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13:44:11 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:44:13 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
13:44:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
13:44:14 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
13:44:14 <trackbot-ng> Date: 19 February 2008
13:44:33 <fjh> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
13:45:00 <fjh> Scribe: Juan Carlos Cruellas
13:48:59 <jwray> jwray has joined #xmlsec
13:49:05 <fhirsch> fhirsch has joined #xmlsec
13:49:22 <fhirsch> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0021.html
13:49:37 <fhirsch> Regrets: Konrad Lanz
13:50:05 <fhirsch> zakim, who is here?
13:50:05 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has not yet started, fhirsch
13:50:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng
13:52:57 <jcc> jcc has joined #xmlsec
13:53:32 <jcc> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
13:53:32 <Zakim> ok, jcc; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:53:33 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
13:53:56 <jcc> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference
13:54:10 <jcc> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
13:54:15 <jcc> Scribe: Juan Carlos Cruellas
13:55:00 <fjh2> fjh2 has joined #xmlsec
13:55:10 <jcc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0021.html
13:55:16 <hal> hal has joined #xmlsec
13:55:31 <jcc> OK, thanks
13:55:37 <fjh2> zakim, who is here?
13:55:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
13:55:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng
13:57:34 <pdatta> pdatta has joined #xmlsec
13:58:14 <sean> sean has joined #xmlsec
13:58:23 <fjh2> zakim, what is the code?
13:58:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh2
13:59:56 <jcc> I have joined the call....
14:00:11 <jcc> ..but I can not hear anybody
14:00:15 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:00:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
14:00:18 <tlr> umh
14:00:18 <brich> brich has joined #xmlsec
14:00:21 <tlr> zakim, code?
14:00:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr
14:00:24 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
14:00:24 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
14:00:28 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas
14:00:28 <Zakim> sorry, tlr, I do not see a party named 'thomas'
14:00:39 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
14:00:39 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
14:00:56 <fjh2> zakim, who is here?
14:00:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
14:00:58 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
14:01:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng
14:01:01 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
14:01:18 <fjh2> zakim, who is here?
14:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
14:01:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng
14:01:25 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:01:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
14:01:34 <EdS> EdS has joined #xmlsec
14:01:48 <fjh2> zakim, who is here?
14:01:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
14:01:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng
14:02:32 <fjh2> zakim, who is here?
14:02:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
14:02:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng
14:02:34 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html
14:03:15 <fjh2> zakim, who is here?
14:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
14:03:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng
14:03:22 <EdS> I'm on the phone now; muted.
14:04:11 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:04:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
14:04:26 <shivaram> shivaram has joined #xmlsec
14:04:29 <Zakim> 'restarting to recover bridge state'
14:04:50 <fjh2> present on call - bruce, sean, pratik, hal, fjh, john, thomas, rob, miller, shivaram
14:04:56 <shivaram> zakim, mute me
14:05:00 <jcc> I can hear you...
14:05:03 <EdS> I'm on the call too!!!
14:05:20 <fjh2> also present on call - Ed
14:05:23 <jcc> I can hear you!
14:05:35 <jcc> can you hear me?
14:05:41 <fjh2> also present on call - juan carlos
14:05:49 <jcc> no....
14:05:53 <jcc> will try to reconnect
14:05:55 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #xmlsec
14:05:58 <tlr> zakim, this is xmlsec
14:05:58 <Zakim> ok, tlr; that matches T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM
14:05:59 <Zakim> -??P2
14:06:01 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:06:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.978.244.aaaa, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, ??P10, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee
14:06:21 <shivaram> aaee is shivaram
14:06:31 <brich> aacc is brich
14:06:39 <sean> aadd is sean
14:06:40 <jwray> aaaa is jwray
14:07:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:07:21 <fjh2> zakim, who is here?
