IRC log of sweo on 2008-01-30

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Meeting: SWEO Weekly Telco
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Chair: Susie
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Regrets: Pasquale
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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
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+LeeF
14:57:59 [LeeF]
zakim, mute me please
14:57:59 [Zakim]
sorry, LeeF, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
14:58:09 [LeeF]
zakim, that's a ridiculously dumb rule
14:58:09 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'that's a ridiculously dumb rule', LeeF
14:58:29 [LeeF]
Yes, I know you don't. If you understood it, you wouldn't have done it in the first place.
14:58:35 [ivan]
zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:58:35 [Zakim]
ok, ivan; the call is being made
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+Ivan
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+Susie
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+benji
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+??P3
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+Frank
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zakim, ??P3 is kidehen
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+kidehen; got it
15:01:24 [LeeF]
zakim, mute me please
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LeeF should now be muted
15:01:39 [Kjetil]
Zakim, what is the code
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I don't understand 'what is the code', Kjetil
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+??P11
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Zakim, what is the code?
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the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Kjetil
15:01:55 [ivan]
zakim, ??P1 is andea
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+andea; got it
15:02:15 [ivan]
zakim, andea is andrea
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+andrea; got it
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+??P13
15:02:45 [Kjetil]
Zakim, ??P13 is me
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+Kjetil; got it
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+??P15
15:03:21 [JacekK]
zakim, ??P15 is me
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+JacekK; got it
15:04:22 [Susie]
Zakim, pick a scribe
15:04:22 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JacekK
15:04:58 [Susie]
Zakim, pick a scribe
15:04:58 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JacekK
15:05:03 [Susie]
Zakim, pick a scribe
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ivan
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+ +1.603.886.aaaa
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scribenick: ivan
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zakim, aaaa is Melli
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+Melli; got it
15:05:23 [kidehen]
brb as baby calls
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topic: debrief for sweo
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http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Next_Steps
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susie: benji entered some information on the wiki for this
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... we may want to start with that
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... what went well, what should be done better next time
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... at the top benji listed the business presentation
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... which is hard to say where it goes now
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... it is hard to tell because it is work in progress
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... but it looks like progressing well, jeff's doc is excellent
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... I view that as almost a success
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Susie: next area is collaterals
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... ie, flyer
15:08:23 [ivan]
... benji claims that it was successful, but the challenge was that many different people had different views
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... that made it hard to create
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... it would be easier to create multiple flyers
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... but having collaterals aligned with messaging is important
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... the other problem was that the comm team was not there early enough
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... i think the fact that we did that was a success, we learned on the process
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... next time we would have the high level message first, with the agrrement of the comm team
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... maybe have multiple flyers
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q+
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ivan: the swedish office will use this for the first time, the first feedbacks are positive
15:11:09 [ivan]
susie: under the collateral, let us include the cool uri
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... it is more technical than initially expected sweo would create
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... i think that will be a valuable resource
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... something that it is very much needed
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... we should have put it into w3c process in an early stage
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... it would have given us better reviews
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... but it is something which is valuable
15:12:31 [ivan]
susie: community projects: the success around those are mixed
15:12:47 [ivan]
... the lod is huegely successful, and it has its life of its own
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... the knowee may go forward, that is something else that might be successful
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... but kjetil could not put time into his community project, and the powder one did not start at all :-(
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... i do not know what we could have done differently
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... the steps of selection seemed good
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susie: faq document has definitely been succesful
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... as i mentioned, Lilly uses it for its recruitement...
15:14:36 [Kjetil]
Zakim, who is talking?
