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13:26:44 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:26:44 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:26:51 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:26:56 <shadi> chair: Shadi
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13:27:46 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Feb/0011.html
13:27:58 <shadi> agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI
13:28:06 <shadi> agenda+ Updated "Content-in-RDF" Editor's Draft
13:28:16 <shadi> agenda+ RDFa Last Call Working Draft
13:29:36 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:29:44 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:29:58 <JohannesK> Zakim, Klaus is really Johannes
13:29:58 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
13:30:46 <Zakim> +Johannes.a
13:30:53 <Zakim> +Shadi
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13:31:10 <JohannesK> Zakim, Johannes.a is really CarlosV
13:31:10 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
13:32:16 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:34:48 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
13:37:29 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
13:37:29 <Zakim> agendum 3. "RDFa Last Call Working Draft" taken up [from shadi]
13:37:48 <shadi> CI: should we look at WAI-ARIA as a group?
13:39:21 <shadi> ...think it is important
13:39:44 <shadi> CV: we are only 4, if we focus on all these documents in detail we won't get our work
13:39:58 <shadi> ...PFWG is big and well-staffed
13:40:16 <shadi> CI: i will do it anyway, but think it is relevant for ERT
13:40:27 <shadi> ...to ensure that EARL covers all ARIA stuff
13:40:45 <shadi> CV: we have dimitri in that group, not sure if we want more
13:41:21 <shadi> CI: we will be using it
13:41:30 <CarlosV> s/dimitri/dimitar
13:44:40 <shadi> SAZ: cross-group review is important, ERT has been gaining a more central role on oversight of evaluation tools & procedures
13:45:06 <shadi> ...need to balance time but think WAI-ARIA is an important one
13:47:44 <shadi> ...review deadline is 20 feb or 3 mar
13:47:56 <shadi> CI: haven't reviewed the latest draft yet
13:48:19 <shadi> CV: may not get to it for long, assigned someone else from my staff to this group
13:49:42 <shadi> SAZ: sounds like we may only be able to do this review at Last Call
13:49:51 <shadi> ...this may be as early as april
13:55:45 <shadi> SAZ: having said that, RDFa is really relevant for EARL
13:56:15 <shadi> ...may not be a review in terms of finding issues, but something that we can learn from
13:56:24 <shadi> ...we should at least read it
13:58:17 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:58:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI" taken up [from shadi]
13:58:31 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Jan/0007
14:00:03 <shadi> CI: what is the applicability to user agents?
14:00:48 <shadi> ...web sites shouldn't fail this SC due to browser bug
14:03:46 <shadi> SAZ: does that relate to "accessibility supported technologies"?
14:07:19 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/keyboard-operation-keyboard-operable.html#keyboard-operation-keyboard-operable-techniques-head
14:08:57 <shadi> SAZ: techniques don't talk about embedded objects or other technologies
14:11:35 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/keyboard-operation-all-funcs.html
14:12:06 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/keyboard-operation-keyboard-operable.html
14:13:52 <shadi> CI: nothing mentioned in the intent, maybe write something general in the "accesibility supported technologies" section and link to it from individual SCs
14:17:25 <shadi> RESOLUTION: would be good to point people to some background information for SCs to which user agent fucntionality plays a role
14:18:02 <shadi> SC 2.4.3 Focus Order
14:29:28 <shadi> CI: any order has meaning
14:29:45 <shadi> ...usability studies show that
14:30:56 <shadi> SAZ: may not always be relevant
14:31:31 <shadi> ...might be good to explain point of view more clearly, and send follow-up to WCAG WG
14:33:42 <Zakim> -Johannes
14:33:43 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:33:44 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:34:08 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:34:10 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:34:11 <Zakim> Attendees were Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Johannes, Shadi, CarlosV, Carlos_Iglesias
14:41:20 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:41:27 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:41:30 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:41:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-er-minutes.html shadi
14:41:31 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:41:35 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:41:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items