00:11:23 adele has joined #html-wg 00:19:06 mjs has joined #html-wg 00:23:08 Navarr has joined #html-wg 00:34:55 adele_ has joined #html-wg 00:52:26 someone here was wanting to comment on Norman Walsh's blog about html5 but couldn't - he just posted an entry saying that he fixed a bug in his software preventing comments. 00:53:12 MikeSmith: You are someone ^ 00:53:27 nwalsh on html5 for reference: http://norman.walsh.name/2008/01/22/html5 00:53:33 Ahh, thanks Philip... 01:05:03 mjs has joined #html-wg 01:06:34 mjs_ has joined #html-wg 01:13:35 Philip - thanks. will need to head over there and comment (if somebody else hasn't already said what I was going to say) 01:14:08 hmm, I forget now what I was planning to say.. guess I'll have to re-read it 01:31:08 MrStrike has joined #html-wg 01:33:03 olivier has joined #html-wg 01:54:12 dbloom has joined #html-wg 01:55:24 nickshanks has joined #html-wg 01:58:01 Yudai has joined #html-wg 01:59:28 nickshanks has joined #html-wg 02:00:15 nickshanks has joined #html-wg 02:08:31 MikeSmith has joined #html-wg 02:21:04 zcorpan has joined #html-wg 02:47:51 zcorpan has left #html-wg 03:21:16 hober has joined #html-wg 03:49:35 gavin_ has joined #html-wg 03:53:38 MikeSmith has joined #html-wg 04:52:36 mjs has joined #html-wg 07:12:23 hober has joined #html-wg 07:55:25 Hixie: the new Editor's Draft still has the WD header 08:21:37 oops 08:29:57 tH_ has joined #html-wg 08:32:44 Lachy has joined #html-wg 09:16:37 Lachy has joined #html-wg 09:48:41 ROBOd has joined #html-wg 10:23:09 jane has joined #html-wg 11:04:05 zcorpan has joined #html-wg 11:05:20 myakura has joined #html-wg 11:11:56 jane has joined #html-wg 11:14:29 hober has joined #html-wg 11:19:04 hober has joined #html-wg 11:20:22 Lachy has joined #html-wg 11:23:38 hober has joined #html-wg 11:28:13 hober has joined #html-wg 11:32:48 hober has joined #html-wg 11:37:23 hober has joined #html-wg 11:41:58 hober has joined #html-wg 11:46:33 hober has joined #html-wg 11:51:08 hober has joined #html-wg 11:55:43 hober has joined #html-wg 12:00:17 hober has joined #html-wg 12:04:52 hober has joined #html-wg 12:09:27 hober has joined #html-wg 12:14:02 hober has joined #html-wg 12:18:36 hober has joined #html-wg 12:23:11 hober has joined #html-wg 12:27:46 hober has joined #html-wg 12:32:21 hober has joined #html-wg 12:36:56 hober has joined #html-wg 12:39:54 MikeSmith has joined #html-wg 12:41:31 hober has joined #html-wg 12:46:05 hober has joined #html-wg 12:50:40 hober has joined #html-wg 12:55:15 hober has joined #html-wg 12:59:50 hober has joined #html-wg 13:04:25 hober has joined #html-wg 13:08:59 hober has joined #html-wg 13:13:34 hober has joined #html-wg 13:18:09 hober has joined #html-wg 13:22:44 hober has joined #html-wg 13:27:19 hober has joined #html-wg 13:31:54 hober has joined #html-wg 13:36:29 hober has joined #html-wg 13:41:04 hober has joined #html-wg 13:45:39 hober has joined #html-wg 13:50:13 hober has joined #html-wg 13:54:48 hober has joined #html-wg 13:59:23 hober has joined #html-wg 14:03:58 hober has joined #html-wg 14:05:59 aaronlev has joined #html-wg 14:08:33 hober has joined #html-wg 14:11:19 nickshanks has joined #html-wg 14:13:08 hober has joined #html-wg 14:17:42 hober has joined #html-wg 14:22:17 hober has joined #html-wg 14:26:52 hober has joined #html-wg 14:31:27 hober has joined #html-wg 14:36:02 hober has joined #html-wg 14:37:35 zcorpan has joined #html-wg 14:37:55 DanC has joined #html-wg 14:40:37 hober has joined #html-wg 14:45:11 hober has joined #html-wg 14:48:31 matt has joined #html-wg 14:49:46 hober has joined #html-wg 14:54:21 hober has joined #html-wg 14:58:56 hober has joined #html-wg 15:03:31 hober has joined #html-wg 15:08:06 hober has joined #html-wg 15:08:09 krijnh has joined #html-wg 15:08:48 Yudai has joined #html-wg 15:12:41 hober has joined #html-wg 15:15:48 gavin_ has joined #html-wg 15:15:53 xover has joined #html-wg 15:15:58 laplink has joined #html-wg 15:16:03 jmb has joined #html-wg 15:16:05 Hixie has joined #html-wg 15:16:07 hsivonen has joined #html-wg 15:16:45 hober has joined #html-wg 15:21:20 hober has joined #html-wg 15:25:55 hober has joined #html-wg 15:30:31 hober has joined #html-wg 15:42:50 billmason has joined #html-wg 15:44:22 matt has joined #html-wg 16:03:37 zcorpan has joined #html-wg 16:03:54 zcorpan has joined #html-wg 16:06:40 aroben has joined #html-wg 16:12:28 aroben has joined #html-wg 16:26:25 aaronlev has joined #html-wg 16:37:55 Julian has joined #html-wg 16:59:06 trackbot-ng, list 16:59:10 oops 16:59:58 Zakim has joined #html-wg 17:00:03 RRSAgent, pointer? 