16:00:18 RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 16:00:18 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc 16:00:21 Zakim has joined #rdfa 16:00:25 zakim, this will be rdfa 16:00:25 ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start now 16:00:35 SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started 16:00:49 Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force 16:00:56 +Ralph 16:01:25 +??P3 16:01:31 Agemda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0018.html 16:01:35 zakim, I am ??P3 16:01:35 +msporny; got it 16:03:18 -> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-01-31 16:04:59 benadida has joined #rdfa 16:06:01 hmmm trouble with the conf line? 16:06:08 nope? 16:06:16 can't dial in, trying agin 16:06:23 trying again, hold 16:06:35 +Ben 16:07:15 Regrets: Mark, Michael 16:11:41 +ShaneM 16:12:28 Chair: Ben 16:12:39 scribe: Ralph 16:12:59 Topic: Action Review 16:13:20 ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] 16:13:22 -- continues 16:13:33 [DONE] ACTION: Ralph ask if tracker can also track public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] 16:13:43 Ralph: the answer was 'yes' 16:14:18 ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] 16:14:19 -- continues 16:14:49 Ben: there was some issue; what was it? something about recursion? 16:14:58 Manu: I don't think it was recursion 16:15:07 ... I'm processing things in a completely different way 16:15:13 ... had no problems until step 9 16:15:24 ... there are some steps that we might not need 16:15:39 ... logically some of the other things make some of the checks redundant 16:15:44 ... but nothing major that I see 16:15:57 ... Mark did note xml:lang / lang question 16:16:01 Ben: something deeper 16:16:20 ... there was something uncovered in direct translation of the spec to code 16:16:31 Manu: parent bnode not initalized 16:16:35 ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] 16:16:36 -- continues 16:16:45 [DONE] ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] 16:16:51 Ben: forgot to forward to rdfa 16:17:36 s/forward to/copy/ 16:18:08 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Feb/0024.html "Re: Best Practices Issue: RDF Format Discovery" [Ben 2008-02-06] 16:18:31 [DROP] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] 16:18:52 [DONE] ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] 16:20:26 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/2 RDFa issues tracker 16:20:38 ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 16:20:58 ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] 16:21:00 -- continues 16:21:12 [DONE] ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] 16:23:54 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0006.html "Followup on Dublin Core namespace" [Ralph 2008-02-04] 16:24:06 http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/ 16:24:15 Topic: Test Case Review 16:24:37 -- test 78; Multiple incomplete triples 16:24:59 Manu: I have an implementation question; how do we detect the difference between an unsafe CURIE and a mailto: URI? 16:25:11 Ben: we don't -- can't mix them in the same field 16:25:20 Manu: so mailto: looks like an unsafe CURIE? 16:25:29 Ben: yes 16:25:32 Shane: in what context? 16:25:38 Manu: consider test case 78 16:25:45

16:26:14 Manu: if this was @href='mailto:ivan@w3.org' 16:26:24 ... we don't know if this is a CURIE 16:26:44 Shane: resource has a datatype; by definition the value is only a CURIE if it has '[]' 16:26:53 ... and @href does not accept CURIEs 16:27:41 ... the spec gives the datatype for each attribute 16:28:49 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/#s_metaAttributes 16:29:17 Ralph: but don't take our word for it here :) make sure you agree that the spec is unambiguous on this question 16:29:54 Manu: again, only the XHTML and SPARQL are what we're evaluating 16:31:12 Ben, Ralph: SPARQL looks like what we'd expect 16:31:42 -- test 79 16:31:52 -- test 79; @resource and @href in completing incomplete triples 16:32:12 Ben: typo in the SPARQL "foaf:knows" 16:32:39 ... same typo in test 78 16:33:00 ... also, expand the nsprefix to full URIs 16:33:28 Shane: another typo; http://http:// 16:34:30 Ben: also ';' should be ',' 16:37:29 Manu: if we've use foaf:@@ in any existing tests they should fail and there's a flag for that, so we'll catch errors soon 16:37:43 -- test 80; @about overrides @resoruce in incomplete triples 16:37:58 Manu: same typos 'foaf knows', same nsprefix issue 16:38:11 Ben: is this the best title? 16:39:15 Ralph: is "@about sets subject" better? 16:39:21 Ben: "@about sets object" 16:39:24 Ralph: :) 16:40:02 Manu: also tests hanging @rel 16:40:15 "@about sets object for hanging @rel" 16:41:04 Ben: consider what else happens if additional markup is inside the P 16:41:17 ... not sure if we have consistent views on this 16:41:28 ... I think the @resource traverses down the tree 16:41:44 ... but it's an edge case and we should defer this 16:42:02 -- test 81; multiple ways of handling incomplete triples (with @rev) 16:42:31 Ben: your parser is doing really well if it passes test 81 16:43:27 Manu: again, use full URIs not PREFIX 16:44:09 Ben: anyone who actually _uses_ this markup has a twisted mind :) 16:52:45 Ben: 81 looks good to me 16:53:04 -- test 82; multiple ways of handling incomplete triples (with @rel and @rev) 16:53:58 Manu: thanks to Ivan for making these up 16:55:31 ... typo; first triple should end in '.', not ';' 16:56:10 ... missing predicate 16:56:16 ... in second triple 16:56:47 Ben: 82 looks good, with typos corrected 16:57:14 -- test 83 16:57:25 Ben: 83 looks good with same typo fixes 16:57:37 ... is test 78 with the bnodes named 16:58:02 multiple ways of handling incomplete triples (merged) 17:00:04 Ben: reminder, regrets for next week -- both SWD WG and RDFa calls 17:00:09 Manu: I'll attend the SWD call 17:02:03 -- test 84; multiple ways of handling incomplete triples, this time with both @rel and @rev 17:02:22 Ben: appears to be the same as 83; probably meant to be different 17:02:33 s/83/82/ 17:03:05 ... probably the second node was meant to be named, like 83 17:03:21 ... add @about to second node 17:05:22 Ben: [as I'm out next week], I'll look at tests 85 - 88 offline and mail comments 17:06:24 Shane: the XHTML2 WG resolved to request Last Call transition 17:07:16 Ben: regrets for 14-Feb and 21-Feb 17:08:41 http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-xhtml-minutes#item03 17:09:05 [adjourned] 17:09:08 Pointer to resolution ^^^ 17:09:10 -msporny 17:09:12 -Ben 17:09:14 rrsagent, please make record public 17:09:23 -Ralph 17:09:24 -ShaneM 17:09:25 SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended 17:09:26 Attendees were Ralph, msporny, Ben, ShaneM 17:09:29 rrsagent, please draft minutes 17:09:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph 17:10:55 zakim, bye 17:10:55 Zakim has left #rdfa 17:12:20 [WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] 17:12:21 rrsagent, please draft minutes 17:12:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph 17:12:44 rrsagent, bye 17:12:44 I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-actions.rdf : 17:12:44 ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [1] 17:12:44 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-13-20 17:12:44 ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [2] 17:12:44 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-14-18 17:12:44 ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [3] 17:12:44 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-16-35 17:12:44 ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [4] 17:12:44 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-20-38 17:12:44 ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [5] 17:12:44 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-20-58