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15:55:38 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
15:55:41 <msporny> I don't really know what I'm doing *waves Zakim wildly in the air*
15:55:46 <msporny> :)
15:55:46 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
15:55:52 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa
15:55:52 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
15:56:36 <msporny> :)
16:02:08 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
16:02:15 <Zakim> +Ralph
16:02:53 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0299.html
16:02:54 <Ralph> (sort-of)
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16:03:26 <Ralph> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html
16:03:39 <Zakim> +??P17
16:03:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:51 <Ralph> Chair: Ben
16:04:00 <Ralph> zakim, ??p17 Manu
16:04:00 <Zakim> I don't understand '??p17 Manu', Ralph
16:04:03 <Ralph> zakim, ??p17 is Manu
16:04:03 <Zakim> +Manu; got it
16:04:11 <Ralph> zakim, Manu is really Ben
16:04:11 <Zakim> +Ben; got it
16:04:16 <Ralph> zakim, ipcaller is Manu
16:04:16 <Zakim> +Manu; got it
16:05:56 <Ralph> Scribe: Ralph
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16:09:34 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
16:09:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:10:51 <Zakim> +??P21
16:11:02 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
16:11:02 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
16:11:38 <Ralph> Regrets: Michael
16:13:05 <Ralph> Manu: 3 test cases that need to be reviewed and 2 old ones (34 and 38) need to be updated
16:14:24 <Ralph> Topic: Action Review
16:14:27 <benadida> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
16:14:44 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
16:14:47 <Ralph> -- continues
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16:14:56 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:14:57 <Ralph> -- continues
16:15:02 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:15:03 <Ralph> -- continues
16:15:12 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
16:15:13 <Ralph> -- continues
16:15:20 <Ralph> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:15:21 <Ralph> -- continues
16:15:27 <Ralph> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:15:27 <Ralph> -- continues
16:15:33 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:15:33 <Ralph> -- continues
16:16:23 <Ralph> Ralph: The SWD WG asked me to confirm that the Syntax WD we just handed over is our Last Call candidate
16:16:34 <Ralph> Ben: we can still tweak it based on review comments
16:16:40 <Ralph> Mark: there are some corrections
16:16:53 <Ralph> ... e.g. a glaring omission in the processing rules where I forgot to set the parent node
16:18:30 <ShaneM>  I forgot we had a meeting - am I needed?
16:18:46 <benadida> sure, come on in, it'll be short
16:18:48 <Ralph> Ralph: just make sure there's an email trail for any technical changes
16:19:35 <Ralph> Ralph: SWD WG plans to have the Last Call resolution on the agenda for the 12 Feb telecon
16:19:43 <Ralph> Ben: I'm away for 12 and 19 Feb
16:20:32 <Ralph> Manu: I'll try to make it
16:20:46 <Ralph> s/ it/ it to the 12-Feb SWD WG telecon/
16:22:07 <Ralph> Ralph: the SWD chairs also want to remind the XHTML2 WG to make the same Last Call transition resolution
16:22:19 <Ralph> Mark: we'd planned for 2 weeks in XHTML2 WG
16:23:08 <Ralph> ... we plan to vote before 12 Feb
16:23:30 <Ralph> ... oops, Steven and I will miss next week's XHTML2 WG meeting
16:23:59 <Ralph> ... I'll discuss with Shane
16:25:01 <Ralph> Topic: Test Cases
16:25:05 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
16:25:26 <Ralph> -- test 34
16:25:41 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0306.html Mark's comments on test 34
16:26:36 <benadida> Mark wrote:
16:26:37 <benadida>   <div about="http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i" rel="foaf:img">
16:26:37 <benadida>     <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg"
16:26:37 <benadida>       alt="A photo depicting Michael" />
16:26:38 <benadida>   </div>
16:26:49 <Ralph> (simple img[@src])
16:27:01 <msporny> <http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i> foaf:img <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg>
16:28:12 <Ralph> Manu: we agree this triple is the intended triple?