17:00:03 See http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-html-wg-irc#T17-00-03 17:00:09 Zakim, this will be html 17:00:09 ok, DanC, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started 17:00:31 agenda + Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-01-24T17:00:00Z 17:00:38 +DanC 17:00:50 trackbot-ng, start meeting 17:00:52 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:00:54 Zakim, this will be HTML 17:00:54 ok, trackbot-ng, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started 17:00:55 Meeting: HTML Issue Tracking Teleconference 17:00:55 Date: 24 January 2008 17:01:01 Meeting: HTML WG Weekly 17:01:07 Zakim, who's on the phone? 17:01:07 On the phone I see +49.251.2.aaaa, ??P1, DanC 17:01:28 Zakim, passcode? 17:01:28 the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne 17:01:42 Zakim, +49.251.2.aaaa is me 17:01:43 +Julian; got it 17:02:06 +??P4 17:02:07 Zakim, ??P1 is Sam_Kuper 17:02:07 +Sam_Kuper; got it 17:02:15 Zakim, code? 17:02:15 the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MikeSmith 17:02:23 +??P5 17:02:27 Zakim, ??P4 is anne 17:02:27 +anne; got it 17:02:30 Zakim, ??P5 is me 17:02:30 +MikeSmith; got it 17:02:31 matt has joined #html-wg 17:03:00 Zakim, who's on the phone? 17:03:00 On the phone I see Julian, Sam_Kuper, DanC, anne, MikeSmith 17:03:40 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 17:03:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith 17:03:49 Zakim, who's on the phone? 17:03:49 On the phone I see Julian, Sam_Kuper, DanC, anne, MikeSmith 17:03:56 oedipus has joined #html-wg 17:04:08 Zakim, call Doug-work 17:04:08 ok, shepazu; the call is being made 17:04:10 +Doug 17:04:16 scribe: MikeSmith 17:04:34 scribenick: MikeSmith 17:05:15 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008JanMar/0011.html 17:05:17 present: Julian, Sam_Kuper, DanC, anne, MikeSmith, shepazu 17:05:18 GJR will call in ASAP -- is having serious computer problems, but still hopes to call in 17:05:32 chair: DanC 17:05:59 DanC : going around the table in Zakim order 17:06:00 ChrisWilson has joined #html-wg 17:06:09 agenda + scope, requirements, and modularity http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/2 17:06:14 Julian : I'm interested in talking about the modularity issue 17:06:41 agenda + follow-up on the HTML 5 release, handling comments 17:06:42 Sam: I have no preferences at the moment, first telcon I've joined, I have no preferences 17:07:05 agenda + HTML 5 authoring guide http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/5 17:07:06 DanC : I think the HTML5 spec release is worth a little partying 17:07:54 agenda + heartbeat requirement 17:08:01 +Gregory_Rosmaita 17:08:13 present+ Gregory 17:08:33 Lachy has joined #html-wg 17:08:46 shepazu : interested in modularity but I don't want to drive the meeting 17:08:50 agenda + aria-role ISSUE-14 (edit) 17:08:59 Preston has joined #html-wg 17:09:10 Zakim, next item 17:09:10 agendum 1. "Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-01-24T17:00:00Z" taken up [from DanC] 17:09:20 DanC : I need to be out of here at 12:00 central 17:09:20 Zakim, close item 1 17:09:20 agendum 1, Convene HTML WG teleconference of 2008-01-24T17:00:00Z, closed 17:09:22 Zakim, next item 17:09:22 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:09:24 2. scope, requirements, and modularity http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/2 [from DanC] 17:09:26 agendum 2. "scope, requirements, and modularity http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/2" taken up [from DanC] 17:09:37 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 17:09:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith 17:09:37 +[Microsoft] 17:09:40 zakim, Microsoft is me 17:09:40 +ChrisWilson; got it 17:09:46 present+ ChrisWilson 17:10:00 Zakim, agenda? 