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15:53:23 <vipul> Zakim, this is BIONT
15:53:23 <Zakim> vipul, I see SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be BIONT".
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15:53:43 <vipul> rrsagent, makes logs world-visible
15:53:43 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makes logs world-visible', vipul.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:54:03 <vipul> rrsagent, make logs world visible
15:54:03 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs world visible', vipul.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:54:51 <vipul> EricP, LeeF: how do I make the logs open to the public?
15:56:25 <LeeF> rrsagent, make logs world
15:56:34 <LeeF> vipul: less verbose :)
15:56:34 <vipul> Thanks Lee
15:56:39 <vipul> :)
15:57:38 <vipul> Do you know the commands for entering the agenda items?
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16:01:25 <alanr> zakim, bookmark
16:01:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'bookmark', alanr
16:01:30 <alanr> rrsagent, bookmark
16:01:30 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-hcls-irc#T16-01-30
16:01:55 <vipul> Zakim, this is BIONT
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16:01:57 <Zakim> ok, vipul; that matches SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
16:02:22 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
16:02:45 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
16:02:58 <vipul> Zakim, who is here?
16:03:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jennifer.Fostel, Jyoti, Alan, Vipul_Kashyap
16:03:13 <Zakim> +[Agfa]
16:03:13 <LeeF> zakim, code?
16:03:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see holger_stenzhorn, Helen, alanr, LeeF, Zakim, RRSAgent, vipul, ericP
16:03:26 <vipul> Zakim, [Agfa] is Helen
16:03:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jennifer.Fostel, Jyoti, Alan, Vipul_Kashyap, [Agfa], [IPcaller]
16:03:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see holger_stenzhorn, Helen, alanr, LeeF, Zakim, RRSAgent, vipul, ericP
16:03:48 <vipul> Zakim, Agfa is Helen
16:03:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 24668 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), LeeF
16:03:53 <Zakim> +Helen; got it
16:04:07 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
16:04:12 <alanr> not me
16:04:24 <Zakim> sorry, vipul, I do not recognize a party named 'Agfa'
16:04:27 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
16:04:37 <alanr> q?
16:04:44 <alanr> zakim, this is biont
16:04:48 <Zakim> +Bo
16:05:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jennifer.Fostel, Jyoti, Alan, Vipul_Kashyap, Helen, [IPcaller], Kerstin_Forsberg, Bo
16:05:25 <vipul> Zakim, IPcaller is Holger
16:05:27 <holger_stenzhorn> zakim, [IPcaller] is holger_stenzhorn
16:05:32 <Zakim> alanr, this was already SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
16:05:34 <Zakim> ok, alanr; that matches SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
16:05:41 <vipul> Zakim, who is here?
16:05:49 <Zakim> +??P51
16:05:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see holger_stenzhorn, Helen, alanr, LeeF, Zakim, RRSAgent, vipul, ericP
16:06:02 <LeeF> zakim, P51 is me
16:06:11 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
16:06:17 <Zakim> sorry, holger_stenzhorn, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
16:06:20 <vipul> Zakim, who is here?
16:06:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jennifer.Fostel, Jyoti, Alan, Vipul_Kashyap, Helen, Holger, Kerstin_Forsberg, Bo, ??P51
16:06:49 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'P51'
16:06:53 <LeeF> zakim, ??P51 is me
16:06:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jennifer.Fostel, Jyoti, Alan, Vipul_Kashyap, Helen, Holger, Kerstin_Forsberg, Bo, ??P51
16:07:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see holger_stenzhorn, Helen, alanr, LeeF, Zakim, RRSAgent, vipul, ericP
16:07:37 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
16:08:03 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=POMRGalenRDFPatient1.ppt
16:08:15 <vipul> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:08:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Jyoti
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16:10:05 <Jyoti> Vipul: during the last call I posted some slides. are there any comments?
16:10:19 <Jyoti> Alan: had a question on slide 4: what is P1?
16:11:26 <alanr> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/POMR?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=POMR-slides.html
16:12:03 <alanr> http://purl.org/cpr/1.0/problem-oriented-medical-record.owl
16:13:22 <Jyoti> Vipul: we will work on representing temporal constraints of the data. Parsa from Texas suggested that we can probably leverage OWL-time
16:13:49 <Jyoti> Vipul: to look at the GALEN encounter model as well, and will be informing the group as progess is being made
16:15:10 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=HL7MockPatientData.ppt
16:16:00 <Jyoti> Helen: discussed the representing parts of HL7 in OWL
16:19:07 <Jyoti> Helen: HL7 is based on the over-arching RIM model. A class hierarchy is constructed according to the ACT type code definition.
