IRC log of waf on 2008-02-14

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12:07:41 [claudio]
I'm in Lyon and I'm having troubles in connecting via phone to the bridge...
12:08:00 [claudio]
roamin pains, I'm trying...
12:08:27 [ArtB]
ok. with Marcos not present we will not have a formal meeting :-(
12:08:41 [arve]
should we reschedule for another day, then?
12:09:25 [claudio]
Would be nice for me...
12:09:28 [ArtB]
Scribe: Art
12:09:33 [ArtB]
ScribeNick: ArtB
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Chair: Art
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-appformats/2008Feb/0006.html
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Present: Art, Arve, Benoit, Dave, Claudio (IRC)
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Meeting: Widgets Voice Conf (WAF WG)
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Date: 14 February 2008
12:10:26 [ArtB]
Topic: Agenda Review
12:10:45 [ArtB]
AB: without Marcos we won't do a deep dive on technical discussions
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Topic: Annoncements
12:12:17 [ArtB]
AB: I was hoping MikeSmith or Shepazu could provide an update on the WebApps WG Charter
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... but neither is present :-(
12:12:39 [ArtB]
Topic: Actions and Issues
12:12:57 [ArtB]
AB: see http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/
12:13:14 [ArtB]
ABe: regarding Action #112, we have a proposal
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... http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/actions/112
12:14:03 [ArtB]
... hope to submit it to the WG after I return from vacation at the end of the month
12:14:34 [ArtB]
DP: is the model for Widgets connecting to the Web or does it also include accessing device APIs?
12:14:55 [ArtB]
ABe: I can't talk about device related things
12:15:15 [ArtB]
... but this model is about provisioning widgets i.e. uploading and downloading
12:15:25 [ArtB]
... it describes a detailed URI-based model
12:17:14 [ArtB]
AB: we have about 12 Actions open
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12:18:07 [ArtB]
AB: and we have about 5 Issues open
12:18:28 [marcos]
Argh!
12:18:30 [marcos]
coming!
12:18:34 [marcos]
got stuck in traffic
12:19:16 [marcos]
yep
12:19:25 [arve]
bbiam
12:20:18 [arve]
(needed more coffee)
12:20:41 [Zakim]
+??P4
12:20:51 [ArtB]
zakim, ??P4 is Marcos
12:20:51 [Zakim]
+Marcos; got it
12:24:17 [ArtB]
MC: I am working on some of the Actions
12:24:27 [ArtB]
... input at anytime from people is welcome
12:25:38 [ArtB]
Topic: Landscape Document
12:25:50 [ArtB]
AB: what's the status Marcos?
12:26:22 [ArtB]
MC: it fullfills a need to understand the current landscape
12:26:38 [ArtB]
... seems logical to move it out of the Requirements document
12:27:07 [ArtB]
... also makes the Reqs doc easier to maintain
12:27:16 [ArtB]
AB: I like this organization
12:27:51 [marcos]
http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-land/Overview.src.html
12:28:06 [ArtB]
BS: I think the split makes sense
12:28:33 [ArtB]
... not sure about the title regarding the precedence in the W3C
12:29:00 [ArtB]
MC: any help with filling in the empty boxes would be appreciated
12:29:57 [ArtB]
AB: it may be more appropriate to be WG Note rather than a Rec type doc
12:30:01 [ArtB]
MC: that's OK with me
12:30:12 [ArtB]
ABe: WG Note is a good way to go
12:30:15 [ArtB]
BS: OK with me
12:30:39 [ArtB]
... are any of the WG members providing information for this doc?
12:31:07 [ArtB]
... e.g. I noticed something regarding Windows signature ma not be accurate
12:31:17 [ArtB]
MC: we've had some Members review but not all
12:31:29 [ArtB]
s/ma not/may not/
12:32:25 [ArtB]
AB: what's the next step toward publication?
12:32:55 [ArtB]
MC: I think we'll need about one month to fill in the tables and to get a good format
12:33:26 [ArtB]
AB: I think WG Notes are mainly considered 1-time publication
12:34:02 [ArtB]
... not revised generally
12:34:32 [ArtB]
ACTION: Barstow talk to Mike Smith about WG Note vs Rec type doc for the Landscape doc
12:34:32 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-170 - Talk to Mike Smith about WG Note vs Rec type doc for the Landscape doc [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-02-21].