17:10:00 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda: 17:10:01 2. scope, requirements, and modularity http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/2 [from DanC] 17:10:04 3. follow-up on the HTML 5 release, handling comments [from DanC] 17:10:06 4. HTML 5 authoring guide http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/5 [from DanC] 17:10:07 5. heartbeat requirement [from DanC] 17:10:08 6. aria-role ISSUE-14 (edit) [from DanC] 17:10:32 i/going around the table/Topic: agenda bashing/ 17:10:36 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 17:10:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith 17:11:37 -> http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/01/modularity.html Simple things make firm foundations 17:11:38 DanC : one side note related to modularity is in W3 Q&A weblog 17:11:52 -> http://www.w3.org/blog/tag/ TAG blog 17:12:05 Preston has left #html-wg 17:12:09 DanC : from W3C Directory Tim Berners-Lee 17:12:18 s/Directory/Director/ 17:12:25 http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/01/modularity.html 17:12:40 anne : I read that as saying that it could be *implemented* in a modular way 17:12:44 Preston has joined #html-wg 17:12:51 ... not necessarily written in a modular way 17:12:51 action-13? 17:12:51 ACTION-13 -- Chris Wilson to talk to WebAPI and WAF WGs about their role in offline API stuff and how they work with and contribute to the discussion -- due 2008-02-05 -- OPEN 17:12:51 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/13 17:13:11 ChrisWilson: no progress on that yet 17:13:13 action-14? 17:13:13 ACTION-14 -- Chris Wilson to get more information on MS patent review with -- due 2008-03-01 -- OPEN 17:13:13 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/14 17:13:48 ChrisWilson : This obviously is in progress but I won't have anything to say until our legal team gets back 17:14:13 ... March 1st is probably before they will be done, but I don't want to drop it 17:14:18 action-14? 17:14:18 ACTION-14 -- Chris Wilson to get more information on MS patent review with -- due 2008-05-01 -- OPEN 17:14:18 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/14 17:14:29 action-27? 17:14:29 ACTION-27 -- Dan Connolly to draft a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with microformats.org regarding @rel values -- due 2008-01-31 -- OPEN 17:14:29 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/27 17:14:44 DanC : a little progress on this ... 17:14:55 ... I talked with Rigo Wiening 17:15:06 ... he's interested in having the registry at W3C 17:15:16 ... also David Orchard of BEA 17:15:29 ... I continue to investigate the microformats.org 17:15:42 agenda + next meeting... 31 Jan? 17:15:47 ... wondering for example what would happen if they get sued 17:15:52 action-38? 17:15:52 ACTION-38 -- Dan Connolly to chairs to review need for amending charter with Director -- due 2008-01-24 -- OPEN 17:15:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/38 17:16:23 DanC : hmm, due today... I guess we're not done with that 17:16:41 ChrisWilson : right, I don't think we've reached a conclusion on that 17:16:55 DanC : I'm gonna get progress on that in the next week, most likely 17:17:04 action-41? 17:17:04 ACTION-41 -- Dan Connolly to consider a new requirements issue about the overlap with HTTP -- due 2008-01-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW 17:17:04 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/41 17:17:18 ... time with ... Tim maybe today 17:17:23 action-28? 17:17:23 ACTION-28 -- Dan Connolly to consult with the Hypertext CG and W3C management about how much time W3C member organizations should be allowed to study the patent implications of an HTML 5 spec 1st WD -- due 2007-12-19 -- CLOSED 17:17:23 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/28 17:17:30 issue-28? 