14:07:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.978.244.aaaa, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, ??P10, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee, [IPcaller]
14:07:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see shivaram, EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng
14:07:48 <jcc> I joined, I can hear you
14:07:50 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:07:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.978.244.aaaa, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, ??P10, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee, [IPcaller]
14:07:57 <jcc> but obviously you may not hear me
14:08:04 <jcc> so, I will take minutes 
14:08:15 <jwray> zakim, aaaa is jwray
14:08:15 <Zakim> +jwray; got it
14:08:45 <jcc> TOPIC: Administrivia
14:09:13 <shivaram> zakim, mute me
14:09:13 <Zakim> sorry, shivaram, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:09:14 <tlr> zakim, mute thomas
14:09:15 <Zakim> Thomas.a should now be muted
14:09:17 <tlr> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:09:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, ??P10, Thomas.a (muted), Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee, [IPcaller]
14:09:29 <jcc> FH: transition request sent 
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14:09:43 <jcc> FH: public review from 6th March to End of April
14:10:32 <jcc> TOPIC: Charter status
14:10:45 <jcc> FH: some work in the background, and sent to the OASIS (?)
14:11:02 <shivaram> zakim, mute me
14:11:02 <Zakim> shivaram should now be muted
14:11:06 <jcc> FH: other external bodies known?
14:11:09 <tlr> zakim, who is muted?
14:11:09 <Zakim> I see Thomas.a, shivaram muted
14:11:13 <jcc> JC: what about ETSI ESI?
14:11:21 <tlr> that covers it, yes
14:11:28 <tlr> jcc, please send language
14:11:45 <sean> zakim, aadd is sean
14:11:45 <Zakim> +sean; got it
14:11:52 <jcc> not external dependency, I just thought that you were sending messages
14:12:07 <jcc> TOPIC:  Request for review/feedback on XML 1.0 Fifth Edition
14:12:23 <jcc> fh: issue on sending passwords in the clear.
14:12:36 <hal> q+
14:12:38 <jcc> fh: if you have the time for reviewing it, just do it please
14:12:46 <fjh2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0019.html
14:13:04 <fjh2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0019.html
14:13:08 <fjh2> ack hal
14:13:15 <brich> zakim, aacc is brich
14:13:15 <Zakim> +brich; got it
14:13:44 <jcc> hal: document here was presented in the fall and discussed and they identified a number of changes...I do not see in our list
14:13:47 <tlr> q+
14:13:52 <tlr> zakim, unmute me
14:13:52 <Zakim> sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:13:57 <tlr> zakim, unmute thomas
14:13:57 <Zakim> Thomas.a should no longer be muted
14:14:02 <tlr> WSC public comment list
14:14:07 <tlr> public-usable-authentication 
14:14:08 <jcc> fh: is not in our list. I do not remember which one. I will let you know it afterwards
14:14:10 <tlr> zakim, mute me
14:14:10 <Zakim> sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:15:03 <tlr> zakim, mute thomas
14:15:03 <Zakim> Thomas.a should now be muted
14:15:04 <jcc> TOPIC: Minutes from 2008-02-12 for approval:
14:15:39 <jcc> rob miller: my first name is not well spelled, other than that it is ok.
14:15:49 <jcc> fh: can we approve them with that change?
14:15:52 <jcc> RM: OK
14:16:24 <jcc> resolution: minutes of 2008-02-12 were approved with the change to correctly spell Rob Millar's name
14:16:34 <shivaram> * Line on my side is good - no echo
14:16:45 <pdatta> zakim, aabb is pdatta
14:16:45 <Zakim> +pdatta; got it
14:16:56 <EdS> No echo here -- though I often get it on other calls (I have VOIP).
14:17:06 <fjh2> Re: Draft W3C TAG Finding "Passwords in the Clear" available for review
14:17:07 <jcc> frederick: could you put it in the chat, please?
14:17:10 <jcc> thanks
14:17:14 <tlr> zakim, unmute thomas
14:17:14 <Zakim> Thomas.a should no longer be muted
14:18:03 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-usable-authentication/
14:18:26 <fjh2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-usable-authentication/2008Feb/0004.html
14:19:07 <jcc> TOPIC:  Progressing test case document to W3C Note
14:19:16 <fjh2> shortname "xmldsiged2-tests"
14:19:21 <jcc> FH: sean did a great amount of work on that document...
14:19:36 <jcc> ...the only issue left with that is to decide a short name for that
14:20:42 <tlr> Resolution from last week was: RESOLUTION: to publish test suite document as Note, shortname xmldsig2ed-tests
14:20:50 <jcc> ACTION: tlr to update the test cases document ...
14:20:50 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-147 - Update the test cases document ... [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-02-26].