12:36:02 [ArtB]
BS: could wait for final pub to the end
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Topic: Requirements doc
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http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets-reqs/
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ooops
12:39:20 [ArtB]
AB: latest ED is: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-reqs/
12:41:38 [ArtB]
AB: Dave, please send your Feb 10 comments to the public mail list
12:41:42 [ArtB]
DP: OK, will do
12:42:54 [ArtB]
AB: remind everyone we need to respond to all comments whether the comments are from WG members or non-members
12:43:06 [ArtB]
MC: I will respond to Dave's comments
12:44:07 [ArtB]
MC: regarding Dave's first comment, it's good to hear Arve is working on a related input
12:44:28 [ArtB]
... On Feb 4 I sent some comments re security
12:44:47 [ArtB]
... Regarding device security, I'm waiting to see what the UWA WG is going to do
12:45:38 [ArtB]
... I agree device API has security-related implications but it's not clear if we need to do anything here (in a normative way)
12:46:08 [ArtB]
DP: yes, that seems OK with me for v1.0 and focus now on the packaging format as the #1 priority
12:47:04 [claudio]
TI thinks We hould move a little further saying that Widgets support DCCI specification
12:47:52 [ArtB]
BS: I agree about the priority of the packaging format but device API are important
12:47:58 [ArtB]
DP: what about timeframes?
12:48:09 [ArtB]
MC: I'd like to get to LC by November
12:48:20 [ArtB]
... and Candidate in 1Q09
12:48:42 [ArtB]
... but it all depends on WG participation and I'm concerned about the lack of inputs
12:49:07 [ArtB]
... we've lost some steam and we need to get it back
12:51:32 [ArtB]
AB: I agree with MC that we have to get some more momentum; the AC work has domintate my time and I'm sorry about that
12:51:57 [ArtB]
... We can work in either mode -> VCs once per week or more distributed using e-mail like the AC work
12:52:14 [ArtB]
BS: can we get more Members participating?
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... e.g. Microsoft or Apple
12:52:43 [ArtB]
... I also talked with Netvibes people
12:53:02 [ArtB]
MC: everyone is in the WG but they aren't all participating
12:53:22 [ArtB]
ABe: we've made most progress in the f2f meeting
12:53:28 [claudio]
I can report a potential interest also from Alcatel Lucent
12:53:52 [ArtB]
... maybe we can explicity invite Apple, MS, NetVibes, to our f2f meeting
12:54:14 [ArtB]
DP: I think if we complete the Reqs doc it can be used to entice people to participate
12:54:55 [ArtB]
BS: some people don't understand if this work is for Web widgets only, Desktop widgets only, etc.
12:55:03 [ArtB]
... this needs to be more clear
12:55:41 [ArtB]
... Perhaps we need an inclusive f2f meeting or some type of web cast
12:56:28 [ArtB]
DP: I think some of the reqs are a bit "woolly"
12:56:43 [ArtB]
... agree we need the definition of Widgets must be very clear
12:58:02 [ArtB]
Topic: AOB
12:58:10 [ArtB]
AB: VC next week?
12:58:18 [ArtB]
ABe: I would prefer two weeks from now
12:58:22 [ArtB]
BS: that's OK with me
12:59:04 [ArtB]
AB: next meeting Feb 28
12:59:14 [ArtB]
MC: please send comments to the public mail list
12:59:48 [ArtB]
BS: please include [widgets] in the Subject: header
13:00:41 [ArtB]
BS: agree focusing the agenda on specific text or reqs would be good
13:00:50 [ArtB]
ABe: agree
13:00:53 [claudio]
Are We booking a date for next F2F?
13:02:02 [Zakim]
-DaveP
13:02:05 [Zakim]
-Benoit
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-arve
13:02:27 [marcos]
Zakim, who is here?
13:02:28 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Art_Barstow, Marcos
13:02:32 [Zakim]
On IRC I see claudio, marcos, RRSAgent, arve, Zakim, ArtB, shepazu, Lachy, tlr, Hixie, anne, mikko, dino, trackbot-ng
13:02:43 [ArtB]
AB: meeting adjourned
13:03:14 [ArtB]
ACTION: Barstow start a thread about a Widgets f2f meeting via the member mail list
13:03:14 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-171 - Start a thread about a Widgets f2f meeting via the member mail list [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-02-21].
13:03:21 [ArtB]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-waf-minutes.html ArtB
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RRSAgent, make log public
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Present: Art, Arve, Benoit, Dave, Claudio (IRC), Marcos
13:07:01 [Lachy]
too bad I missed the meeting
13:07:19 [ArtB]
RRSAgent, make log public
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-Art_Barstow
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-Marcos
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IA_WAF()7:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +44.777.177.aaaa, Art_Barstow, Benoit, arve, DaveP, Marcos
13:25:32 [ArtB]
shepazu, can you add Marcos' name to the Present: list of http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-waf-minutes.html
13:49:10 [ArtB]
tlr, can you add Marcos' name to the Present: list of http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-waf-minutes.html
13:49:22 [ArtB]
MikeSmith was AWOL today :-)
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rrsagent bye
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