17:17:30 ISSUE-28 -- Content type rules in HTML 5 overlaps with the HTTP specification? -- OPEN 17:17:30 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/28 17:17:58 DanC : basically, I almost did an Internet Draft back in August 17:18:17 ... I've not checked what impact if any this might have on the HTML spec 17:18:23 trackbot-ng, close action-41 17:18:23 ACTION-41 Consider a new requirements issue about the overlap with HTTP closed 17:18:51 DanC : Julian, you expressed some interest in that? 17:19:00 Julian : the content-type sniffing thing? 17:19:03 DanC : yeah 17:19:09 Julian : yeah, let's talk about it now 17:19:39 Julian : issue is that HTML spec mandates content-type sniffing ... 17:19:52 ... while the HTTP spec and TAG document prohibit it 17:20:04 DanC : I would really like a test case 17:20:22 Julian : I think Ian Hickson has a big set of test cases 17:20:25 ... related to this 17:20:27 Hixie ? 17:20:40 DanC : anybody got a URL for that? 17:20:52 test cases: http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/http/content-type/ 17:21:15 DanC : would like EARL reports on these 17:21:16 matt has joined #html-wg 17:21:35 DanC : would like review by the HTTP working group 17:21:56 Julian : We have the argument that, on the one hand, the specs require to trust the content-type that is given 17:22:05 ... but the HTML spec requiring UAs not to do that 17:22:33 Julian: didn't you mean http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/http/content-type/sniffing/ ? 17:22:44 ... also the ongoing discussing about if a UA is required to report discrepancies if it does sniffing and finds them 17:22:52 trackbot-ng, status 17:22:55 (the ones in the parent folder merely check it obeys the given content-type in some cases) 17:22:59 hober has joined #html-wg 17:22:59 gsnedders: yeah 17:23:20 . ACTION: Julian to investigate expected results to http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/http/content-type/ tests in collaboration with the IETF HTTP WG 17:23:34 DanC: http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/http/content-type/sniffing/ it should be 17:23:57 ACTION: Julian to investigate expected results to http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/http/content-type/sniffing/ tests in collaboration with the IETF HTTP WG 17:23:57 Created ACTION-44 - Investigate expected results to http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/http/content-type/sniffing/ tests in collaboration with the IETF HTTP WG [on Julian Reschke - due 2008-01-31]. 17:24:14 Julian : looking at that, it seems like the tests may actually have expected results stated 17:24:36 ACTION: Dan to developer EARL/hReview reports based on http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/http/content-type/sniffing/ from a handful of user agents 17:24:36 Created ACTION-45 - Developer EARL/hReview reports based on http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/http/content-type/sniffing/ from a handful of user agents [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-01-31]. 17:24:49 DanC : so much for that 17:24:57 issue-29? 17:24:57 ISSUE-29 -- Should the HTML 5 specification introduce URI schemes such as javascript:? -- OPEN 17:24:57 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/29 17:25:14 DanC : I might have jumped the gun on this on a little bit 17:25:41 for javascript: the normal parsing rules for URIs can't apply, because it relies on all kinds of behaviour 17:25:42 ChrisWilson has joined #html-wg 17:25:45 ... anne clarified that there may be a separate draft spec related to this 17:26:02 hmmm...that explains why I wasn't getting any updates. 17:26:07 DanC : we should decide as a working group whether that's in scope 17:26:17 DanC : anybody want to take action on that? 17:26:24 anne : what kind of action? 17:26:41 q+q+ 17:26:46 q+ 17:26:49 shepazu : leaving it in the "someday" pile means it stays in the spec ... 17:26:51 +??P0 17:27:40 (roll call isn't critical for this meeting, since decisions aren't binding) 17:27:44 Zakim, ??P0 is Samuel 17:27:44 +Samuel; got it 17:27:50 http://www.websitedev.de/ietf/draft-hoehrmann-javascript-ri-00.txt 17:27:54 present+ Samuel 17:28:03 October 28, 2006 17:28:11 Sander has joined #html-wg 17:28:30 anne : there is no "01" 17:28:42 DanC : somebody should ping Bjoern about it 17:28:49 Julian : yeah, I can do that 17:29:15 ... I think the javascript URI thing never went anywhere ... 