IRC log of core on 2008-01-30
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- zakim, who's here ?
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- On the phone I see Michael_Monaghan, Richard, ??P7
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, DavidClarke, Mick, andrewc
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- + +44.797.368.aaaa
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- zakim, P7 is Andrew
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- sorry, r12a, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'
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- zakim, who's here ?
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- On the phone I see Michael_Monaghan, Richard, ??P7, +44.797.368.aaaa
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, DavidClarke, Mick
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- zakim, ??P7 is Andrew
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- +Andrew; got it
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- zakim, who's here ?
- 20:05:27 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Michael_Monaghan, Richard, Andrew
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- On IRC I see fsasaki, andrewc_, RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, DavidClarke, Mick
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- + +44.797.368.aabb
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- zakim, +44 is David
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- +David; got it
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- zakim, mute david
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- David should now be muted
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- zakim, who's here ?
- 20:08:03 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Michael_Monaghan, Richard, Andrew, David (muted)
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- On IRC I see fsasaki, andrewc_, RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, DavidClarke, Mick
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- +Felix
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- zakim, who's here ?
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- On the phone I see Michael_Monaghan, Richard, Andrew, David (muted), Felix
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- On IRC I see fsasaki, andrewc_, RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, DavidClarke, Mick
- 20:10:47 [andrewc_]
- http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/index.php?title=Converting
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- ACTION: Andrew to move his page qa-utf8-upgrade back to wiki using 'what is encoding' as a template DONE
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- zakim, dial richard-home
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +Richard
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- -Richard
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- ACTION: Richard create notes on how to use the wiki template
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- ] ACTION: Felix: send comment on "its successor" formulation to XML WG DONE
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- ACTION: Felix: send comment on "its successor" formulation to XML WG DONE
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- ACTION: Richard: to send UAX#29 comments link to list to be forwarded Friday pending no objections DONE
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- ACTION: Richard: to send UAX#29 comments link to list to be forwarded Friday pending no objections [DONE]
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- Topic: Info share
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- Felix: ITS best practices document almost ready to publish
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- ... and plans to close the WG and start an ITS-focused Interest Group
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- http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html
- 20:17:45 [DavidClarke]
- I have a little info share. IE8 is intending to be W3 standards compliant, with a sting in the tail though.
- 20:17:50 [DavidClarke]
- Zakim, unmute david
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- David should no longer be muted
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- http://www.dragonthoughts.com/blog/2008/01/29/microsoft-finally-work-for-standards-in-ie-8/
- 20:19:42 [DavidClarke]
- zakim, mute david
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- David should now be muted
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- Topic: What is encoding article
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- http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-what-is-encoding.en.php
- 20:24:05 [fsasaki]
- fine by me
- 20:24:14 [DavidClarke]
- I'm happy with it being published
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- agreed to publish
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- ACTION: Richard to publish Character encoding for Beginners article
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- Topic: BCP 47 and XML Schema
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4850#c3
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- RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-core-minutes.html aphillip
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- Meeting: Internationalization Core WG
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- Chair: Addison Philips
- 20:31:07 [DavidClarke]
- I agree
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- ACTION: Felix to contact XML Schema to ask them not to close language validation issue before we've seen the wording
- 20:32:02 [aphillip]
- RRSAgent, make the minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-core-minutes.html aphillip
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- Zakim, unmute david
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- David should no longer be muted
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- Zakim, mute david
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- David should now be muted
- 20:33:40 [aphillip]
- Topic: Canonical XML to PR
- 20:34:56 [aphillip]
- two things that might be a problem
- 20:35:08 [aphillip]
- 1. removed NFC requirement for C14N XML output
- 20:35:51 [aphillip]
- 2. reference 3986 instead of 3987 and use the term uri where we think they should mean iri
- 20:38:26 [aphillip]
- andrew: why was normalization removed:
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- addison: xml processors not really supporting for data; data model is a separate matter
- 20:39:54 [aphillip]
- addison: C14N is consistent with late normalization (current state of charmodnorm), but not consistent with our historical position
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- andrew: not a lot of data sets extant that are affected (such as Vietnamese)
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- felix: what did you propose saying?
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- addison: specifically approve of transition, calling out the issues and our positions on them
- 20:44:59 [fsasaki]
- felix: understanding the issues as "C14N 1.1. is consistent with charmod direction not to require early normalization anymore. We are pleased to see xpath model"
- 20:45:57 [aphillip]
- richard: need to troll the archives ont hat; should probably say something about it
- 20:46:06 [aphillip]
- s/ont hat/on that/
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- addison: add normative reference to 3987 and reference IRI or LEIRI
- 20:48:34 [aphillip]
- felix: needs a clarification
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- richard: at least a note?
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- ACTION: Addison: contact C14N XML about IRI issue and seek resolution
- 20:49:57 [aphillip]
- addison: what about normalization?
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- richard: should put a note in recommending
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- ACTION: Addison: check C14N XML 1.1 for health warning on normalization and comment appropriately if there is not one
- 20:52:01 [aphillip]
- felix: agenda+ styling in HTML5 and dir on public list thread: needs follow up
- 20:53:58 [aphillip]
- Topic: Agenda for next time
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- put CSS and HTML5 first next time
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- bye
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- -Felix
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-core-minutes.html aphillip
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- -Andrew
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- -David
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- Attendees were Michael_Monaghan, Richard, +44.797.368.aaaa, Andrew, +44.797.368.aabb, David, Felix, aphillip
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-core-minutes.html aphillip
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