IRC log of er on 2008-02-20

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13:26:37 [Zakim]

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13:26:44 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Feb/0011.html

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agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI

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agenda+ Updated "Content-in-RDF" Editor's Draft

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agenda+ RDFa Last Call Working Draft

13:29:36 [Zakim]

WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

13:29:58 [JohannesK]

Zakim, Klaus is really Johannes

13:29:58 [Zakim]

+Johannes; got it

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+Johannes.a

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+Shadi

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13:31:10 [JohannesK]

Zakim, Johannes.a is really CarlosV

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+CarlosV; got it

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+Carlos_Iglesias

13:34:48 [shadi]

scribe: Shadi

13:37:29 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 3

13:37:29 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "RDFa Last Call Working Draft" taken up [from shadi]

13:37:48 [shadi]

CI: should we look at WAI-ARIA as a group?

13:39:21 [shadi]

...think it is important

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CV: we are only 4, if we focus on all these documents in detail we won't get our work

13:39:58 [shadi]

...PFWG is big and well-staffed

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CI: i will do it anyway, but think it is relevant for ERT

13:40:27 [shadi]

...to ensure that EARL covers all ARIA stuff

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CV: we have dimitri in that group, not sure if we want more

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CI: we will be using it

13:41:30 [CarlosV]

s/dimitri/dimitar

13:44:40 [shadi]

SAZ: cross-group review is important, ERT has been gaining a more central role on oversight of evaluation tools & procedures

13:45:06 [shadi]

...need to balance time but think WAI-ARIA is an important one

13:47:44 [shadi]

...review deadline is 20 feb or 3 mar

13:47:56 [shadi]

CI: haven't reviewed the latest draft yet

13:48:19 [shadi]

CV: may not get to it for long, assigned someone else from my staff to this group

13:49:42 [shadi]

SAZ: sounds like we may only be able to do this review at Last Call

13:49:51 [shadi]

...this may be as early as april

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SAZ: having said that, RDFa is really relevant for EARL

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...may not be a review in terms of finding issues, but something that we can learn from

13:56:24 [shadi]

...we should at least read it

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zakim, take up agendum 1

13:58:17 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI" taken up [from shadi]

13:58:31 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Jan/0007

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CI: what is the applicability to user agents?

14:00:48 [shadi]

...web sites shouldn't fail this SC due to browser bug

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SAZ: does that relate to "accessibility supported technologies"?

14:07:19 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/keyboard-operation-keyboard-operable.html#keyboard-operation-keyboard-operable-techniques-head

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SAZ: techniques don't talk about embedded objects or other technologies

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/keyboard-operation-all-funcs.html

14:12:06 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/keyboard-operation-keyboard-operable.html

14:13:52 [shadi]

CI: nothing mentioned in the intent, maybe write something general in the "accesibility supported technologies" section and link to it from individual SCs

14:17:25 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: would be good to point people to some background information for SCs to which user agent fucntionality plays a role

14:18:02 [shadi]

SC 2.4.3 Focus Order

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CI: any order has meaning

14:29:45 [shadi]

...usability studies show that

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SAZ: may not always be relevant

14:31:31 [shadi]

...might be good to explain point of view more clearly, and send follow-up to WCAG WG

14:33:42 [Zakim]

-Johannes

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-CarlosV

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-Shadi

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-Carlos_Iglesias

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Johannes, Shadi, CarlosV, Carlos_Iglesias

14:41:20 [shadi]

zakim, bye

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-er-minutes.html shadi

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