17:29:32 ... because nobody agreed it could [identify] a resource 17:29:57 ACTION: Julian ask B. Hoehrmann about any plans to update http://www.websitedev.de/ietf/draft-hoehrmann-javascript-ri-00.txt 17:29:57 Created ACTION-46 - Ask B. Hoehrmann about any plans to update http://www.websitedev.de/ietf/draft-hoehrmann-javascript-ri-00.txt [on Julian Reschke - due 2008-01-31]. 17:30:08 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hoehrmann-javascript-scheme-00 17:30:31 DanC : anybody know if javascript: is used outside of a@href ? 17:30:41 sampablokuper has joined #html-wg 17:30:56 ... used outside of HTML ? 17:30:56 I'm not sure that "javascript:" is much different in respect to defining a resource than "data:uri" 17:31:07 ChrisWilson : in Favorites 17:31:12 anne : also in SVG 17:31:39 ack Julian 17:31:48 queue= 17:31:53 Zakim, next item 17:31:53 agendum 3. "follow-up on the HTML 5 release, handling comments" taken up [from DanC] 17:31:59 DanC : user-agent community has already to my satisfaction demonstrated that it could be used [like? as?] a URI 17:32:15 DanC : anybody sees Paul Krill's article? 17:32:15 there are MANY examples in the wild of javascript: being used as a pseudo-HREF -- javascript:var popupwin=this.window.open etc. 17:32:22 q+ to comment on that article 17:32:36 http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/22/W3C-offers-HTML-5-draft_1.html 17:32:40 krill article http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/01/22/W3C-offers-HTML-5-draft_1.html 17:32:54 [[ 17:32:57 "The most interesting thing will be what happens when those capabilities get into native HTML and what impact that has on the rich Internet development market," he said. Specific plug-in technologies are not supported on every platform, he said. "[Thusly], as a developer I might be more interested in writing HTML 5," Hammond said. 17:32:58 ]] 17:33:05 -- Jeffrey Hammond 17:33:59 Silenius has joined #html-wg 17:34:01 not even idiot comments: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/01/22/175243.shtml 17:34:02 DanC : and HTML5 got on Slashdot... 17:34:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/ 17:35:16 DanC : so this publication has actually generated comments on the public-html-comments list 17:35:42 DanC : If you respond to comments there, make it clear that you are not responding on behalf of the working group 17:36:11 ... the only way to respond on behalf of the group is to quote an actual working-group decision 17:36:31 q+ to suggest we encourage members of the WG to subscribe to the comments list 17:36:35 agenda + phrase-level and semantic element discussion... separate mailing list? 17:36:43 ack MikeSmith 17:36:43 MikeSmith, you wanted to comment on that article and to suggest we encourage members of the WG to subscribe to the comments list 17:37:46 http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/MailingListQuery.pl?queryList=public-html-comments says 41 17:37:53 GJR: mikeTMsmith, although it is a top-level link on the HTML WG page, most people don't know of its existence and even though in the spec, people diving down into details and skipping the intro, which is human nature, which cannot be changed.... 17:37:54 q? 17:38:07 Zakim, close this item 17:38:07 agendum 3 closed 17:38:08 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:38:08 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 17:38:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith 17:38:09 4. HTML 5 authoring guide http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/5 [from DanC] 17:38:13 Zakim, take up item heartbeat 17:38:13 agendum 5. "heartbeat requirement" taken up [from DanC] 17:38:19 oedipus - true that 17:38:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/3 17:38:48 mikeTMsmith - it's the danger of checklists and best practices documents -- people work off of them, rather than the actual TR 17:38:52 issue-19? 17:38:52 ISSUE-19 -- HTML 5 specification 1st release as W3C WD -- CLOSED 17:38:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/19 17:38:54 DanC : product3 in tracker is W3C publications 17:39:29 MikeSmith: action-37 can be closed 17:39:39 April 22 17:40:11 DanC : what's the next draft anybody wants to see published? 