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15:38:00 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:38:02 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be HTML_Forms
15:38:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see HTML_Forms()10:45AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
15:38:03 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
15:38:03 <trackbot-ng> Date: 13 February 2008
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15:42:18 <John_Boyer> zakim, code?
15:42:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), John_Boyer
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15:42:34 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
15:42:43 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
15:42:46 <Zakim> +wellsk
15:43:04 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:43:16 <Steven> already done john
15:43:17 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:43:21 <Charlie> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
15:43:21 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
15:44:14 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0046.html
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15:46:11 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:46:11 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:46:12 <Zakim> +Steven
15:46:26 <nic1> zakim, code?
15:46:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nic1
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15:46:59 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0046.html
15:47:01 <Steven> zakim, drop steven
15:47:01 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected
15:47:02 <Zakim> -Steven
15:47:07 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:47:08 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:47:08 <Zakim> +Steven
15:47:13 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:47:29 <Zakim> +Susan_Borgrink
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15:48:03 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:48:06 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:48:10 <Steven> Regrets fornext week from me: XHTML2 WG FtF
15:48:12 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
15:48:20 <wellsk> zakim, who is here?
15:48:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, wellsk, Charlie, Steven, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Susan_Borgrink
15:48:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, ebruchez, klotz, Steeeven, nic1, Charlie, John_Boyer, Zakim, RRSAgent, wellsk, unl, Steven, shepazu, trackbot-ng
15:48:26 <Steven> In Venice...
15:48:36 <Zakim> +klotz
15:49:05 <Zakim> +??P5
15:49:06 <Charlie> Regrets for me as well for next week
15:49:15 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P5 is ebruchez
15:49:15 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
15:49:16 <Zakim> +unl
15:49:18 <Steven> And presumably regrets for MarkB
15:49:44 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0046.html
15:49:44 <wellsk> zakim, mute me
15:49:44 <Zakim> wellsk should now be muted
15:49:52 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:49:52 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:50:24 <Steven> Regrets from MarkB for today too
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15:52:41 <Roger> zakim, code?
15:52:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
15:53:39 <Zakim> + +03491211aaaa
15:53:45 <Roger> zakim, aaaa is Roger
15:53:45 <Zakim> +Roger; got it
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15:57:38 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Feb/0037.html
15:58:41 <nic1> not all changes
15:59:14 <nic1> only a few changes are back-ported
15:59:22 <nic1> ack, me
15:59:41 <nic1> zakim, unmute me
15:59:41 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
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16:08:43 <nic1> he mechanism for encoding character code points into bit patterns MAY vary from entity to entity. All XML processors MUST accept the UTF-8 and UTF-16 encodings of  Unicode 3.1 [Unicode3]; t
16:09:09 <nic1> Character Range[2]   Char   ::=   #x9 | #xA | #xD | [#x20-#xD7FF] | [#xE000-#xFFFD] | [#x10000-#x10FFFF]/* any Unicode character, excluding the surrogate blocks, FFFE, and FFFF. */
16:09:37 <nic1> http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml-20040204/#charsets
16:11:41 <nic1> new version : http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PER-xml-20080205/#charsets
16:11:55 <nic1> doesn't points to a certain version of unicode
16:15:19 <nic1> personally not happy with the change from a technical point of view, but I understand it from business point of view
16:17:15 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We respond to say that we have no objections to XML 1.0 PER 5.
16:17:54 <klotz> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to respond on behalf of Forms WG to say that we have no objections to XML 1.0 PER 5.
16:17:55 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-452 - Klotz to respond on behalf of Forms WG to say that we have no objections to XML 1.0 PER 5. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2008-02-20].
16:18:16 <John_Boyer> 28http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features#head-c6aaca91edf26a8918c6e59784a9de3f747e1f94 <http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features>
16:18:34 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features#head-c6aaca91edf26a8918c6e59784a9de3f747e1f94
16:23:34 <nic1> zakim, mute me
16:23:34 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:27:12 <nic1> it is only in XUpdate that you can change data
16:27:32 <nic1> and there it is quite limited what you can do
16:35:43 <Steven> q+
16:36:09 <John_Boyer> ack Steven
16:44:45 <nic1> But if Erik wants to create an AVT module, I think we shouldn't stop him of doing that...
16:45:04 <nic1> It is just another module
16:45:43 <nic1> q+
16:45:48 <ebruchez> Sure, but for a given feature, you do want working group support
16:45:56 <nic1> zakim, unmute me
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16:48:03 <klotz> If there is a way to express the effect of AVTs as self-modifying documents then there is likely a way to programmatically transforma AVT {}'s into equivalent AVT-free self-modifying markup.
16:53:33 <nic1> zakim, mute me
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17:09:55 <klotz> john see http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FrontPage
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17:12:35 <klotz> Is there someone willing to champion the 1.2 release pattern for wizards?
17:14:39 <Steven> yes
17:15:38 <ebruchez> I have to go, bye bye
17:15:43 <Zakim> -ebruchez
17:16:14 <nic1> bye 
17:16:15 <Zakim> -klotz
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17:16:25 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
17:16:26 <Zakim> Attendees were John_Boyer, wellsk, Charlie, Steven, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Susan_Borgrink, klotz, ebruchez, unl, +03491211aaaa, Roger
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17:16:54 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:16:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
17:16:59 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:16:59 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-forms-actions.rdf :
17:16:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to respond on behalf of Forms WG to say that we have no objections to XML 1.0 PER 5. [1]
17:16:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-forms-irc#T16-17-54