14:21:20 <jcc> TOPIC:  EXI
14:21:49 <jcc> fh: we could share jcc's comments with EXI group
14:21:59 <jcc> jcc: I agree to send these comments to EXI group
14:22:19 <jcc> fh: not sure we have much to say on that
14:22:24 <jcc> yes
14:22:36 <jcc> get an action
14:22:52 <jcc> ACTION: jcc to send comments to EXI group as circulated to the XMLSEC
14:22:52 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-148 - Send comments to EXI group as circulated to the XMLSEC [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2008-02-26].
14:23:08 <jcc> TOPIC: Best Practices
14:23:26 <jcc> fh: not seen anything on the list...
14:23:49 <jcc> fh: we could adjust the meetings time based on this issue....
14:24:41 <jcc> fh: want to be sure people do not colide doing the same thing at the same time
14:24:55 <jcc> hal: will be able to do something on the next week or two
14:25:06 <jcc> TOPIC: Action item review
14:25:21 <jcc> action 143: Closed
14:25:36 <fjh2> action-143 closed
14:25:58 <jcc> action-144 closed
14:26:18 <tlr> q+
14:26:29 <jcc> action-145 not sure whether is done or not.
14:26:33 <fjh2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0018.html
14:26:33 <tlr> sean: Still looking into it
14:26:34 <tlr> q-
14:26:42 <fjh2> ack tlr
14:26:50 <jcc> tlr: action seems not to be closed
14:26:58 <jcc> fh: sean, any needed help?
14:27:01 <jcc> sean: no
14:27:09 <jcc> action 14-6 closed
14:27:14 <jcc> action 146-closed
14:27:27 <jcc> TOPIC: any other business
14:27:38 <fjh2> zakim, who is here?
14:27:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, pdatta, brich, sean, ??P10, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, shivaram (muted), [IPcaller]
14:27:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see shivaram, EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, jwray, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
14:27:50 <Zakim> -Thomas.a
14:27:51 <Zakim> -Hal_Lockhart
14:27:53 <Zakim> -??P0
14:27:53 <Zakim> -sean
14:27:56 <Zakim> -shivaram
14:27:58 <Zakim> -brich
14:27:58 <jcc> frederick, could you tell me where to get the draft minutes for polishing them
14:28:04 <Zakim> -pdatta
14:28:06 <Zakim> -Ed_Simon
14:28:08 <jcc> OK...
14:28:16 <Zakim> -jwray
14:28:16 <fjh2> zakim, please generate minutes
14:28:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please generate minutes', fjh2
14:28:38 <jcc> is it "RRSAgent, generate minutes"?
14:28:41 <fjh2> RRSAgent, make log public
14:28:50 <fjh2> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
14:28:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh2
14:29:07 <jcc> thanks... I will take that and polish and then send it to the list?
14:29:57 <jcc> If you put in the chat the present people, I may add it to the html minutes
14:30:00 <fjh2> Present: bruce, sean, pratik, hal, fjh, john, thomas, rob, miller, shivaram, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos
14:30:09 <fjh2> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
14:30:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh2
14:31:03 <jcc> OK... will do. Once done, should I send the html to the list?
14:31:41 <jcc> thank you...and sorry for not being able to let me heared? I use skype
14:31:58 <jcc> I use a microphone
14:32:03 <jcc> separated microphone
14:32:12 <jcc> usually has gone OK
14:32:34 <jcc> No problem...we will try next time...it should work next time
14:32:41 <jcc> thank you ....
14:32:43 <jcc> bye
14:32:47 <fjh2> bye
14:32:50 <Zakim> -??P10
14:32:57 <fjh2> zakim, who is here?
14:32:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
14:32:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh2, jcc, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
14:33:06 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:33:08 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended
14:33:09 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.978.244.aaaa, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee, [IPcaller], jwray, shivaram, sean, brich,
14:33:11 <Zakim> ... pdatta
14:33:18 <fjh2> Zakim, bye
14:33:18 <Zakim> Zakim has left #xmlsec
14:33:19 <fjh2> Zakim, bye
14:33:30 <fjh2> RRSAgent, bye
14:33:30 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-actions.rdf :
14:33:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: tlr to update the test cases document ... [1]
14:33:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-irc#T14-20-50
14:33:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jcc to send comments to EXI group as circulated to the XMLSEC [2]
14:33:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-irc#T14-22-52
14:33:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: 143 to Closed [3]
14:33:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-irc#T14-25-21