16:28:34 <Ralph> ... the test was using @src as the @rel target
16:29:15 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 34 triple to be updated as Manu indicated
16:30:00 <Ralph> -- test 38 @rev - img[@src]
16:30:07 <Ralph> Ben: looks pretty much the same
16:30:21 <Ralph> ... Hey!  I haven't really thought through a hanging @rev issue :)
16:30:32 <Ralph> Mark: it'll keep you awake :)
16:31:23 <msporny> <div about="http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i" rev="foaf:depicts">
16:31:29 <msporny> <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg"
16:31:32 <msporny> alt="A photo depicting Michael" />
16:31:36 <msporny> </div>
16:31:58 <msporny> <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg> foaf:depicts <http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i>
16:33:53 <Ralph> RESOLVED: correct test 38 markup per Manu's typescript
16:34:17 <Ralph> Mark: we need some new tests
16:34:34 <Ralph> ... we changed these tests in one way; to move @about to DIV
16:34:52 <Ralph> ... we need 2 new tests to test @src as subject
16:35:07 <Ralph> ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject
16:35:37 <Ralph> -- test 73 Relative URI in @resource (with XHTML base in head)
16:36:31 <Ralph> Manu: test 73 gives the creator of the document using @base
16:36:40 <Ralph> Ben: but @base changes the default subject
16:37:09 <Ralph> ... note that the N3 and RDF are currently correct
16:37:30 <Ralph> Ralph: so let's keep this test for exactly that reason and make a new one
16:38:14 <msporny> ASK WHERE {
16:38:17 <Ralph> ... unless we already have tests that show @about overriding @base
16:38:36 <msporny> <http://www.example.org/> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> <http://www.example.org/jane> .
16:40:56 <Ralph> Ben: test 74 is the same with @href
16:42:24 <Ralph> RESOLVED: Test 73 approved with correction to SPARQL
16:42:54 <Ralph> RESOLVED: Test 74 approved with correction to SPARQL
16:42:57 <Ralph> -- test 75
16:43:07 <Ralph> Reserved word 'license' in @rel with no explizit @about
16:43:44 <Ralph> Manu: the N3 and RDF have been generated from Ivan's pyrdf so they're not up to date
16:43:48 <msporny> ASK WHERE {
16:44:10 <msporny> <http://www.example.org/> <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#license> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/> .
16:44:11 <msporny> }
16:44:44 <Ralph> RESOLVED: Test 75 approved with correction to SPARQL
16:46:01 <Ralph> Manu: there were questions about tests 63 and 66
16:46:11 <Ralph> ... were changes proposed?
16:46:11 <Zakim> +ShaneM
16:46:21 <Ralph> [Shane joins]
16:46:49 <Ralph> Mark: I was explaining the current rules to Ivan 
16:46:55 <Ralph> ... I agree 63 is still fine
16:47:13 <Ralph> ... test 66 is fine but the document doesn't fully explain @about="" and I need to fix this
16:47:39 <Ralph> ... are people really happy with test 66?
16:48:29 <Ralph> ... I'm not sure people's expectations are matched
16:49:05 <Ralph> Ben: let's stick with our decision
16:49:33 <Ralph> Mark: it's a corner case anyway
16:50:03 <Ralph> ... [considering the interpretation if we hadn't made @about="" the default in HEAD]
16:54:24 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/2 RDFa issues tracker
16:56:18 <Ralph> ACTION: Ralph ask if tracker can also track public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf
16:59:39 <Zakim> -ShaneM
17:00:20 <Ralph> Ben: I still have the open action to update tracker
17:00:21 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
17:00:22 <Zakim> -Manu
17:00:28 <Zakim> -Ben
17:00:30 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
17:00:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, Ben, Manu, markbirbeck, ShaneM
17:00:39 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:00:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
17:02:44 <Ralph> zakim, bye
17:02:44 <Zakim> Zakim has left #rdfa
17:02:46 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-actions.rdf :
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [1]
17:02:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-14-44
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [2]
17:02:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-14-56
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [3]
17:02:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-02
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [4]
17:02:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-12
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [5]
17:02:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-20
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [6]
17:02:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-27
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [7]
17:02:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-33
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [8]
17:02:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-35-07
17:02:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph ask if tracker can also track public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf [9]
17:02:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-56-18