03:28 <nic1> but they also have http://www.exslt.org/func/elements/function/index.html
17:03:41 <nic1> zakim, unmute me
17:03:41 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken was not muted, nic1
17:03:54 <nic1> q+
17:07:12 <John_M_Boyer> ack nic1
17:09:32 <nic1> for the record: Erik has the acton to write up 'Custom XPath functions''
17:10:47 <nic1> zakim, ack me
17:10:47 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
17:12:10 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0055.html
17:13:49 <nic1> I can go with it but I think I would prefer to add 'Same model item property on the same node ' but this can be under the hood of Add model item properties to UI level 
17:14:10 <nic1> so it is fine for me
17:15:57 <John_M_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0055.html
17:15:59 <ebruchez> fine with me to limit the scope of 1.2
17:16:37 <nic1> fine for me
17:16:43 <SusanB> ok for me
17:17:37 <nic1> bye 
17:17:38 <Zakim> -unl
17:17:40 <Roger> Roger has left #forms
17:17:40 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We limit XForms 1.2 requirements to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0055.html and list optional items in the wiki to be done after first draft, if possible.
17:17:40 <Zakim> -ebruchez
17:17:41 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
17:17:42 <jturner> bye
17:17:42 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
17:17:43 <Zakim> -wellsk
17:17:43 <Zakim> -SusanB
17:17:47 <Zakim> -Roger
17:17:49 <Zakim> -jturner
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17:18:09 <John_M_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
17:18:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Leigh_Klotz
17:18:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see nic1, Rafael, ebruchez, John_M_Boyer, RRSAgent, Zakim, klotz, Steven, shepazu, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
17:18:23 <John_M_Boyer> zakim, disconnect Leigh_Klotz
17:18:23 <Zakim> Leigh_Klotz is being disconnected
17:18:24 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
17:18:25 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.919.254.aaaa, John_Boyer, Leigh_Klotz, +1.703.368.aabb, +49.308.322.aacc, wellsk, jturner, ebruchez, Rafael, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, unl, SusanB
17:18:32 <John_M_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:18:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-forms-minutes.html John_M_Boyer
17:18:45 <John_M_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:18:45 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-forms-actions.rdf :
17:18:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to fix missing text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Jan/0002.html [1]
17:18:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-forms-irc#T16-01-05
17:18:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to clarify text for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2008Jan/0001.html as a minor editorial change for XForms 1.1 CR. [2]
17:18:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-forms-irc#T16-02-19
17:18:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to update Appendix G to match current CR version http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0067.html [3]
17:18:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-forms-irc#T16-08-34