IRC log of xhtml on 2008-01-30

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-irc
13:56:25 [Steven]
rrsagent, make log public
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zakim, this will be xhtml
13:56:31 [Zakim]
ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:49 [Steven]
zakim, feature request
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I don't understand 'feature request', Steven
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IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has now started
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+Roland
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Meeting: XHTML2 Weekly Teleconference
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Chair: Roland
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zakim, dial steven-617
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ok, Steven; the call is being made
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+Steven
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+??P7
14:01:26 [yamx]
zakim, ?P7 is yamx
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sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P7'
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14:01:36 [yamx]
zakim, ??P7 is yamx
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+yamx; got it
14:01:53 [Steven]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036
14:01:58 [Steven]
Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036
14:02:32 [ShaneM_]
zakim, code
14:02:32 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'code', ShaneM_
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14:03:07 [ShaneM_]
zakim, what is the code
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I don't understand 'what is the code', ShaneM_
14:03:18 [Steven]
FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF
14:03:27 [Steven]
zakim, code?
14:03:27 [Zakim]
the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
14:03:36 [Steven]
Zakim loves question marks
14:03:44 [ShaneM_]
zakim sucks
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+ +1.763.767.aaaa
14:04:14 [ShaneM_]
zakim, aaaa is ShaneM_
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+ShaneM_; got it
14:04:18 [Steven]
I think it ought to be more accepting of questions without the marks
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+gshults
14:04:46 [Steven]
zakim, who is here?
14:04:46 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults
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On IRC I see alessio, markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh
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Scribe: Steven
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Regrets: Gregory
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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Topic: Announcements
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+??P10
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Steven: I read the selectors API spec
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... no real comments
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-??P10
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ACTION: Steven to send response on selctors API
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FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF
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Topic: FtF
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Steven: Please fill in the form even if you can't come
14:12:55 [markbirbeck]
zakim, code?
14:12:55 [Zakim]
the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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+??P10
14:13:22 [markbirbeck]
zakim, i am ?
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+markbirbeck; got it
14:14:07 [Steven]
zakim, who is here?
14:14:07 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck
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On IRC I see markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh
14:14:27 [Steven]
Yam: Do we really have a three day agenda?
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Roland: I definitely think there is 3 days of work on XHTML2
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... and there is surelky other work to do
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Gerrie: Will ther eonly be IRC?
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Steven: Also Skype to my id
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Topic: ARIA
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Roland: Neither RIck or Gregory here today
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Steven: I was expecting Rich today
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Roland: He had sent regrets for the last weeks, maybe he's travelling
14:17:01 [Steven]
Topic: M12N
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Steven: I have sent the transition request off, so it's in the pipeline
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Topic: RDFa
14:17:34 [Steven]
Roland: Shane has pointed out the new draft on the Drafts page
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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax
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Shane: Lots of changing, all diff marked
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... we need to resolve to send it to last call
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... there is an issue we have to take a decision on
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... we used values for @rel and @property from
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... XHTML2
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... and these are enumerated in the spec
14:19:37 [alessio]
sorry but I'm having serious trouble in connection, trying to rejoin
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... the chair of the TF has said that it is our decision about extending these
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Shane: This is section 9
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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/#s_metaAttributes
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+??P11
14:21:53 [alessio]
zakim, +P11 is Alessio
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sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+P11'
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zakim, +??P11 is Alessio
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sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11'
14:22:08 [alessio]
zakim, ??P11 is Alessio
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+Alessio; got it
14:23:14 [Steven]
Steven: We are grandfathering them in from XHTML1
14:25:20 [ShaneM_]
there is an issue with the use of non-xhtml defined values (e.g., nofollow) - since these values are not defined they will not by default generate triples in XHTML+RDFa
14:26:25 [Steven]
Steven: The only problem area is when peoiple use values outside this list
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... such as nofoloow
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s/nofolooe/nofollow/
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Shane: Traditionally you can use other values if you use @profile
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Roland: Any other comments?
14:27:19 [Steven]
Shane: There is as yet no schema implementation
14:28:40 [Steven]
... but there is no problem with adding a schema later
14:29:07 [Steven]
Roland: Who do we want to comment on it at last call?
14:31:06 [Steven]
Steven: We can ask at HCG if HTML5 are interested. DanC is chair, and he has interest
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Mark: The Semweb people are going to vote to take this to LC on 9th Feb
14:32:00 [Steven]
... if we can match that that would be good
14:33:49 [gshults]
I do not
14:34:16 [Steven]
Steven: Since this document is produced by people from this group I would propoise that we take this as a recomendation to go to last call, and that anyone who wants more time should speak up now, otherwise we resolve
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Roland: Let's make that resolution next wekk
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... this is due warning for people to review it this week
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s.wekk/week/
14:35:09 [Steven]
Topic: XHTML 1.1 SE
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Roland: Any change on this?
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... We talked about it last week\
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Shane: I update the draft
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Roland: so we are just waiting on M12N
14:36:27 [Steven]
Topic: Bug in Basic
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0029.html
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ACTION: Shane to check
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s/check/check bug in Basic 1.1/
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Shane: hr is Basic right?
14:37:54 [Steven]
Steven: Yes
14:38:27 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
14:39:03 [Steven]
Topic: Role comments
14:39:22 [Steven]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0032.html
14:42:12 [Steven]
Steven: We don't require a DTD, jsut M12n
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Shane: You have to interface to one of our normative implementations of M12N, so that includes DTD
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Steven: How about: "XHTML doesn't
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> really envision the idea of adding attributes to a document after it is
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> loaded (after DOMready or the LOAD event fires)."
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Steven: Do we agree?
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Roland: No
14:49:03 [Steven]
Shane: We don't say anything about it
14:49:14 [Steven]
Steven: But it is part of the real world expectations of XHTML
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... I don't think any spec requires the DOM tree to remain conformant wit the DTD/schema
14:56:18 [Steven]
Steven: I see now. He is interpreting this as a syntax+DOM spec. BUt it is actually just a syntax spec
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Shane: Another question he has, about what happens when role has more than one value
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-Alessio
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... and about non-prefixed values that aren;'t in our set
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Steven: Either leave it to the host languag, or require it to be ignored
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... and if we make a decision we have to add it to the spec
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Steven: We ignore similar rel values don't we?
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Mark: We do now
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rel ::= (linktype | CURIE)*
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Steven: We may as well do the same for role
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... it would be consistent
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Mark: They should come from the same taxonomy
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... since a role ccould have a rel value
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s/cc/c/
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RESOLUTION: non prefixed role values not in the standard list should be ignored
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-ShaneM_
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-Roland
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-markbirbeck
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-gshults
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-Steven
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-yamx
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IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Roland, Steven, yamx, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck, Alessio
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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