IRC log of rdfa on 2008-01-17

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-irc
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zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)
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ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2008-01-17, 15:00 UTC
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0162.html
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-> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-01-10
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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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+??P6
16:01:28 [msporny]
zakim, I am ??P6
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+msporny; got it
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:)
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+ +43.316.aaaa
16:03:54 [Steven]
zakim, dial steven-617
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ok, Steven; the call is being made
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+Steven
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ScribeNick: mhausenblas
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see msporny, +43.316.aaaa, Steven
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, markbirbeck, mhausenblas, msporny, Steven-eee, Steven
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Zakim, .aaa is me
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sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named '.aaa'
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Zakim, aaaa is me
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+mhausenblas; got it
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04[17:05] *** Zakim is on: &wai #rdfa #xproc #voice #xbrl #bpwg &mnsb &inc #math #ssml &pointy #pf &mit &rrs
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01
16:05:37 [Steven]
Zakim is busy
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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1) Action Items
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http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
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2) Chaining completion by @href and @src: what is everyone's take on this?
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3) non-prefixed RELs: putting aside the issue of *which spec doc* the
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reserved words are defined in, for now, it's probably worth voting on
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Manu's proposal, if there is enough of a quorum:
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0152.html
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I vote yes.
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4) Test Cases: any updates we need to cover?
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Agenda+Action items
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Agenda+Chaining completion
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+??P19
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Agenda+Non-prefixed rels
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Agenda+Test cases
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Zakim, ??P19 is me
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+Simone; got it
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zakim, agenda?
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Action items [from Steven]
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2. Chaining completion [from Steven]
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3. Non-prefixed rels [from Steven]
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4. Test cases [from Steven]
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Action items" taken up [from Steven]
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http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
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-> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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+markbirbeck
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-- continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
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-- continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
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-- continues
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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-- continues
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propose to have a look at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/
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[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
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-- continues
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Agenda+Implementation report
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Zakim, mute me
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Simone should now be muted
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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-- continues
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Chair: Steven
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regrets+ Ben
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Agenda+Parsing rules
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:11:57 [Steven]
zakim, take up agendum 6
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agendum 6. "Parsing rules" taken up [from Steven]
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Manu: Regarding Syntax document
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... establishing subject
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Mark explains current processing with hanging
16:14:43 [Steven]
zakim, who is noisy?
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Steven, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: msporny (39%), mhausenblas (35%), markbirbeck (74%)
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zakim, mute me
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mhausenblas should now be muted
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:-)
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Manu: For example @resource vs, @about (feedback from one of the developers)
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Mark: One starts learning a new language should start with basic stuff as 'I want triple'
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... we have basicall agreed on chaining, so if we are about to remove features
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s/basicall/basically
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... we would end up with a bunch of exceptions
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+Ralph
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[apologies for tardiness]
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
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Mark: When preserving legacy values, one has to take care of the whole picture
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Ralph: Also author awareness is an issue
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... this is a new language, but people familiar with previous languages should not get into too much trouble
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Steven reminds on the opic
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s/opic/topic
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Manu: Sent out three questions to the list
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... so there are two more
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... <img />
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Manu: @src setting the subject
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... and cases where it doen't
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s/doen't/doesn't
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Mark: In my model, every attrib can be subject/object
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... so far no distinction between @about, etc.
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
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Manu: One has to understand the processing model to 'get it' what happens
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Mark: @src issue does not fundamentally touch my model
16:35:07 [Steven]
zakim, agenda?
16:35:07 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Action items [from Steven]
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2. Chaining completion [from Steven]
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3. Non-prefixed rels [from Steven]
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4. Test cases [from Steven]
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5. Implementation report [from Steven]
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6. Parsing rules [from Steven]
16:35:23 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "Implementation report" taken up [from Steven]
16:35:37 [mhausenblas]
zakim, unmute me please
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mhausenblas should no longer be muted
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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/ IR
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cf http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/impl-report-ql SPARQL implementation report
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q+
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Michael: my idea was to run the test cases and report which tests pass and which fail
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... is it necessary to have a call where all those listed in the table can participate?
16:39:46 [Steven]
ack R
16:41:53 [msporny]
http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0152.html
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Zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Test cases" taken up [from Steven]
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http://sparql.org/sparql?query=prefix+xsd%3A++%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2FXMLSchema%23%3E%0D%0Aprefix+rdf%3A++%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F1999%2F02%2F22-rdf-syntax-ns%23%3E%0D%0Aprefix+rdfs%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2F01%2Frdf-schema%23%3E+%0D%0Aprefix+t%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F03%2Ftest-description%23%3E%0D%0Aprefix+dc%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fpurl.org%2Fdc%2Felements%2F1.1%2F%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ASELECT+*%0D%0AFROM+%3Chttp%3A%
16:47:42 [mhausenblas]
Michael: hon hold TC http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTC#head-0b21a2e0fed4fecba83df959548e4a4f7b2bb45c-7
16:51:23 [Ralph]
Michael: 2 and 3 have meta in the body, which is not allowed in this version of RDFa, so we'll drop those
16:51:30 [mhausenblas]
+1
16:52:20 [Ralph]
Manu: test 4 -- we've also decided to disallow xml:base, so test 4 should be dropped
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RESOLVED: drop tests 2 and 3
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Mark: I'd thought we'd made xml:base optional
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.. but I'm sure the answer is in the spec
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-> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-irc#T16-07-07
16:53:50 [markbirbeck]
"If a language includes @xml:base [XMLBASE], an RDFa parser for that host language must process it, and use its value to set [base]."
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0014.html Re: Test Case #73: @about with relative URL using XHTML @xml:base
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Michael: so we could change test 4 to show that no triples are generated
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x/no triples are generated/the generated triples ignore xml:base/
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s/no triples are generated/the generated triples ignore xml:base/
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Manu: the href needs to change to illustrate this?
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Michael: I'll fix test 4 to show what should be generated, with xml:base ignored
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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0016
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-- test 16: Blank node, explicit
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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0016
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Ralph: what was test 16 supposed to test?
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Michael: see comment from Elias -- apparently tests @about referring to a bnode
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... propose to drop 16
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Manu: test 64 tests bnode ref in a more atomic way
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RESOLVED: test 16 dropped
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
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-markbirbeck
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-Steven
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-msporny
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-mhausenblas
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-Ralph
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-Simone
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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were msporny, +43.316.aaaa, Steven, mhausenblas, Simone, markbirbeck, Ralph
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
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i/manu: test 4/scribenick: ralph
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
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i/Manu: test 4/scribenick: ralph
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
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i/Michael: 2 and 3/scribenick: ralph
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
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rrsagent, bye
17:08:05 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items