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12:07:41 <claudio> I'm in Lyon and I'm having troubles in connecting via phone to the bridge...
12:08:00 <claudio> roamin pains, I'm trying...
12:08:27 <ArtB> ok. with Marcos not present we will not have a formal meeting :-(
12:08:41 <arve> should we reschedule for another day, then?
12:09:25 <claudio> Would be nice for me...
12:09:28 <ArtB> Scribe: Art
12:09:33 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
12:09:36 <ArtB> Chair: Art
12:09:45 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-appformats/2008Feb/0006.html
12:10:02 <ArtB> Present: Art, Arve, Benoit, Dave, Claudio (IRC)
12:10:13 <ArtB> Meeting: Widgets Voice Conf (WAF WG)
12:10:20 <ArtB> Date: 14 February 2008
12:10:26 <ArtB> Topic: Agenda Review
12:10:45 <ArtB> AB: without Marcos we won't do a deep dive on technical discussions
12:11:50 <ArtB> Topic: Annoncements
12:12:17 <ArtB> AB: I was hoping MikeSmith or Shepazu could provide an update on the WebApps WG Charter 
12:12:25 <ArtB> ... but neither is present :-(
12:12:39 <ArtB> Topic: Actions and Issues
12:12:57 <ArtB> AB: see http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/
12:13:14 <ArtB> ABe: regarding Action #112, we have a proposal
12:13:31 <ArtB> ... http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/actions/112
12:14:03 <ArtB> ... hope to submit it to the WG after I return from vacation at the end of the month
12:14:34 <ArtB> DP: is the model for Widgets connecting to the Web or does it also include accessing device APIs?
12:14:55 <ArtB> ABe: I can't talk about device related things
12:15:15 <ArtB> ... but this model is about provisioning widgets i.e. uploading and downloading
12:15:25 <ArtB> ... it describes a detailed URI-based model
12:17:14 <ArtB> AB: we have about 12 Actions open
12:17:57 <marcos> marcos has joined #waf
12:18:07 <ArtB> AB: and we have about 5 Issues open
12:18:28 <marcos> Argh! 
12:18:30 <marcos> coming!
12:18:34 <marcos> got stuck in traffic
12:19:16 <marcos> yep
12:19:25 <arve> bbiam
12:20:18 <arve> (needed more coffee)
12:20:41 <Zakim> +??P4
12:20:51 <ArtB> zakim, ??P4 is Marcos
12:20:51 <Zakim> +Marcos; got it
12:24:17 <ArtB> MC: I am working on some of the Actions
12:24:27 <ArtB> ... input at anytime from people is welcome
12:25:38 <ArtB> Topic: Landscape Document
12:25:50 <ArtB> AB: what's the status Marcos?
12:26:22 <ArtB> MC: it fullfills a need to understand the current landscape
12:26:38 <ArtB> ... seems logical to move it out of the Requirements document
12:27:07 <ArtB> ... also makes the Reqs doc easier to maintain
12:27:16 <ArtB> AB: I like this organization
12:27:51 <marcos> http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-land/Overview.src.html
12:28:06 <ArtB> BS: I think the split makes sense
12:28:33 <ArtB> ... not sure about the title regarding the precedence in the W3C
12:29:00 <ArtB> MC: any help with filling in the empty boxes would be appreciated
12:29:57 <ArtB> AB: it may be more appropriate to be WG Note rather than a Rec type doc
12:30:01 <ArtB> MC: that's OK with me
12:30:12 <ArtB> ABe: WG Note is a good way to go
12:30:15 <ArtB> BS: OK with me
12:30:39 <ArtB> ... are any of the WG members providing information for this doc?
12:31:07 <ArtB> ... e.g. I noticed something regarding Windows signature ma not be accurate
12:31:17 <ArtB> MC: we've had some Members review but not all
12:31:29 <ArtB> s/ma not/may not/
12:32:25 <ArtB> AB: what's the next step toward publication?
12:32:55 <ArtB> MC: I think we'll need about one month to fill in the tables and to get a good format
12:33:26 <ArtB> AB: I think WG Notes are mainly considered 1-time publication
12:34:02 <ArtB> ... not revised generally
12:34:32 <ArtB> ACTION: Barstow talk to Mike Smith about WG Note vs Rec type doc for the Landscape doc
12:34:32 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-170 - Talk to Mike Smith about WG Note vs Rec type doc for the Landscape doc [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-02-21].