15:14:41 [ivan]
susie: the case study is also very successful
15:14:49 [Zakim]
Kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Susie (70%), kidehen (45%), Frank (4%), andrea (51%), Melli (40%)
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... people find it very useful
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... and it is referred to frequently
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... something that we should continue developing
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susie: information gathering
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... something that we could have worked on a smoother fashion
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... different people had different ideas
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... it would have been wonderful to gather all the info with a shiny user interface
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... but in reality we do not have the resource to develop something like that, it was a tricky task
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... i guess again it would have been to be much more concrete at the very beginning with everybody in agreement
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... and then try to move forward, we lost a bit our direction
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susie: the preferred document collection is still ongoing, and it is difficult to judge where it will progress
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... danny sent out some info, but it still needs polishing
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... it is also a tricky one to pursue
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susie: the enterprise survey
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... it was good at the beginning to get feedback to help influence the group
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... we failed in writing the survey
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... the challenge there that we had a single person bottleneck:-(
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... that is also a lesson learnt
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susie: logos
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... benji's view is that it is quite a success but not as much as suspected
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... benji worked a lot a tech logos
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... it seems like that we worked a lot on something that did not have a result
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... but our work pushed the comm team to really take the sw logo seriously
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... i think the outcome of the work is really good
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... having helped create this is good
15:19:57 [ivan]
susie: that is what we focussed on
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... i think we did good stuff
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... comments, thoughts, feeling, ideas?
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q+
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ack ivan
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ack Kjetil
15:21:07 [ivan]
Kjetil: good summary, we have been thinking about what our customer need?
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... the ent. survey was very important for us
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... but also for our own consulatncy company
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... it is something that we would commit to do in near future
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... so i think that is something that we would perhaps do another one
15:23:01 [ivan]
... the problem was to have member using time on sweo work
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... it is a bit difficult to convince management to put manpower into sweo
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... whatever we would want should be more convicing for people who have the budge
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susie: on the en. survey, it was a good resource for the sweo work
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... wing actually presented it on a meeting
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... but i agree that the survey was done 18 months ago, that is a while ago for tech area
15:24:33 [LeeF]
It would be quite interesting to do a follow-up and compare, though i have no idea who has the bandwidth for it :)
15:24:43 [ivan]
... maybe the new sweo might want to do it
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... the challenge is to get enough people to answer
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... for the current one, many responder did not answer all questions, only the simple one
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... it is also quite hard to get people to participate in sweo
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... we will have to work on the charter to be more concincing
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... when this group was started, we expected lots of marketing people, but the profile of the people participating did not match that
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... for the next one it is a challenge to get that...
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q?
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q+
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+1
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+1
15:27:15 [Melli]
+1
15:27:18 [JacekK]
+1
15:27:19 [ivan]
ivan: I think that is the right time to thank Susie, who did a great job chairing!
15:27:21 [LeeF]
+1 indeed
15:27:21 [kidehen]
+5
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+1
15:27:31 [Andrea]
+1
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+ infinitie
15:27:39 [LeeF]
ahaha
15:27:49 [LeeF]
don't we all, zakim, don't we all.
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Topic: extension
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susie: last week we discussed the extension
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... we have not a comfirmation yet
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... but it is likely to be done
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... business presentation
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... uri document
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... benji's project
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... improvement of the use cases
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... document collection
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... these are the items we used for an extension
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+??P8
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Zakim, ??P8 is me
15:30:39 [Zakim]
+uldis; got it
15:30:41 [ivan]
... if we get the extension, we will continue the calles
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... we would then continue on these topics
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topic: business presentation
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susie: jeff is not on the call
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+??P9
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... but it seems to progress well
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zakim, ??P9 is martin
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+martin; got it
15:31:43 [ivan]
... we got feedbacks from Ian Jacobs
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+ +49.176.2.aabb
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zakim, aabb is Leo
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+Leo; got it
15:32:18 [ivan]
... ivan, lee and Ian provided feedbacks
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... we are finishing the document and then jeff can convert that into a set of slides
15:32:44 [ivan]
Topic: info gathering
15:33:10 [ivan]
susie: i looked at the web site, I still hit a couple of glitches
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... basically my browser had problems to go to any of the web sites
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... it kind of hangs, eg, on the sparql demo page
15:34:01 [ivan]
leo: when tim and I looked at it?
15:34:25 [ivan]
kingsley: is susie supposed to interact with w3c or the openlink site?