16:19:41 <Jyoti> Helen: looked at all the codes (originally represented in OO approach), and modeled them as OWL classes
16:20:56 <Jyoti> Alan: are the ACT classes modeled as RDF:List?
16:21:06 <Jyoti> Helen: they are modeled as OWL sub-classes in a hierarchy
16:22:29 <Jyoti> Helen: HL7 also has the vocabulary and code and they were also modeled as OWL classes (Slide 6
16:22:59 <Jyoti> Helen: HL7 also has "own" datatype which is different than XSD or RDF datatypes
16:23:07 <Jyoti> Vipul: can we use XML schema to represent the datatypes?
16:23:13 <Jyoti> Helen: perhaps not
16:24:10 <Jyoti> Helen: HL7 has clinical document arch. (CDA) for recording clinical events. These events are typically sent as HL7 messages in a hospital setting.
16:24:18 <alanr> example CDA -> http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/download/xml/1472-6947-7-14.xml
16:25:15 <Jyoti> Helen: A comparison between XSD schema elements and OWL constructs as made
16:25:32 <Jyoti> Helen: some can be modeled, but not all XSD constructs
16:27:17 <Jyoti> Helen: does OWL have the notion of "optional" similar to XML Schema?
16:27:50 <Jyoti> Alan: OWL is missing the mandatory idea. OWL just talks about what "exists", not what should be known
16:28:08 <Jyoti> Helen: OWL has everything has "optional", but only "mandatory" stuff
16:28:20 <Jyoti> Alan: OWL does not make the distinction between "optional" and "mandatory"
16:32:01 <Jyoti> Helen: explained slides 10, 11, 12, and 13 which contained mock up patient data described using elements from the HL7 RIM
16:34:21 <Jyoti> Alan: how do we distinguish between "past" and "present" medical condition of the patient?
16:35:28 <Jyoti> Helen: there is a way of saying "effective time" and "activity time" which can be used for making the distinction
16:37:42 <Jyoti> Alan: what is moodCode="EVN"?
16:38:20 <Jyoti> Helen: "EVN" corresponds to an event, it includes things such as "order", "request", "refferal" etc. These are more process oriented stuff
16:42:07 <alanr> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1380194
16:42:17 <alanr> "HL7 Clinical Document Architecture, Release 2"
16:42:39 <alanr> “EVN” (event), meaning that the Act is describing something that occurred; “DEF” (definition), meaning that the Act is providing a master file type of description; “INT” (intent), where the Act is describing an action plan or order; “GOL” (goal), for describing a desired outcome; “EVN.CRT” (event criterion), which represents an event that must apply for an associated...
16:42:40 <alanr> ...service to be considered.
16:45:29 <Jyoti> Helen: will also consider more details on interval reasoning rules
16:49:18 <Jyoti> Vipu to Alan: did you talk with Dan Russler?
16:49:31 <Jyoti> Alan: spoke briefly with Dan and found out that HL7 is a "model of reality"
16:50:54 <Jyoti> Alan: HL7 is trying to be an ontology, but not a file format?
16:53:44 <Jyoti> Helen: data entry is also considered as "ACT" too
16:54:26 <Jyoti> Alan: suggested Helen that we should take all the entries and put them in correct places. 
16:54:48 <Jyoti> Helen: HL7 actually never meant to be an ontology. It is more of a coding system and modeling in an old-fashioned way
16:55:20 <Jyoti> Vipul: Agrees with Alan that we should view HL7 as a source of content. Also, we need to distinguish between "observations" and "acts"
16:56:41 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2006Aug/0131.html
16:57:39 <Jyoti> Vipul: proposed that Alan, Holger et al. take a look at how they would model the patient data in OWL
16:58:41 <Jyoti> Vipul: good bye!
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16:58:53 <Zakim> -Helen
16:58:54 <Zakim> -Jyoti
16:59:10 <Zakim> -LeeF
16:59:11 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended
16:59:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Jennifer.Fostel, Jyoti, Alan, Vipul_Kashyap, Helen, Kerstin_Forsberg, Bo, Holger, LeeF
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17:07:02 <vipul> rrsagent, make minutes
17:07:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-hcls-minutes.html vipul
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