12:36:02 <ArtB> BS: could wait for final pub to the end
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12:38:46 <ArtB> Topic: Requirements doc
12:39:08 <marcos> http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets-reqs/
12:39:15 <marcos> ooops
12:39:20 <ArtB> AB: latest ED is: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-reqs/
12:41:38 <ArtB> AB: Dave, please send your Feb 10 comments to the public mail list
12:41:42 <ArtB> DP: OK, will do
12:42:54 <ArtB> AB: remind everyone we need to respond to all comments whether the comments are from WG members or non-members
12:43:06 <ArtB> MC: I will respond to Dave's comments
12:44:07 <ArtB> MC: regarding Dave's first comment, it's good to hear Arve is working on a related input
12:44:28 <ArtB> ... On Feb 4 I sent some comments re security
12:44:47 <ArtB> ... Regarding device security, I'm waiting to see what the UWA WG is going to do
12:45:38 <ArtB> ... I agree device API has security-related implications but it's not clear if we need to do anything here (in a normative way)
12:46:08 <ArtB> DP: yes, that seems OK with me for v1.0 and focus now on the packaging format as the #1 priority
12:47:04 <claudio> TI thinks We hould move a little further saying that Widgets support DCCI specification
12:47:52 <ArtB> BS: I agree about the priority of the packaging format but device API are important
12:47:58 <ArtB> DP: what about timeframes?
12:48:09 <ArtB> MC: I'd like to get to LC by November
12:48:20 <ArtB> ... and Candidate in 1Q09
12:48:42 <ArtB> ... but it all depends on WG participation and I'm concerned about the lack of inputs
12:49:07 <ArtB> ... we've lost some steam and we need to get it back
12:51:32 <ArtB> AB: I agree with MC that we have to get some more momentum; the AC work has domintate my time and I'm sorry about that
12:51:57 <ArtB> ... We can work in either mode -> VCs once per week or more distributed using e-mail like the AC work
12:52:14 <ArtB> BS: can we get more Members participating?
12:52:27 <ArtB> ... e.g. Microsoft or Apple
12:52:43 <ArtB> ... I also talked with Netvibes people
12:53:02 <ArtB> MC: everyone is in the WG but they aren't all participating
12:53:22 <ArtB> ABe: we've made most progress in the f2f meeting
12:53:28 <claudio> I can report a potential interest also from Alcatel Lucent
12:53:52 <ArtB> ... maybe we can explicity invite Apple, MS, NetVibes, to our f2f meeting
12:54:14 <ArtB> DP: I think if we complete the Reqs doc it can be used to entice people to participate
12:54:55 <ArtB> BS: some people don't understand if this work is for Web widgets only, Desktop widgets only, etc.
12:55:03 <ArtB> ... this needs to be more clear
12:55:41 <ArtB> ... Perhaps we need an inclusive f2f meeting or some type of web cast
12:56:28 <ArtB> DP: I think some of the reqs are a bit "woolly"
12:56:43 <ArtB> ... agree we need the definition of Widgets must be very clear
12:58:02 <ArtB> Topic: AOB
12:58:10 <ArtB> AB: VC next week?
12:58:18 <ArtB> ABe: I would prefer two weeks from now
12:58:22 <ArtB> BS: that's OK with me
12:59:04 <ArtB> AB: next meeting Feb 28
12:59:14 <ArtB> MC: please send comments to the public mail list
12:59:48 <ArtB> BS: please include [widgets] in the Subject: header
13:00:41 <ArtB> BS: agree focusing the agenda on specific text or reqs would be good
13:00:50 <ArtB> ABe: agree
13:00:53 <claudio> Are We booking a date for next F2F?
13:02:02 <Zakim> -DaveP
13:02:05 <Zakim> -Benoit
13:02:06 <Zakim> -arve
13:02:27 <marcos> Zakim, who is here?
13:02:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Art_Barstow, Marcos
13:02:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see claudio, marcos, RRSAgent, arve, Zakim, ArtB, shepazu, Lachy, tlr, Hixie, anne, mikko, dino, trackbot-ng
13:02:43 <ArtB> AB: meeting adjourned
13:03:14 <ArtB> ACTION: Barstow start a thread about a Widgets f2f meeting via the member mail list
13:03:14 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-171 - Start a thread about a Widgets f2f meeting via the member mail list [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-02-21].
13:03:21 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
13:03:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-waf-minutes.html ArtB
13:03:41 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log public
13:06:33 <ArtB> Present: Art, Arve, Benoit, Dave, Claudio (IRC), Marcos
13:07:01 <Lachy> too bad I missed the meeting
13:07:19 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log public
13:22:10 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
13:22:12 <Zakim> -Marcos
13:22:13 <Zakim> IA_WAF()7:00AM has ended
13:22:14 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.777.177.aaaa, Art_Barstow, Benoit, arve, DaveP, Marcos
13:25:32 <ArtB> shepazu, can you add Marcos' name to the Present: list of  http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-waf-minutes.html
13:49:10 <ArtB> tlr, can you add Marcos' name to the Present: list of  http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-waf-minutes.html
13:49:22 <ArtB> MikeSmith was AWOL today :-)
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15:05:36 <ArtB> rrsagent bye
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