IRC log of forms on 2008-01-30
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-forms-irc
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
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- zakim, code?
- 15:43:11 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jturner
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0066.html
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- Chair: John
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- Scribe: Leigh
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- scribenick: klotz
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- Regrets: Rafael, Sebastian
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- zakim, code?
- 15:44:49 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nic1
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- HTML_Forms()10:45AM has now started
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- + +1.978.392.aaaa
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- +wellsk
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- +[IBM]
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- +unl
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- +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
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- +??P19
- 15:45:47 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, I am +1.978
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- +John_Boyer; got it
- 15:45:55 [jturner]
- zakim, ??P19 is me
- 15:45:55 [Zakim]
- +jturner; got it
- 15:46:00 [jturner]
- hi
- 15:46:14 [unl]
- zakim, mute me
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- unl should now be muted
- 15:46:17 [wellsk]
- zakim, mute wellsk
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- wellsk should now be muted
- 15:46:23 [jturner]
- zakim, mute me
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- jturner should now be muted
- 15:46:29 [Steven]
- zakim, dial steven-617
- 15:46:29 [Zakim]
- ok, Steven; the call is being made
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- +Steven
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- 15:47:30 [CharlieW]
- zakim, who is on?
- 15:47:30 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, CharlieW.
- 15:47:36 [CharlieW]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:47:36 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John_Boyer, wellsk (muted), [IBM], unl (muted), Nick_van_den_Bleeken, jturner (muted), Steven
- 15:47:39 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Roger, CharlieW, unl, nic1, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Steven, trackbot-ng
- 15:47:44 [CharlieW]
- zakim, [IBM] is CharlieW
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- +CharlieW; got it
- 15:48:29 [markbirbeck]
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- +Leigh_Klotz
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- +??P21
- 15:50:04 [markbirbeck]
- zakim, i am ?
- 15:50:04 [Zakim]
- +markbirbeck; got it
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- 15:52:26 [Steven]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:52:26 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John_Boyer, wellsk (muted), CharlieW, unl (muted), Nick_van_den_Bleeken, jturner (muted), Steven, Leigh_Klotz, markbirbeck
- 15:52:28 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see ebruchez, klotz, markbirbeck, Roger, CharlieW, unl, nic1, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Steven, trackbot-ng
- 15:52:37 [nic1]
- zakim, mute me
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- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 15:53:09 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 15:53:14 [Roger]
- zakim, P1 is Roger
- 15:53:14 [Zakim]
- sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
- 15:53:24 [Roger]
- zakim, ??P1 is Roger
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- +Roger; got it
- 15:53:35 [Steven]
- zakim, list attendees
- 15:53:35 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been +1.978.392.aaaa, wellsk, unl, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, John_Boyer, jturner, Steven, CharlieW, Leigh_Klotz, markbirbeck, Roger
- 15:53:50 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 15:54:02 [ebruchez]
- zakim, ??P0 is ebruchez
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- +ebruchez; got it
- 15:54:13 [markbirbeck]
- zakim, fix bug
- 15:54:13 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'fix bug', markbirbeck
- 15:54:16 [ebruchez]
- hi there
- 15:55:22 [wellsk]
- zakim, unmute me
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- wellsk should no longer be muted
- 15:56:09 [wellsk]
- zakim, mute me
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- wellsk should now be muted
- 15:58:30 [nic1]
- I'll be there
- 15:59:02 [wellsk]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:59:02 [Zakim]
- wellsk should no longer be muted
- 15:59:10 [markbirbeck]
- I have an account with Yugma, too, which gives desktop sharing, freephone number, etc.
- 15:59:29 [markbirbeck]
- Also allows us to record the proceedings. :)
- 16:02:36 [wellsk]
- zakim, mute me
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- wellsk should now be muted
- 16:03:38 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Dec/0003.html
- 16:04:19 [wellsk]
- +1
- 16:04:27 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Jan/0000.html
- 16:04:33 [klotz]
- ACTION: John Boyer to fix http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Dec/0003.html
- 16:04:33 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
- 16:04:33 [trackbot-ng]
- Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
- 16:07:46 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions
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- -ebruchez
- 16:10:52 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
- 16:10:57 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/
- 16:11:00 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/html/
- 16:11:45 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 16:11:51 [ebruchez]
- zakim, ??P0 is ebruchez
- 16:11:51 [Zakim]
- +ebruchez; got it
- 16:11:53 [ebruchez]
- thanks
- 16:13:35 [klotz]
- ACTION: John Boyer to ensure that all bibliographic entries in XForms 1.0 do not use short names.