17:40:36 ChrisWilson : I would like to put in a request to not re-publish the spec every 3 months 17:41:18 ... (because of need to do patent review) 17:41:31 I don't think it's worthwhile republishing the spec every 3 months, but what other documents do we have that change enough to be worthwhile publishing? 17:41:44 q+ to ask if WCAG (web content accessibility guidelines - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL and ATAG (authoring tool accessibility wg - http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU) has been approached about working with HTML WG with on authoring guidelines? that is what these groups do, and both have expressed willingness to work with the HTML WG on such documentation 17:42:02 ... we either have to do a patent review every time we publish the spec, or we have to agree before publishing [about all changes that go into the spec between publications] 17:42:02 ack oedipus 17:42:02 oedipus, you wanted to ask if WCAG (web content accessibility guidelines - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL and ATAG (authoring tool accessibility wg - http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU) has been 17:42:05 ... approached about working with HTML WG with on authoring guidelines? that is what these groups do, and both have expressed willingness to work with the HTML WG on such 17:42:07 ... documentation 17:42:35 Zakim, close this agendum 17:42:35 agendum 5 closed 17:42:36 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:42:37 4. HTML 5 authoring guide http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/5 [from DanC] 17:42:39 Zakim, next item 17:42:39 agendum 4. "HTML 5 authoring guide http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/5" taken up [from DanC] 17:42:46 has WCAG (web content accessibility guidelines - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL and ATAG (authoring tool accessibility wg - http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU) has been approached about working with HTML WG with on authoring guidelines? that is what these groups do, and both have expressed willingness to work with the HTML WG on such documentation 17:42:51 GR: has the WAI authoring-tool group or [other WAI group] been approached about collaborating? 17:43:07 DanC : not been approached to my knowledge 17:43:50 GR: I have talked to them, but I think they want somebody other than me [from the HTML WG] to approach them 17:44:06 DanC : they are hereby welcomed 17:44:06 trackbot-ng, status 17:44:25 ACTION: Gregory: invite ATAG and WCAG WGs to help with HTML 5 authoring guidelines 17:44:25 Sorry, couldn't find user - Gregory: 17:44:27 DanC, use wai-liaison@w3.org and what other public list 17:44:40 ACTION: Gregory invite ATAG and WCAG WGs to help with HTML 5 authoring guidelines 17:44:40 Created ACTION-47 - Invite ATAG and WCAG WGs to help with HTML 5 authoring guidelines [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2008-01-31]. 17:45:00 action-37? 17:45:00 ACTION-37 -- Michael(tm) Smith to announce Planet HTML5 on public-html-announce, http://www.w3.org/html/, wherever else appropriate -- due 2008-01-24 -- OPEN 17:45:00 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/37 17:45:13 action-29 17:45:17 action-29? 17:45:17 ACTION-29 -- Dan Connolly to follow up on the idea of a free-software-compatible license for a note on HTML authoring -- due 2008-01-31 -- OPEN 17:45:17 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/29 17:45:21 trackbot-ng, close action-37 17:45:21 ACTION-37 Announce Planet HTML5 on public-html-announce, http://www.w3.org/html/, wherever else appropriate closed 17:45:46 DanC : I did follow up on action-29 ... 17:45:53 ... it has gone up the tree ... 17:46:05 ... I don't know if it has gone up to the Pope yet ... 17:46:38 dbaron has joined #html-wg 17:46:44 ... I did not push it [all the way] up the hill yet 17:46:44 GJR: if DanC wants to play sissyphus than he will plus one 17:47:07 Sam: I encourage you to pursue it, Dan 17:47:41 GJR: am checking what ATAG documents do... 17:48:04 DanC : use case: sometimes it's useful for certain kinds of applications to emit messages that quote parts of W3C specs ... 