IRC log of databinding on 2008-02-19

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Zakim, this will be DBWG

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ok, trackbot-ng; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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Meeting: XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 19 February 2008

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scribe: pauld

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ok, no problem!

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WS_DBWG()10:00AM has now started

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+George_Cowe

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+ +0207809aaaa

15:02:38 [pauld]

zakim, code?

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the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld

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+ +0791888aabb

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zakim, aabb is me

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+pauld; got it

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zakim, aaaa is Jonc

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+Jonc; got it

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see George_Cowe, Jonc, pauld

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On IRC I see JonC, gcowe, Zakim, RRSAgent, pauld, trackbot-ng, Yves

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Topic: Administriva

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minutes from the last telcon approved

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Topic: Missing Examples?

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Jonc: we're down to the last 17 patterns

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List of patterns without example: AttributeFormQualified

15:07:11 [pauld]

pauld: I felt that as far as Basic was concerned, we're done!

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gcowe: I've been checking and putting them into CVS on Jon's behalf

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pauld: how do we know which ones we can't write examples for?

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jonc: formqualified is hard one to hit

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AttributeFormQualified,ComplexTypeAnyAttribute, ElementFormUnqualified, ExtendedSequenceLaxAny, ExtendedSequenceLaxOther, ExtendedSequenceSkipAny ExtendedSequenceSkipOther ExtendedSequenceStrictAny ExtendedSequenceStrictOther ExtendedSimpleContent MixedComplexContent QualifiedLocalAttributes SequenceAnyStrict SimpleContentAnyAttribute UnionSimpleAndMemberTypes UnionSimpleTypes UnqualifiedLocalElements

15:10:35 [pauld]

pauld: unqualified we can probably ignore, except I know the WSDL 2.0 test suite used them. Nobody in the wild does, and they're not BP

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gcowe: we can't really prove unqualified elements, without adding a default namespace

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pauld: unless the default namespace is "" it's not a valid test

15:13:50 [pauld]

pauld: at this point, I'm not worried about running the tests, but good examples in 6/09 would be, er, good

15:14:40 [JonC]

http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/patterns/6/09/AttributeReferenceUnqualified/

15:16:00 [pauld]

this example looks easy to write an example for?

15:17:02 [pauld]

pauld: can't we add a flag to an example to fill in a default namespace

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ACTION: downeyp to enhance the explode_examples.xsl to add a default namespace

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Sorry, couldn't find user - downeyp

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ACTION: pdowney to enhance the explode_examples.xsl to add a default namespace

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Created ACTION-128 - Enhance the explode_examples.xsl to add a default namespace [on Paul Downey - due 2008-02-26].

15:23:02 [pauld]

if it's elementFormDefault="unqualified" (the default), then you need a flag to switch that off in the generated WSDL/Schemas.

15:24:03 [pauld]

pauld: I'll have a think about supporting these and other xs:schema attibutes

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jonc; last issue is the ExtendedSequence etc

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s/;/:/

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jonc: exploding into lots of separate patterns

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pauld: how do we know when we're done?

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.. want to be driven by the collection

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jonc: I'm prepared to do the work

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pauld: at this stage we'll accept patterns, so long as they don't make "Basic" "Advanced"

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.. i.e don't bu993r it up :)

15:29:49 [pauld]

gcowe: gday, gyear, gmonth, are simple, but don't involve timezones

15:30:17 [pauld]

jonc: it's all paul's fault - wanted to keep it simple as possible!

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pauld: *dunk*

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gcowe: .NET and others have issues for non-timezone instances

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s/ACTION: downeyp to enhance the explode_examples.xsl to add a default namespace//

15:32:47 [JonC]

G pattern <xs:pattern value="--10|--11|--12"/>

15:34:02 [pauld]

pauld: does timezone qualified make sense here?

15:34:53 [pauld]

gcowe: yeah, looks fine as we are

15:35:08 [pauld]

pauld: thanks so much for all this work!

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Topic: Collection

15:38:04 [pauld]

pauld: I'm still working on the collection, in particular annotating the schema with patterns detected. turns out to be computing intensive.

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.. will continue to work on this

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http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/collection/

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we hope to use this to drive patterns

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http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/collection/collection.xml

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=definitions+filetype%3Awsdl&btnG=Google+Search

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+filetype%3Axsd&btnG=Search

15:42:38 [pauld]

pauld: some sites, you have to sign up, in which case I've taken a snapshot, but that's member-visible

15:43:45 [pauld]

jonc: I see lots of pendings in the report

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pauld: jonc, you need to push me to work on the collection!

15:45:56 [pauld]

gcowe: is the collection report upto date?

15:46:03 [pauld]

pauld: rebuilding, now ..

15:46:54 [pauld]

pauld: ah, Origo are all Advanced! cool!

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jonc: list looking good

15:52:06 [pauld]

gcowe: will add some more Origo schemas

15:52:48 [pauld]

pauld: if you know of other schemas, let us know!

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Topic: Test Suite

15:53:17 [pauld]

gcowe: not been running it, waiting until we clear the missing examples list

15:53:26 [pauld]

pauld: sounds absolutely fine!

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Topic: Meeting

15:56:36 [pauld]

pauld: not planning on meeting again. sounds fine?

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s/meeting/meeting F2F/

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next telcon in three weeks time

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-George_Cowe

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-Jonc

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-pauld

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Attendees were George_Cowe, +0207809aaaa, +0791888aabb, pauld, Jonc

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-databinding-minutes.html pauld

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