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13:23:26 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:23:26 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:23:32 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:23:36 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:28:23 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Feb/0003.html
13:28:39 <shadi> agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI
13:28:51 <shadi> agenda+ Updated "Content-in-RDF" Editor's Draft
13:29:01 <shadi> agenda+ Planning further work & open action items
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13:31:01 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:31:08 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:31:16 <Zakim> +Thomas.a
13:31:30 <JohannesK> Zakim, Thomas.a is really JohannesK
13:31:30 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
13:31:44 <JohannesK> Zakim, Thomas is really CarlosV
13:31:44 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
13:32:11 <Zakim> +Shadi
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13:37:20 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
13:38:05 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:41:34 <shadi> scribe: JohannesK
13:41:45 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:41:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI" taken up [from shadi]
13:43:11 <JohannesK> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Jan/0007.html>
13:46:13 <JohannesK> CI: too many different parameters (window size, screen resolution, font-size...) that are not controllable by the content creator
13:46:23 <JohannesK> (1.4.8)
13:47:49 <JohannesK> saz: I read it as having to insert a <br> after 80 characters
13:48:12 <shadi> For the visual presentation of blocks of text, a mechanism is available to achieve the following:
13:52:59 <shadi> For people with some reading or vision disabilities, long lines of text can become a significant barrier. They have trouble keeping their place and following the flow of text. Having a narrow block of text makes it easier for them to continue on to the next line in a block. Lines should not exceed 80 characters.
13:57:09 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: group agrees with CarlosI that 'width no more than 80 characters' is not sensible
13:58:41 <JohannesK> saz: e.g. in german (with very long words) magnification up to 200% will not wrap
13:59:14 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/advanced
14:00:52 <JohannesK> saz: there are ways to use em
14:01:22 <JohannesK> saz: note that the SC requires 'a mechanism', which can also be a style sheet switcher
14:03:44 <shadi> Specifying line spacing of 1.5 in CSS (HTML, CSS, future link)
14:04:25 <JohannesK> jk: 1.4.8 4th bullet: line spacing vs. line-height (CSS)
14:05:24 <JohannesK> saz: 5th bullet: what is the base for 200%?
14:07:52 <shadi> Providing options within the content to switch between layouts that use a variety of font sizes (future link)
14:09:45 <JohannesK> 1.4.9
14:11:38 <JohannesK> saz: it's a business issue
14:12:28 <JohannesK> ci: it's a testability problem because there are no criteria for 'essential'
14:13:30 <JohannesK> ci: no WCAG 2 docs shed light on this 'grey' area
14:13:53 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/visual-audio-contrast-text-images.html
14:14:02 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#puredecdef
14:14:54 <shadi> pure decoration
14:14:54 <shadi>     serving only an aesthetic purpose, providing no information, and having no functionality
14:14:54 <shadi>     Note: Text is only purely decorative if the words can be rearranged or substituted without changing their purpose.
14:14:54 <shadi>     Example: The cover page of a dictionary has random words in very light text in the background.
14:15:47 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20071211/visual-audio-contrast-text-images.html#visual-audio-contrast-text-images-examples-head
14:18:40 <JohannesK> jk: the more difficult thing is visual presentation of text being 'essential'
14:20:13 <JohannesK> ci: e.g. corporate design guidelines requiring a certain font for headlines
14:23:47 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: group agrees with CarlosI's comment on 1.4.9
14:24:57 <JohannesK> saz: ci, anything really pending things?
14:25:22 <JohannesK> ci: the most interesting things for our group may be the last two comments
14:25:30 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:25:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Updated "Content-in-RDF" Editor's Draft" taken up [from shadi]
14:25:43 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Feb/0002
14:25:54 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Feb/att-0002/WD-Content-in-RDF-20080207.html
14:32:53 <shadi> <h3><a id="example" name="example">
14:33:05 <shadi> <h3 id="example">
14:35:03 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: in ERT documents don't use div elements that don't have functions
14:35:42 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: keep a elements with name and id attribute for link targets
14:36:11 <shadi> proposed namespace: http://www.w3.org/2007/content#
14:36:39 <shadi> proposed namespace: http://www.w3.org/ns/2007/content#
14:37:11 <JohannesK> proposed namespace: http://www.w3.org/ns/content#
14:37:54 <JohannesK> EARL namespace is http://www.w3.org/ns/earl#
14:38:32 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2006/http#
14:39:53 <JohannesK> saz: benefit for using years: versioning
14:41:07 <JohannesK> ACTION saz and ci to send comments about Content-in-RDF to mailing list
14:41:11 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:41:16 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:41:17 <JohannesK> ACTION: saz and ci to send comments about Content-in-RDF to mailing list
14:41:18 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:41:25 <Zakim> -JohannesK
14:41:26 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:41:29 <Zakim> Attendees were JohannesK, CarlosV, Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias
14:54:07 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:54:12 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:54:18 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:54:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-er-minutes.html shadi
14:54:19 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:54:26 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:54:26 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-er-actions.rdf :
14:54:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: saz and ci to send comments about Content-in-RDF to mailing list [1]
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