15:34:38 [ivan]
Susie: i used the official info gathering point
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... but i just want to look at the result
15:34:59 [ivan]
leo: the think the thing is a bit buggy
15:35:17 [ivan]
kidehen: it is not necessarily bug
15:36:22 [ivan]
kidehen: you should give me a list that you and tim agreed are issues
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... (to leo)
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... then i can look at some very specific items
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... then I can comment
15:36:56 [ivan]
Susie: Leo, you seem to have a list of things
15:38:00 [ivan]
action Leo: send to kingsley the agreed action items
15:38:07 [ivan]
topic: cool uri document
15:38:27 [ivan]
susie: it is likely that sweo will be extended, so leo, you will time to update the document
15:38:44 [ivan]
leo: i did not do anything yet, we are having tough project work here
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... I will then squeeze it in
15:39:54 [ivan]
ivan: if we get the extension, it may be two months, that might be your deadline
15:40:14 [ivan]
Susie: even if we get it, help of february would be a really good deadline
15:40:25 [ivan]
Leo: we may want to have another editor
15:40:35 [ivan]
Susie: what about asking danny?
15:40:51 [ivan]
... richard and max?
15:41:03 [ivan]
... max I do not think so, he has his phd to finish
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... richard is now at deri, but i will try
15:41:21 [Zakim]
-Leo
15:41:35 [ivan]
Topic: use case
15:41:52 [ivan]
Melli: i expect to have the update done within a week or so
15:41:55 [LeeF]
I didn't make progress this past week because my SWEO time went to the biz prez instead, sorry! back to use case facets this week :)
15:42:39 [ivan]
ivan: the use case project _will_ continue regardless of the extension
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Topic: FAQ
15:43:07 [Zakim]
-Melli
15:43:20 [ivan]
Susie: harry halpin submitted something on GRDDL
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ivan: I have not seen it yet
15:44:07 [Kjetil]
Zakim, mute me
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Kjetil should now be muted
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ivan: we may also have an entry on the sparql followup
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topic: preferred document
15:44:32 [ivan]
susie: danny is not here, no update
15:44:42 [ivan]
topic: comm project
15:45:02 [ivan]
kidehen: i am still waiting on the final dataset for a reload
15:45:10 [ivan]
... there will be a conference
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q+
15:46:00 [JacekK]
ivan: W3C has a track at the WWW conference, always with a SemWeb session
15:46:21 [JacekK]
ivan: there will be a half-hour overview of linking open data project within that track
15:46:36 [ivan]
susie: knowee?
15:46:43 [ivan]
bengee: i am about to launch!
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... i hope to be able to launch it today!
15:47:06 [ivan]
:-)
15:47:17 [ivan]
Topic: AOB
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1...2...3......
15:47:37 [FrankC]
+q
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ack ivan
15:47:57 [ivan]
susie: i would like to thank everybody for their work and intpu
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s/intpu/input/
15:48:18 [ivan]
FrankC: I saw on the wiki next step that the use cases will be maintained
15:48:25 [ivan]
... does it mean that we can add
15:48:34 [ivan]
ivan: YES!
15:48:47 [ivan]
FrankC: what is the procedure?
15:48:57 [Susie]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/
15:49:07 [ivan]
Susie: we have entered information on the page for submission
15:49:13 [ivan]
... there is an email alias
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member-sw-case-studies@w3.org
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-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/submit.html submission page
15:50:55 [ivan]
susie: we are all done...
15:50:55 [MartinD]
+1 to susie for coordinating this... :-)
15:50:57 [Kjetil]
Zakim, unmute me
15:50:57 [Zakim]
Kjetil should no longer be muted
15:51:01 [ivan]
... thanks everybody
15:51:05 [Zakim]
-Frank
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adjourned
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-kidehen
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-Kjetil
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-Susie
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-JacekK
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-uldis
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-martin
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-LeeF
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-benji
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-andrea
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-Ivan
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SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were LeeF, Ivan, Susie, benji, Frank, kidehen, andrea, Kjetil, JacekK, +1.603.886.aaaa, Melli, uldis, martin, +49.176.2.aabb, Leo
15:51:27 [ivan]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-sweo-minutes.html ivan
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16:02:40 [Kjetil]
and engaged the Topic Maps community in a bit of debate
16:05:05 [LeeF]
yay Kjetil! :)
16:07:01 [Kjetil]
you know it is a good thing when random people with non-sensical nicks start mentioning SPARQL in forum posts ;-)
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-Melli
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