IRC log of databinding on 2008-02-05

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Zakim, this will be DBWG

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ok, trackbot-ng; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 05 February 2008

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+George_Cowe

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hi!

15:05:18 [pauld]

zakim, code?

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the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld

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+ +7.918.8.aaaa

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zakim, aaaa is me

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+Yves

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+pauld; got it

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scribe: pauld

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Topic Administrivia

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pauld: sorry, didn't get an agenda for today!

15:09:33 [pauld]

minutes from 2008-01-30, 2008-01-31, 2008-02-01 F2F (W3C ERCIM Sophia Antipolis, France)

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2007-12-18 teleconference

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2007-10-30 teleconference

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2007-10-09, 2007-10-10, 2007-10-11 Interoperability Workshop (BT, London, England)

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2007-08-01, 2007-08-02, 2007-08-03 F2F (Origo, Edinburgh, Scotland) approved!

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pauld: topics for today

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.. idea was to move to Last Call on Basic, review where we are with our standing issues, detection and test suite

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Topic: ISSUE-2: test suite

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george: generated reports for 10 toolkits, took longer than I expected as new patterns caused barfing

15:11:52 [Yves]

http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/report/all.html

15:12:08 [pauld]

george: don't have the environments for BEA, ZSI etc

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pauld: OK, we can't carry on doing this for ever

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http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/report/basic.html

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we've a lot of white, does that mean we didn't run the tests, not that they barfed

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george: new examples means we get an unbalanced view

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george: if we don't rerun a toolkit, we need to remove it

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pauld: prefer to highlight where it barfed rather than when we didn't run it

15:19:13 [pauld]

maybe I could regenerate this: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/venn/venn.html

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yves: I have the list of which examples aren't good

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2008Jan/att-0003/process.jpg

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yves: I can add "exclude error" which will turn white to red for barfing

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george: concerned that some tools have more green than others, just because we haven't rerun them

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pauld: seems ok but we need to change the text "(White) indicates the test was not run. Often this is because the toolkit was unable to consume the XML Schema or WSDL document." for skipped in the report

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pauld: I will fix that

15:26:01 [pauld]

pauld: so as far as testing goes, we need Yves fix, my venn regenerated/improved and change to text

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.. also nice to see if we can't get Adrian to help re-run

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+??P0

15:27:56 [gcowe]

Spring (Castor) and BEA Weblogic testsuite not successfully run yet.

15:29:57 [gcowe]

Axis 1.4, Axi2 1.3 (ADB), Axis2 1.3 (XMLBeans), .Net, Mono, Spring (JAXB2), Spring (XMLBeans), Spring (XMLBeans), XFire and XFire (XMLBeans) all rerun successfully. Can Yves rerun report?

15:30:05 [pauld]

yves: more vendor tools, the better

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and PHP too! nearly forgot about that one.

15:31:01 [Yves]

the report is up to date

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pauld: would be good to tidy the report up ahead of a director's call

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I will rerun after editing the toolkit.xml

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Topic: ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema

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pauld: working on this, my annotated schema is very slow to generate, will continue to work on this

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yves: the service works with the directly with the patternsdetector.xsl latest

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yves: uses the standard W3C XSLT service

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yves: if you want to run on a local schema, you can download the command line version

15:38:02 [pauld]

george: you need to work from the command line, not as simple as using the web site

15:39:45 [pauld]

pauld: wonder if there is a quick win using an online service, sounds like a similar issue to the microformats stylesheet/plugins

15:41:49 [pauld]

pauld: ok, who knows, the stylesheet may find its way into Oxygen, XMLSpy, etc

15:43:13 [pauld]

we need to do more work on this and the collection before we can progress Advanced

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zakim, mute jonc

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JonC should now be muted

15:45:03 [pauld]

pauld: suspect we need more work, and as we add more patterns, we'll need to do more work to make them coherent

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george: I spotted a couple with maxOccurs which seemed unnecessary

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Topic: Basic Last Call

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zakim, unmute jonc

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JonC should no longer be muted

15:47:06 [pauld]

pauld: thanks Jon for your patterns text

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pauld: will try to incorporate the text in a human readable, but precise way (a challenge!)

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jonc: I think we need more explanation of XPaths

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pauld: worried we sail down a slippery slope, but will try

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pauld: any objections on moving Basic to second Last Call, expecting it'll go to PR>

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pauld: none heard

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yves: four weeks is the minimum, seems sufficient for me. We didn't make many changes.

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pauld: we made a resolution to move dateTime to advanced based on testing, but how do we feel about that now?

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george: happy for it to be in advanced, does have issues.

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yves: they're ok, so long as they're between 1970 and 2038 and timezone qualified, and 5 digit years!

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pauld: so we're still OK with Advanced?

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.. tools map it to a programming dateTime type which isn't a good fit

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pauld: next call in two weeks time, when we'll look at Advanced

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/05-databinding-minutes.html pauld

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-pauld

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-JonC

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-George_Cowe

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-Yves

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Attendees were George_Cowe, +7.918.8.aaaa, Yves, pauld, JonC

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