17:48:42 ... [but applications are currently not free to do that because of W3C license restrictions] 17:49:03 anne : [there is some precedent for dual licensing] 17:49:17 action-32? 17:49:17 ACTION-32 -- Michael(tm) Smith to change the product name of "HTML 5 authoring guidelines" in the tracker to something else, eventually -- due 2008-01-24 -- OPEN 17:49:17 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/32 17:49:24 shepazu : some in AC may be concerned about it setting a precedent 17:49:34 trackbot-ng, close action-32 17:49:34 ACTION-32 Change the product name of "HTML 5 authoring guidelines" in the tracker to something else, eventually closed 17:49:40 action-33? 17:49:40 ACTION-33 -- Chris Wilson to investigate an HTML WG blog, a la the way the I18N WG does it -- due 2008-02-05 -- OPEN 17:49:40 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/33 17:49:45 aaronlev has joined #html-wg 17:50:10 that's just my opinion, not a team stance 17:50:11 e/win 26 17:51:51 anne : value of an HTML WG blog might be a place for people to blog about HTML5 instead of just on their blog 17:52:00 ... I think Planet HTML5 is good enough 17:52:27 ChrisWilson : Planet HTML5 is just aggregating blogs from elsewhere ... 17:53:02 q+ to mention mechanism that Planet HTML5 17:53:27 DanC : so far only the chairs are authorized to speak on behalf of the WG 17:53:53 q? 17:54:07 close action-33 17:54:07 ACTION-33 Investigate an HTML WG blog, a la the way the I18N WG does it closed 17:54:15 q? 17:54:18 action-34? 17:54:18 ACTION-34 -- Lachlan Hunt to prepare "Web Developer's Guide to HTML5" for publication in some way, as discussed on 2007-11-28 phone conference -- due 2008-01-31 -- OPEN 17:54:18 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/34 17:54:30 Lachy ? 17:54:33 you around? 17:54:36 Zakim, next item 17:54:36 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, DanC 17:54:42 ack next 17:54:43 MikeSmith, you wanted to mention mechanism that Planet HTML5 17:55:21 (I think the mechanism Mike is mentioning is documented in recent mail to public-html ) 17:55:34 (a pointer would be nice...) 17:55:58 Zakim, next item 17:55:58 agendum 6. "aria-role ISSUE-14 (edit)" taken up [from DanC] 17:56:01 GJR's ARIA status report: 17:56:01 ARIA Suite will now contain: 1) ARIA Roadmap; 2) Roles, States, and Properties for Accessible Rich Internet Applications (combination of 2 previously seperate documents); 3) ARIA Best Practices; and 4) ARIA Primer (new) 17:56:01 two approaches to embedding ARIA: 17:56:01 1) no namespaces, no prefixes -- host languages reserve all attribute names matching the pattern aria-*. This allows the ARIA states and properties to be controlled by the PFWG specification, including future maintenance. 17:56:02 2) by Namespaces in XML -- Role Attribute Module () will give @role a 'home' namespace from which it can be cited using the Namespaces in XML Recommendation technique, so that ARIA can be used in DIAL and other dialects of XHTML, which are likely to be used primarily to feed middleware, as there is no immediate prospect of this technology being picked up widely by browsers any time soon 17:56:07 testing - collaborative matrix (ARIA Test Tests) being maintained at: http://html4all.org/wiki/index.php/ARIATestTests 17:56:10 problem: links to Best Practices document (no public draft yet) and the 2 drafts that are now one, but are not yet public 17:57:37 (I strongly encourage you to migrate from html4all.org to the esw.w3.org wiki) 17:57:55 oedipus : only reason it's at html4all is that esw wiki doesn't allow hyperlinks in
