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14:47:22 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
14:47:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
14:47:23 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:47:23 <trackbot-ng> Date: 17 January 2008
14:56:50 <Zakim> j1, you asked to be pinged at this time
14:57:06 <francois> Regrets: Kai, Adam, RobFinean, PhilA, Kemp, AlanTai, Roland
14:57:14 <dom> zakim, ping jo now
14:57:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ping jo now', dom
14:57:37 <jo> zakim, code?
14:57:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:58:02 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started
14:58:11 <Zakim> + +46.3.17.47.aaaa
14:58:12 <Zakim> +francois
14:58:15 <Zakim> -francois
14:58:29 <Magnus> Magnus has joined #bpwg
14:58:44 <Zakim> +francois
14:59:42 <Zakim> + +20899aabb
15:00:11 <jo>  zakim, aabb is me
15:00:11 <Zakim> +jo; got it
15:00:25 <francois> zakim, aaaa is Magnus
15:00:25 <Zakim> +Magnus; got it
15:00:27 <jo> zakim, aaaa is Magnus
15:00:28 <Zakim> sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:00:36 <Zakim> +Dom
15:00:58 <dom> ack me
15:01:32 <Zakim> +??P11
15:01:55 <Zakim> + +1.503.539.aacc
15:02:18 <dom> Zakim, aacc is Jason
15:02:18 <Zakim> +Jason; got it
15:02:23 <dom> zakim, ??P11 is Martin
15:02:23 <Zakim> +Martin; got it
15:02:33 <jo> zakim, aacc is Jason
15:02:33 <Zakim> sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
15:02:36 <Jason> Jason has joined #bpwg
15:03:32 <Zakim> +Alan_Chuter
15:03:40 <Martin1> Martin1 has joined #bpwg
15:04:03 <SeanP> SeanP has joined #bpwg
15:04:10 <Martin1> Zakim, Martin is MartinJ
15:04:10 <Zakim> +MartinJ; got it
15:04:34 <Zakim> +Ed_Mitukiewicz
15:04:40 <edm> edm has joined #BPWG
15:04:58 <achuter> achuter has joined #bpwg
15:05:09 <abel> abel has joined #bpwg
15:05:17 <Zakim> +Bryan_Sullivan
15:05:21 <dom> Regrets+ Charles
15:05:24 <achuter> zakim, mute me
15:05:24 <Zakim> sorry, achuter, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:05:27 <francois> Regrets+ chaals
15:05:35 <dom> zakim, Alan_Chuter is achuter
15:05:35 <Zakim> +achuter; got it
15:05:50 <dom> Regrets+ Shahriar
15:05:51 <Zakim> + +1.630.414.aadd
15:05:54 <achuter> zakim, mute me
15:05:54 <Zakim> achuter should now be muted
15:06:08 <SeanP> zakim, aadd is me
15:06:08 <Zakim> +SeanP; got it
15:07:12 <Zakim> +Sean_Owen
15:07:19 <dom> zakim, pick a victim
15:07:19 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SeanP
15:07:33 <dom> ScribeNick: Martin1
15:07:37 <dom> Scribe: MartinHarris
15:07:54 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jan/0025.html
15:07:54 <Martin1> Scribenick: MartinJ
15:07:59 <dom> ScribeNick: Martin1
15:08:08 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
15:08:18 <dom> s/Harris/Jones/
15:08:30 <abel> zakim, [CTIC] is me
15:08:30 <Zakim> +abel; got it
15:08:41 <Martin1> Jo:  Agenda as published
15:08:47 <dom> Topic: Reports from Task Forces
15:08:57 <abel> zakim, nacho is with me
15:08:57 <Zakim> +nacho; got it
15:09:04 <abel> zakim, miguel is with me
15:09:04 <Zakim> +miguel; got it
15:09:12 <Martin1> Jo: was not able hava call last week
15:09:25 <dom> s/hava/to have/
15:09:30 <Martin1> ... so no further progress in last week
15:09:52 <Martin1> ... will be sending out noted about Bryan's proposed text 
15:10:03 <Martin1> ... if no objections this will be the draft
15:10:14 <nacho> nacho has joined #bpwg
15:10:26 <Martin1> ... Francois has volunteered to lead the CT Task Force.  Thanks very much.
