IRC log of wai-wcag on 2008-01-17
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc
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- RRSAgent, make log world
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- zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- ok, Ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 58 minutes ago
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008JanMar/0025.html
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- Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- + +1.240.855.aaaa
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 10 Jan 2008 (#7+) <http://tinyurl.com/2g4yrh>
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- - +1.240.855.aaaa
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- + +1.240.855.aaaa
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- +Cooper
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- CSS Techniques for SC 1.4.5 and SC 1.4.9 <http://tinyurl.com/22dq6z>
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/>
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- +??P4
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- zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Scano
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- +Roberto_Scano; got it
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +??P9
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- zakim, ??P9 is Ben_Caldwell
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- +Ben_Caldwell; got it
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- +??P13
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- zakim, ??P13 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- zakim, Ben has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- 'Ben' is ambiguous, Ben
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- zakim, Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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- +Tim_Boland
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- mute tim
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- + +0321632aabb
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- zakim, +032 is Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
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- scribe: Andi
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/misc20080110/results
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- topic: Sufficient technique for 3.1.3, 3.1.4: Using a dictionary cascade
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- I'm just logging on to IRC to give my regrets
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- unexpected conflict.
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- regrets: Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Cynthia_Shelly
- 21:13:27 [Andi]
- resolution: rename the technique and move to advisory
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- topic: Sufficient technique for 3.1.5: Making the text easier to read
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- resolution: accept technique for 3.1.4 "Making the text easier to read" as revised
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- topic: Sufficient technique for 3.1.5: Providing sign language versions of information, ideas ...
- 21:19:01 [Andi]
- Keep the technique for 3.1.5 "Providing sign language versions of information, ideas" open - needs more work
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- action: David to look for more sign language resources
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- topic: Sufficient technique for Conformance Requirement 1 (Alternate Versions): Using HTTP referer ...
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- +??P2
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- zakim, ??P2 is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 21:23:25 [Andi]
- resolution: accept proposal as amended with Ben and Michael to work out additional description to address Michael's comment
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- topic: Modifications to H42: Using h1-h6 to identify headings
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- ack k
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- q+
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- +Alex_Li
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- ack g
- 21:29:23 [Sofia]
- q+
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- q-
- 21:30:50 [David_MacDonald]
- q+
- 21:30:51 [rscano]
- yep :)
- 21:31:12 [Andi]
- q+
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- ack d
- 21:32:11 [MichaelC]
- q+ to say HTML and XHTML are diverging
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- ack a
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- ack m
- 21:33:22 [Zakim]
- MichaelC, you wanted to say HTML and XHTML are diverging
- 21:34:10 [rscano]
- http://ramikayyali.com/archives/2006/02/13/h1 (more h1 ...)
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- ok
- 21:39:08 [Andi]
- resolution: accept "Modifications to H42: Using h1-h6 to identify headings" as modified
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- ok
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- topic: New version of F82: Failure of SC 3.3.2 by visually formatting a set of phone number fields ...
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- q+
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- ack m
- 21:44:36 [GreggVan]
- q+
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- q+
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- ack g
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- ack l
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- ack b
- 21:55:15 [Andi]
- resolution: accept "F82: Failure of SC 3.3.2 by visually formatting a set of phone number fields" as modified
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- topic: Sufficient technique for 1.3.1: Using OPTGROUP to group OPTION elements inside a SELECT
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- action: David to add User Agent notes to the technique "Using OPTGROUP to group OPTION elements inside a SELECT"
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- ack k
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- topic: Sufficient technique for 1.3.1: Grouping form controls with FIELDSET and LEGEND
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- resolution: accept "Sufficient technique for 1.3.1: Grouping form controls with FIELDSET and LEGEND" with modification to example 2 by Sofia
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- zakim, unmute me
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
- 22:06:09 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Ben
- 22:06:11 [GreggVan]
- Q+
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- zakim, close agendum 1
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- agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Miscellaneous Proposals for 10 Jan 2008 (#7+) <http://tinyurl.com/2g4yrh> [from Ben]
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- ack g
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- zakim, close agendum 2
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- agendum 2, Miscellaneous Proposals for 10 Jan 2008 (#7+) <http://tinyurl.com/2g4yrh>, closed
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- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 3. Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/> [from Ben]
- 22:06:34 [Andi]
- action: Sofia to modify example 2 in technique "Grouping form controls with FIELDSET and LEGEND"
- 22:06:41 [Ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/>" taken up [from Ben]
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- agenda?
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- q+
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- agenda+ CSS Techniques for SC 1.4.5 and SC 1.4.9
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- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4. "CSS Techniques for SC 1.4.5 and SC 1.4.9" taken up [from Ben]
- 22:08:58 [Sofia]
- q+
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- ack l
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- ack s
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- -Tim_Boland
- 22:12:26 [Andi]
- topic: SC 1.4.5, 1.4.9 Sufficient Technique: "Using CSS to control visual presentation of text"
- 22:13:12 [Andi]
- resolution: instead of all of the dvisory techniques proposed on this survey, have one CSS technique on using CSS to control visual presentation with these proposed techniques as examples
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- action: Sofia to develop the technique on "using CSS to control visual presentation of text"
- 22:13:39 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 4 closed
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- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 3. Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/> [from Ben]
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/>" taken up [from Ben]
- 22:14:58 [Andi]
- topic: Comparison of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoints to WCAG 2.0
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- q+
- 22:16:29 [David_MacDonald]
- zakim, mute me
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
- 22:17:11 [Loretta]
- ack g
- 22:20:44 [Andi]
- resolution: accept comparison of WCAG 1.0 checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 as modified
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- zakim, unmute me
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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- -Roberto_Scano
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- topic: Issue 2274: use accessibility-supported technologies
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- -Alex_Li
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- +Alex_Li
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- -Roberto_Ellero
- 22:33:34 [Andi]
- resolution: accept issue 2274 as revised
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- topic: Issue 2289: distinction between blinking and flashing still isn't clear
- 22:34:45 [Andi]
- resolution: accept 2289 as proposed
- 22:34:59 [Andi]
- topic: Issue 2293: Please clarify 3.1.4
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- -Alex_Li
- 22:36:50 [Andi]
- resolution: accept 2293 as proposed
- 22:36:51 [Sofia]
- q+
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- q-
- 22:38:33 [Loretta]
- ack k
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- q+
- 22:41:01 [Andi]
- topic: Issue 2373: doing a little more for people with cognitive limitations
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- action: Bruce to draft a failure for alt text that is not equivalent
- 22:41:43 [Andi]
- keep 2373 open
- 22:44:34 [Andi]
- resolution: accept 2379, 2380, 2381, 2382, 2383 as proposed and 2384 as amended by unanimous consent
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- -Cooper
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Ben_Caldwell
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 22:47:12 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.240.855.aaaa, Cooper, Roberto_Scano, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Tim_Boland,
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- ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow_Weaver, +0321632aabb, Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 23:04:49 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html Loretta
- 23:05:14 [Ben]
- zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: David to look for more sign language resources [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T21-19-10
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- ACTION: David to add User Agent notes to the technique "Using OPTGROUP to group OPTION elements inside a SELECT" [2]
- 23:05:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-00-43
- 23:05:31 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sofia to modify example 2 in technique "Grouping form controls with FIELDSET and LEGEND" [3]
- 23:05:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-06-34
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- ACTION: Sofia to develop the technique on "using CSS to control visual presentation of text" [4]
- 23:05:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-13-33
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- ACTION: Bruce to draft a failure for alt text that is not equivalent [5]
- 23:05:31 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-41-34