IRC log of wai-wcag on 2008-02-07

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-wai-wcag-irc
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RRSAgent, make log world
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zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:34:40 [Zakim]
ok, Ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 34 minutes ago
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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008JanMar/0050.html
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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Regrets: Sofia_Celic, Alex_Li, Roberto_Scano, Drew_LaHart
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Editorial Questions for 07 February 2008 <http://tinyurl.com/2ytzpw>
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agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 07 Feb 2008 <http://tinyurl.com/2zmvgz>
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agenda+ Round 2 Miscellaneous Proposals for 07 Feb 2008 <http://tinyurl.com/24k386>
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+??P4
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were
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+Bruce_Bailey
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+??P4
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+Bruce_Bailey
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+??P7
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+ +1.617.324.aaaa
21:01:51 [MichaelC]
zakim, +1.617 is Michael_Cooper
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+Michael_Cooper; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IPcaller is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
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zakim, ??P7 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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zakim, ??p4 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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+Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
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q?
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+[IBM]
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zakim, IBM is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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+Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
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+??P3
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zakim, ??3 is Roberto_Ellero
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sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '??3'
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zakim, ?3 is Roberto_Eller
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sorry, rellero, I do not recognize a party named '?3'
21:05:41 [Loretta]
Regrets: Alex, Sofia, Roberto Scano, Drew LaHart
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+Christophe_Strobbe
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tx
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+ +0154558aabb - is perhaps Sean_Hayes
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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zakim, who is on the phone?
21:07:12 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe, Sean_Hayes.a,
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... Bruce_Bailey
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:-)
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
21:10:23 [MichaelC]
zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from Ben]
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scribe: MichaelC
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+??P13
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zakim, ??P13 is Makoto_Ueki
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+Makoto_Ueki; got it
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q+
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q+
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ack q
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ack l
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q+
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ack m
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+[Microsoft]
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q?
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ack a
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ack k
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q+
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ack m
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zakim, next topic
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I don't understand 'next topic', MichaelC
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Editorial Questions for 07 February 2008 <http://tinyurl.com/2ytzpw>" taken up [from Ben]
21:19:10 [MichaelC]
RESOLUTION: Accept the following as proposed from all three surveys: 2419, 2420, 2423, 2454, 2524, 2525, 2526, 2552, 2553, 2554, 2556, 2557, 2560, 2419, 2420, 2423, 2454, 2524, 2525, 2526, 2552, 2553, 2554, 2556, 2557, 2560, 2480, 2416, 2417, 2430, 2433, 2438, 2545, 2540, 2453, 2565, 2566, 2489, 2462, 2410, 2394, 2395, 2515, 2428, 2468, 2397, 2470, 2425, 2411, 2388, 2569
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topic: Issue 2509 and 2511: awkward phrasing - Statement of partial conformance
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RESOLUTION: accept with Cynthia's modifications
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topic: Issue 2572: Clarify what 'which is optional' applies to
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RESOLUTION: accept with Christophe's modifications
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 07 Feb 2008 <http://tinyurl.com/2zmvgz>" taken up [from Ben]
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topic: Draft WCAG WG Charter
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q+
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+Tim_Boland
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ack g
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ack l
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q+
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ack c
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ack m
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+??P2
21:29:00 [MichaelC]
make note on TEITAC liaising that that's supposed to expire in 2008
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add liaison with access board
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q+
21:32:21 [MichaelC]
remove "and support of the document AFTER going to Recommendation" from intro
21:33:58 [Loretta]
fine with me!
21:35:14 [MichaelC]
remove nature of coordination with the groups with whom we coordinate
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add ETSI and CEN as external groups we coordinate with
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add to communication section that we also use online surveys to conduct work, and in weekly teleconferences
21:38:09 [Ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:38:09 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe, Sean_Hayes.a,
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... Bruce_Bailey, Makoto_Ueki, Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, ??P2
21:39:16 [Ben]
zakim, Gregg_Vanderheiden has Ben_Caldwell
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
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+ +1.617.584.aacc
21:40:58 [MichaelC]
zakim, +1.617 is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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q?
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q-
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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ack g
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RESOLUTION: send charter up for review with above notes integreated
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s/integreated/integrated
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topic: Issue 2436: Background images disappear with user-specific colors
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended with Cynthia's edit to note, though genericize OS name
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Issue 2463: aligned on both left and right
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RESOLUTION: accept as modified by Christophe
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topic: Issue 2464: line spacing
21:57:33 [MichaelC]
RESOLUTION: accept as modified by Bruce
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topic: Issue 2475: "well formed"
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-??P2
22:00:54 [Loretta]
Would suggest commas rather than parentheses
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RESOLUTION: accept as modified by Bruce and Gregg
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topic: Issue 2512: Statement of partial conformance - immediately?
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q+
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ack Bruce
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q+
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ack l
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ack a
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RESOLUTION: accept as modified by Andi, with "two business days" added to conformance
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topic: Issue 2517: blink vs flash
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RESOLUTION: accept as modified by Gregg
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Round 2 Miscellaneous Proposals for 07 Feb 2008 <http://tinyurl.com/24k386>" taken up [from Ben]
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topic: Revision to SC 4.1.2
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q+ to suggest that the note isn't needed
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q+
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ack b
22:20:56 [Zakim]
Ben, you wanted to suggest that the note isn't needed
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ack a
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q+
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"Notification of any changes ?"
22:28:08 [Christophe]
zakim, mute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
22:29:32 [Christophe]
zakim, unmute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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topic: Issue 2433: SC 1.4.3 - Step backwards from WCAG 1.0?
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
22:36:26 [Loretta]
Could it go into the Mapping document?
22:37:34 [MichaelC]
RESOLUTION: accept as modified by Gregg
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topic: Issue 2476: Sufficient techniques seems to contradict other areas and principles.
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RESOLUTION: accepted as amended by Ben
22:39:39 [MichaelC]
Issue 2566: Quick Ref Introduction, second part, trim wording
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:-(
22:40:10 [Loretta]
I have been able to work around this (sometimes) by using explicit server names.
22:45:46 [Loretta]
Try mojo.w3.org or kearny.w3.org
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RESOLUTION: accept as proposed
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Issue 2395 and 2515: Essential Exception
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{was included in UC}
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topic: Issue 2437: Why the exception for proper names and technical terms?
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended by Christophe
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topic: Issue 2403: unique link names?
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-Roberto_Ellero
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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-Andi_Snow-Weaver
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-Sean_Hayes.a
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-Tim_Boland
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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-Bengt_Farre
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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-Makoto_Ueki
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +1.617.324.aaaa, Michael_Cooper, [IPcaller], Bengt_Farre, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Roberto_Ellero,
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... Christophe_Strobbe, +0154558aabb, Sean_Hayes, Makoto_Ueki, Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, Ben_Caldwell, +1.617.584.aacc, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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Zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items