15:11:01 <Martin1> Francois:  CT guidleline needs to move forward and I will try to make progress
15:11:18 <Martin1> Jo: Thanks very much for "volunteering"
15:11:43 <Martin1> Topic: Report from Checker Task Force
15:11:50 <nacho> nacho has joined #bpwg
15:11:51 <abel_> abel_ has joined #bpwg
15:12:01 <Martin1> Sean: Trying to get to a point where we can cut a new release of the checker, as a Beta
15:12:12 <Martin1> ... still some issues to fix
15:12:47 <Martin1> ... issues are bing fixed.  Will discuss on list whether it is ready for a beta release
15:13:04 <Martin1> ... may take another week or so
15:13:38 <Martin1> ... would keep the beta in public for about 2 months then release as 1.0
15:13:40 <abel_> zakim, abel_ is really abel
15:13:40 <Zakim> sorry, abel_, I do not recognize a party named 'abel_'
15:14:06 <Martin1> Jo: Thanks for all the hard work
15:14:51 <dom> +1 to jo's position 
15:14:53 <Martin1> Jo; would prefer to delay a little more and ensure that the beta is at least complete
15:14:56 <dom> q+
15:15:00 <dom> s/Jo;/Jo:/
15:15:05 <dom> ack me
15:15:39 <Martin1> dom: agree with fixing all discrepancies from MobileOK before beta
15:15:49 <Bryan> Bryan has joined #bpwg
15:16:30 <Martin1> Jo: There is a question as to whether the existing check should be replaced anyway since the checker is already better
15:16:58 <Martin1> dom: There is a resource issue with doing this
15:17:15 <jo> q+
15:17:21 <jo> ac2 0e
15:17:25 <francois> ack jo
15:17:56 <Martin1> Topic: MobileOK Pro
15:17:56 <jo> s/ac2 0e//
15:18:11 <Martin1> Jo: Regrets from Phil
15:18:41 <Martin1> ... next call will be one week from today at 1pm
15:19:11 <Martin1> ... UTC
15:19:34 <Martin1> Topic: Accessibility Document
15:20:04 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20080117, Relationship Between Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 and Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
15:20:09 <Martin1> achuter: Has been a lot work to get public working draft..
15:20:19 <dom> s/17,/17/
15:20:32 <Martin1> ... Francois has helped a lot..  It is now ready to go.  People should have looked at it by now.
15:20:36 <dom> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Request Current Draft transition to First Public Working Draft
15:20:46 <francois> q+
15:21:23 <jo> ack f
15:21:36 <Martin1> Jo: We should all be very excited by this.  We are putting into the public domain in a somewhat incomplete state to get early comment
15:22:32 <Martin1> Francos:  Wording in TOC is slightly different from other document (see WCAG link)
15:22:38 <dom> Congrats to Alan!
15:22:49 <Martin1> Jo: any further comment?
15:22:51 <dom> RESOLUTION: Request Current Draft transition to First Public Working Draft
15:23:16 <dom> q+ for pub date, shortname
15:23:20 <dom> q+ to talk about for pub date, shortname
15:23:21 <dom> ack me
15:23:22 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to talk about for pub date, shortname
15:23:37 <Martin1> Jo: Thanks to the EOWG for their cooperation and collaboration.  We will request the transition
15:24:49 <dom> RESOLUTION: doc to be published as mwbp-wcag on Jan 22
15:24:53 <Martin1> Dom: [discussion of short name and date]
15:25:26 <Martin1> Jo: We should think about working with EOWG to promote this document
15:25:42 <dom> "Please send feedback to both wai-eo-editors@w3.org (archive) and public-bpwg@w3.org (archive)."
15:25:48 <Martin1> Alan: We don't have a forum for the discussion at the moment
15:26:13 <dom> ack me
15:26:18 <Martin1> Jo: Looking for a recommendation of what we should do for this
15:26:35 <Martin1> Dom: Suggest bpwg-comments 
15:27:05 <Martin1> Jo: we would prefer all comments to be on one list so they should not go onto two lists 
15:27:09 <dom> (I meant "public-bpwg-comments@w3.org")
15:27:22 <dom> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/
15:27:41 <dom> ACTION: ALan to update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments
15:27:41 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ALan
15:27:41 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. achuter, atai)
15:27:48 <dom> ACTION: achuter to update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments
15:27:48 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-619 - Update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments [on Alan Chuter - due 2008-01-24].
15:28:19 <Martin1> Jo: we thank the EOWG in advance for their work on this
15:28:32 <jo> s/EOWG/Team
15:28:35 <dom> s/the EOWG/our beloved staff contacts/
15:28:45 <Martin1> Topic: BP2
15:29:07 <Martin1> Bryan: current status:  Sent out email requesting input
15:29:31 <dom> ACTION-592?
15:29:31 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-592 -- Edward Mitukiewicz to report whether he can be editor of the document who shall not be named -- due 2008-01-03 -- OPEN
15:29:31 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/592
15:29:34 <Martin1> ... this is the only progress in the last week. 
