IRC log of er on 2008-02-13

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zakim, this will be ert
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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chair: Shadi
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Feb/0003.html
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agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI
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agenda+ Updated "Content-in-RDF" Editor's Draft
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agenda+ Planning further work & open action items
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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+Thomas
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+Thomas.a
13:31:30 [JohannesK]
Zakim, Thomas.a is really JohannesK
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+JohannesK; got it
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Zakim, Thomas is really CarlosV
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+CarlosV; got it
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+Shadi
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+Carlos_Iglesias
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-Carlos_Iglesias
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+Carlos_Iglesias
13:41:34 [shadi]
scribe: JohannesK
13:41:45 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI" taken up [from shadi]
13:43:11 [JohannesK]
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Jan/0007.html>
13:46:13 [JohannesK]
CI: too many different parameters (window size, screen resolution, font-size...) that are not controllable by the content creator
13:46:23 [JohannesK]
(1.4.8)
13:47:49 [JohannesK]
saz: I read it as having to insert a <br> after 80 characters
13:48:12 [shadi]
For the visual presentation of blocks of text, a mechanism is available to achieve the following:
13:52:59 [shadi]
For people with some reading or vision disabilities, long lines of text can become a significant barrier. They have trouble keeping their place and following the flow of text. Having a narrow block of text makes it easier for them to continue on to the next line in a block. Lines should not exceed 80 characters.
13:57:09 [JohannesK]
RESOLUTION: group agrees with CarlosI that 'width no more than 80 characters' is not sensible
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saz: e.g. in german (with very long words) magnification up to 200% will not wrap
13:59:14 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/advanced
14:00:52 [JohannesK]
saz: there are ways to use em
14:01:22 [JohannesK]
saz: note that the SC requires 'a mechanism', which can also be a style sheet switcher
14:03:44 [shadi]
Specifying line spacing of 1.5 in CSS (HTML, CSS, future link)
14:04:25 [JohannesK]
jk: 1.4.8 4th bullet: line spacing vs. line-height (CSS)
14:05:24 [JohannesK]
saz: 5th bullet: what is the base for 200%?
14:07:52 [shadi]
Providing options within the content to switch between layouts that use a variety of font sizes (future link)
14:09:45 [JohannesK]
1.4.9
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saz: it's a business issue
14:12:28 [JohannesK]
ci: it's a testability problem because there are no criteria for 'essential'
14:13:30 [JohannesK]
ci: no WCAG 2 docs shed light on this 'grey' area
14:13:53 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/visual-audio-contrast-text-images.html
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http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#puredecdef
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pure decoration
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serving only an aesthetic purpose, providing no information, and having no functionality
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Note: Text is only purely decorative if the words can be rearranged or substituted without changing their purpose.
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Example: The cover page of a dictionary has random words in very light text in the background.
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/visual-audio-contrast-text-images.html#visual-audio-contrast-text-images-examples-head
14:18:40 [JohannesK]
jk: the more difficult thing is visual presentation of text being 'essential'
14:20:13 [JohannesK]
ci: e.g. corporate design guidelines requiring a certain font for headlines
14:23:47 [JohannesK]
RESOLUTION: group agrees with CarlosI's comment on 1.4.9
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saz: ci, anything really pending things?
14:25:22 [JohannesK]
ci: the most interesting things for our group may be the last two comments
14:25:30 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
14:25:30 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Updated "Content-in-RDF" Editor's Draft" taken up [from shadi]
14:25:43 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Feb/0002
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Feb/att-0002/WD-Content-in-RDF-20080207.html
14:32:53 [shadi]
<h3><a id="example" name="example">
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<h3 id="example">
14:35:03 [JohannesK]
RESOLUTION: in ERT documents don't use div elements that don't have functions
14:35:42 [JohannesK]
RESOLUTION: keep a elements with name and id attribute for link targets
14:36:11 [shadi]
proposed namespace: http://www.w3.org/2007/content#
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proposed namespace: http://www.w3.org/ns/2007/content#
14:37:11 [JohannesK]
proposed namespace: http://www.w3.org/ns/content#
14:37:54 [JohannesK]
EARL namespace is http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#
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http://www.w3.org/2006/http#
14:39:53 [JohannesK]
saz: benefit for using years: versioning
14:41:07 [JohannesK]
ACTION saz and ci to send comments about Content-in-RDF to mailing list
14:41:11 [Zakim]
-Shadi
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-CarlosV
14:41:17 [JohannesK]
ACTION: saz and ci to send comments about Content-in-RDF to mailing list
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-Carlos_Iglesias
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-JohannesK
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were JohannesK, CarlosV, Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-er-minutes.html shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-er-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: saz and ci to send comments about Content-in-RDF to mailing list [1]
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