- 16:13:35 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
- 16:13:35 [trackbot-ng]
- Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
- 16:14:51 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0015.html
- 16:18:10 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Model-driven_switch_with_case_attr
- 16:21:52 [nic1]
- what do you do if the xpath results in a id that doesn't exists
- 16:25:38 [markbirbeck]
- q+
- 16:28:53 [klotz]
- Kenneth points out .[...] is illegal syntax and you have to use self::node[...]
- 16:29:27 [nic1]
- in XPath 2.0 you can use .[...] ;)
- 16:29:33 [klotz]
- thanks!
- 16:38:04 [Zakim]
- -ebruchez
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- +??P0
- 16:39:05 [ebruchez]
- zakim,??P0 is ebruchez
- 16:39:05 [Zakim]
- +ebruchez; got it
- 16:39:09 [klotz]
- John: Please correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't hear nayone say they didn't want to do this for 1.2 After discussion with Mark, it sounded like he could imagine it. It seemed like a secondary attribute on switch would be useful, to contain an XPath expression resolving to a node to have a two-way binding to switch.
- 16:45:58 [klotz]
- i see some similarity with xxf:dialog and the proposed xf:dialog as well, in terms of expanded content models
- 16:49:49 [Roger]
- an xpath boolean expression to the selected attribute of the actual case instead of the new att?
- 16:53:29 [nic1]
- you have also a problem if the value of the switch doesn't results in an id of a case in the switch
- 16:55:21 [nic1]
- yes non-empty
- 16:57:01 [nic1]
- if we have <case value=""> then we can make in sync with select and select1
- 17:01:17 [nic1]
- I think it is the same as select1, it is only a display issue of select1
- 17:05:11 [nic1]
- that is easy but the change of focus on data becomes more dificult
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- 17:06:30 [nic1]
- and when you change data you should add a change-value listener that switches the case
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- -ebruchez
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- +??P0
- 17:10:10 [ebruchez]
- zakim,??P0 is ebruchez
- 17:10:10 [Zakim]
- +ebruchez; got it
- 17:12:26 [nic1]
- value isn't an XPath, it is a constant
- 17:12:54 [nic1]
- so it can be mapped in the same way as an id
- 17:13:02 [nic1]
- they are both constants
- 17:13:23 [John_Boyer]
- value is an XPath that picks a constant
- 17:13:57 [CharlieW]
- but it still behaves like in select1
- 17:14:13 [John_Boyer]
- similar, except select1 is not a container control
- 17:14:24 [John_Boyer]
- it's an atomic control
- 17:14:32 [John_Boyer]
- switch is a container form control
- 17:14:34 [CharlieW]
- right
- 17:15:30 [John_Boyer]
- <switch ref="some/tree" case="@selected">
- 17:15:44 [John_Boyer]
- <case value="justLikeID"
- 17:16:11 [John_Boyer]
- If @selected node contains the value that equals the value attribute
- 17:16:17 [John_Boyer]
- then the case is selected
- 17:17:40 [ebruchez]
- same here
- 17:18:10 [ebruchez]
- using a separate instance is often done also to handle controls relevance
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- bye
- 17:20:48 [Zakim]
- -CharlieW
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- -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
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- -unl
- 17:20:50 [ebruchez]
- bye
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- -Steven
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- -markbirbeck
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- -Leigh_Klotz
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- -Roger
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- -wellsk
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- -jturner
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- wellsk has left #forms
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- -John_Boyer
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- -ebruchez
- 17:21:00 [klotz]
- zakim, list attendees
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- HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
- 17:21:03 [Zakim]
- Attendees were +1.978.392.aaaa, wellsk, unl, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, John_Boyer, jturner, Steven, CharlieW, Leigh_Klotz, markbirbeck, Roger, ebruchez
- 17:21:06 [Zakim]
- sorry, klotz, I don't know what conference this is
- 17:21:17 [John_Boyer]
- Leigh note that 1.978 is me
- 17:21:23 [klotz]
- thanks
- 17:21:30 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
- 17:21:35 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, bye
- 17:21:35 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-forms-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: John Boyer to fix http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Dec/0003.html [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-forms-irc#T16-04-33
- 17:21:35 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: John Boyer to ensure that all bibliographic entries in XForms 1.0 do not use short names. [2]
- 17:21:35 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-forms-irc#T16-13-35