15:29:50 <dom> close ACTION-592
15:29:50 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-592 report whether he can be editor of the document who shall not be named closed
15:30:16 <Martin1> Jo: Ed regrets that he cannot assume editorship
15:30:49 <Martin1> s/editorship/co-editorship/
15:31:27 <Martin1> Jo: Open question is  can anyone else assume that role?
15:31:47 <Martin1> ... there are many benefits.
15:32:18 <Martin1> ... [discussion of XML/HTML editors for preparing spec documents]
15:32:53 <dom> (as a reminder, http://www.w3.org/2003/Editors/ has many information for editors, and any addition to that page is also welcome)
15:33:18 <dom> ack me
15:33:35 <Martin1> ACTION: Jo to raise issue of co-editorship vacancy
15:33:35 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-620 - Raise issue of co-editorship vacancy [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-01-24].
15:34:20 <Martin1> Bryan: received email from Phillip Hoschka re Mobile AJAX
15:34:35 <dom> ack me
15:34:41 <Martin1> Jo: take it up with Dan Appelquist
15:34:59 <Martin1> Jo: is a formal liaison needed?
15:35:12 <dom> ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a liaison with OpenAjax
15:35:12 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-621 - Check if W3C has a liaison with OpenAjax [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2008-01-24].
15:35:16 <Martin1> Dom: there isn't one in place now
15:35:36 <Martin1> Topic: Update on Seoul
15:36:15 <Martin1> Jo: People starting to make travel plans..
15:36:39 <Martin1> ... BPWG meeting on Mon/Tue, overlap with UWA then DDWG on Thu/Fri
15:36:51 <Martin1> ... is that correct?
15:37:29 <dom> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Jan/0018.html
15:37:30 <Martin1> Jo: We need to communicate this with members of the group.  Should have a further survey.
15:37:30 <dom> q+
15:37:33 <dom> ack me
15:38:06 <Martin1> Dom: At this stage we should open a registration form but we are waiting for all the logistical details from the hosts
15:38:47 <Martin1> Jo: So we will need to hold off until we have accommodation info.
15:39:27 <Martin1> ... We should send out a reminder announcing the registration will be open shortly
15:39:51 <Martin1> Jo: Quick straw poll..
15:40:12 <dom> [I won't be coming to Seoul unfortunately due to a conflicting commitment]
15:40:17 <Martin1> ... who is definitely not coming? 
15:40:22 <achuter> +1
15:40:25 <srowen> (I cannot attend)
15:40:38 <Martin1> Jo: Who is definitely coming?
15:40:41 <francois> I'm coming
15:40:42 <Bryan> +1
15:40:52 <jo> +1
15:40:54 <Jason> I'm waiting for travel approval
15:41:05 <SeanP> I'm a hopeful
15:41:29 <Martin1> Topic: AOB
15:41:45 <Martin1> none
15:41:46 <achuter> bye
15:41:48 <Magnus> bye bye
15:41:49 <nacho> thanks, bye
15:41:52 <Zakim> -Bryan_Sullivan
15:41:53 <abel> bye
15:41:53 <Zakim> -Dom
15:41:53 <Zakim> -Jason
15:41:54 <Jason> Jason has left #bpwg
15:41:54 <Zakim> -jo
15:41:54 <Zakim> -Sean_Owen
15:41:55 <abel> abel has left #bpwg
15:41:56 <Zakim> -Magnus
15:41:57 <Zakim> -francois
15:41:58 <Zakim> -Ed_Mitukiewicz
15:41:59 <Zakim> -achuter
15:42:01 <Zakim> -SeanP
15:42:15 <nacho> nacho has left #bpwg
15:42:19 <Zakim> -abel
15:42:21 <jo> Thanks to Martin for Scribing
15:42:23 <Martin1> Thanks
15:42:59 <Zakim> -MartinJ
15:43:01 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
15:43:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +46.3.17.47.aaaa, francois, +20899aabb, jo, Magnus, Dom, +1.503.539.aacc, Jason, MartinJ, Ed_Mitukiewicz, Bryan_Sullivan, achuter, +1.630.414.aadd, SeanP, Sean_Owen,
15:43:04 <Zakim> ... abel, nacho, miguel
15:44:39 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:44:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-minutes.html francois
15:45:09 <francois> Chair: Jo
15:49:25 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:49:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-minutes.html francois
16:19:09 <francois> rrsagent, bye
16:19:09 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-actions.rdf :
16:19:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ALan to update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments [1]
16:19:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-irc#T15-27-41
16:19:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: achuter to update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments [2]
16:19:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-irc#T15-27-48
16:19:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jo to raise issue of co-editorship vacancy [3]
16:19:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-irc#T15-33-35
16:19:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a liaison with OpenAjax [4]
16:19:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-irc#T15-35-12