17:58:17 ACTION-23? 17:58:17 ACTION-23 -- Gregory Rosmaita to coordinate tests using ARIA -- due 2008-01-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW 17:58:17 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23 17:58:19 oedipus : I have to keep it open until new drafts come out ... 17:58:23 Zakim, next item 17:58:23 agendum 7. "next meeting... 31 Jan?" taken up [from DanC] 17:58:24 ... because there have been changes 17:58:58 ChrisWilson : can't chair on 31st because I'll be at Web Directions North 17:59:02 DanC : I can't either 17:59:19 DanC : propose to cancel 31 January and I can chair on 7 Feb 17:59:24 so resolved 17:59:27 Zakim, next item 17:59:27 agendum 8. "phrase-level and semantic element discussion... separate mailing list?" taken up [from DanC] 17:59:33 agenda? 17:59:44 2nded 17:59:56 -Gregory_Rosmaita 17:59:57 -anne 17:59:58 [adjourned] 18:00:01 -Sam_Kuper 18:00:02 -ChrisWilson 18:00:02 -Julian 18:00:15 hey 18:00:20 -Doug 18:00:22 -DanC 18:00:25 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 18:00:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith 18:00:50 Regrets+ Marcin_Hanclik 18:00:59 Lachy - wanted to ask for status update on your authoring-guide draft 18:01:01 adele has joined #html-wg 18:01:10 but it can wait til later 18:01:28 I made some updates. I intend to make some more and get a decent draft by the end of the month 18:01:32 if I can find the time 18:02:26 Lachy - Ok, if you have time, might be good to post a short status report to public-html to let people know it's been update 18:02:30 updated 18:02:44 -Samuel 18:02:47 yeah, will do when I make some more substantial updates 18:02:58 I want to take all the previous feedback into account first 18:03:10 some possibility of that being a candidate for publishing to meet our April 22 heartbeat deadline 18:03:18 Lachy - understood 18:03:29 in particular, work out a good way of presenting and describing each element 18:03:41 I should be able to get an FPWD ready by April 18:03:45 to publish by April 22, we would want to have it wrapped up at least 3 weeks before then 18:04:27 yep. I assume we would need another group survey, plus plenty of arguining about why it shouldn't be published before then 18:04:28 :-) 18:05:17 Lachy - yeah ;) 18:05:23 agreement from group by March 31 to publish it, I think 18:05:34 ok 18:05:51 probably at least two weeks of wrangling before that 18:06:23 so freezed by March 17 or so perhaps 18:06:24 ok, so I need to put in a lot of work during feb 18:06:55 I don't like freezing WDs 18:07:08 yeah, I think you would, if we want to be able to have it ready for review and discussion in mid-March 18:07:47 I want to get someone to help come up with a nicer stylesheet for it 18:07:55 mine looks crap :-) 18:08:01 Lachy - yeah, well, groups generally don't like to agree to publish documents that are going to unilaterally change after the version they've agreed to publish 18:08:19 sampablokuper has left #html-wg 18:08:53 well, I can just fork it at some point, make editorial changes only to the one that will be published and more substantial changes to the other 18:09:02 then merge afterwards 18:09:07 Lachy - yeah, exactly 18:09:39 anyway, this gives you some tangible deadline to work toward 18:09:49 that usually helps to keep motivated 18:09:50 ok 18:10:59 and to helps editors to convince slave-devil managers/employers to allow them time to do the writing 18:11:43 RRSAgent, pointer? 18:11:43 See http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-html-wg-irc#T18-11-43 18:12:20 present+ Samuel 18:12:56 zcorpan has joined #html-wg 18:35:00 disconnecting the lone participant, MikeSmith, in HTML_WG()12:00PM 18:35:02 HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended 18:35:04 Attendees were DanC, Julian, Sam_Kuper, anne, MikeSmith, Doug, Gregory_Rosmaita, ChrisWilson, Samuel 18:35:41 adele has joined #html-wg 19:37:39 dbaron has joined #html-wg 19:57:50 osiris has joined #html-wg 19:58:11 olli has joined #html-wg 19:58:13 olli has left #html-wg 20:03:24 aaronlev has joined #html-wg 20:23:56 zcorpan has joined #html-wg 20:34:27 Zeros has joined #html-wg 20:49:31 mjs has joined #html-wg 22:10:02 sbuluf has joined #html-wg 22:11:31 dbloom has joined #html-wg 22:22:19 osiris has left #html-wg 22:34:04 Lachy_ has joined #html-wg 23:06:36 Lachy has joined #html-wg 23:20:14 mjs_ has joined #html-wg 23:46:47 DanC, HTML5 in fact depends on the javascript: URI scheme registration 23:47:16 DanC, HTML5 simply defines how it interacts with navigation, history, and browsing contexts as far as I can tell 23:48:29 ok, then maybe the issue is no big deal 23:48:52 we just need to make sure it gets registered 23:49:01 The same goes for the magic about:blank