IRC log of bpwg on 2008-01-17

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be BPWG

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ok, trackbot-ng; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes

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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 17 January 2008

14:56:50 [Zakim]

j1, you asked to be pinged at this time

14:57:06 [francois]

Regrets: Kai, Adam, RobFinean, PhilA, Kemp, AlanTai, Roland

14:57:14 [dom]

zakim, ping jo now

14:57:14 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'ping jo now', dom

14:57:37 [jo]

zakim, code?

14:57:37 [Zakim]

the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo

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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started

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+ +46.3.17.47.aaaa

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+francois

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-francois

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+francois

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+ +20899aabb

15:00:11 [jo]

zakim, aabb is me

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+jo; got it

15:00:25 [francois]

zakim, aaaa is Magnus

15:00:25 [Zakim]

+Magnus; got it

15:00:27 [jo]

zakim, aaaa is Magnus

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sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

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+Dom

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ack me

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+??P11

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+ +1.503.539.aacc

15:02:18 [dom]

Zakim, aacc is Jason

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+Jason; got it

15:02:23 [dom]

zakim, ??P11 is Martin

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+Martin; got it

15:02:33 [jo]

zakim, aacc is Jason

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sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

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+Alan_Chuter

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Zakim, Martin is MartinJ

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+MartinJ; got it

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+Ed_Mitukiewicz

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+Bryan_Sullivan

15:05:21 [dom]

Regrets+ Charles

15:05:24 [achuter]

zakim, mute me

15:05:24 [Zakim]

sorry, achuter, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

15:05:27 [francois]

Regrets+ chaals

15:05:35 [dom]

zakim, Alan_Chuter is achuter

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+achuter; got it

15:05:50 [dom]

Regrets+ Shahriar

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+ +1.630.414.aadd

15:05:54 [achuter]

zakim, mute me

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achuter should now be muted

15:06:08 [SeanP]

zakim, aadd is me

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+SeanP; got it

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+Sean_Owen

15:07:19 [dom]

zakim, pick a victim

15:07:19 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SeanP

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ScribeNick: Martin1

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Scribe: MartinHarris

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jan/0025.html

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Scribenick: MartinJ

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ScribeNick: Martin1

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+[CTIC]

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s/Harris/Jones/

15:08:30 [abel]

zakim, [CTIC] is me

15:08:30 [Zakim]

+abel; got it

15:08:41 [Martin1]

Jo: Agenda as published

15:08:47 [dom]

Topic: Reports from Task Forces

15:08:57 [abel]

zakim, nacho is with me

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+nacho; got it

15:09:04 [abel]

zakim, miguel is with me

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+miguel; got it

15:09:12 [Martin1]

Jo: was not able hava call last week

15:09:25 [dom]

s/hava/to have/

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... so no further progress in last week

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... will be sending out noted about Bryan's proposed text

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... if no objections this will be the draft

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... Francois has volunteered to lead the CT Task Force. Thanks very much.

15:11:01 [Martin1]

Francois: CT guidleline needs to move forward and I will try to make progress

15:11:18 [Martin1]

Jo: Thanks very much for "volunteering"

15:11:43 [Martin1]

Topic: Report from Checker Task Force

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15:12:01 [Martin1]

Sean: Trying to get to a point where we can cut a new release of the checker, as a Beta

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... still some issues to fix

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... issues are bing fixed. Will discuss on list whether it is ready for a beta release

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... may take another week or so

15:13:38 [Martin1]

... would keep the beta in public for about 2 months then release as 1.0

15:13:40 [abel_]

zakim, abel_ is really abel

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sorry, abel_, I do not recognize a party named 'abel_'

15:14:06 [Martin1]

Jo: Thanks for all the hard work

15:14:51 [dom]

+1 to jo's position

15:14:53 [Martin1]

Jo; would prefer to delay a little more and ensure that the beta is at least complete

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q+

15:15:00 [dom]

s/Jo;/Jo:/

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ack me

15:15:39 [Martin1]

dom: agree with fixing all discrepancies from MobileOK before beta

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Jo: There is a question as to whether the existing check should be replaced anyway since the checker is already better

15:16:58 [Martin1]

dom: There is a resource issue with doing this

15:17:15 [jo]

q+

15:17:21 [jo]

ac2 0e

15:17:25 [francois]

ack jo

15:17:56 [Martin1]

Topic: MobileOK Pro

15:17:56 [jo]

s/ac2 0e//

15:18:11 [Martin1]

Jo: Regrets from Phil

15:18:41 [Martin1]

... next call will be one week from today at 1pm

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... UTC

15:19:34 [Martin1]

Topic: Accessibility Document

15:20:04 [francois]

-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20080117, Relationship Between Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 and Web Content Accessibility Guidelines

15:20:09 [Martin1]

achuter: Has been a lot work to get public working draft..

15:20:19 [dom]

s/17,/17/

15:20:32 [Martin1]

... Francois has helped a lot.. It is now ready to go. People should have looked at it by now.

15:20:36 [dom]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Request Current Draft transition to First Public Working Draft

15:20:46 [francois]

q+

15:21:23 [jo]

ack f

15:21:36 [Martin1]

Jo: We should all be very excited by this. We are putting into the public domain in a somewhat incomplete state to get early comment

15:22:32 [Martin1]

Francos: Wording in TOC is slightly different from other document (see WCAG link)

15:22:38 [dom]

Congrats to Alan!

15:22:49 [Martin1]

Jo: any further comment?

15:22:51 [dom]

RESOLUTION: Request Current Draft transition to First Public Working Draft

15:23:16 [dom]

q+ for pub date, shortname

15:23:20 [dom]

q+ to talk about for pub date, shortname

15:23:21 [dom]

ack me

15:23:22 [Zakim]

dom, you wanted to talk about for pub date, shortname

15:23:37 [Martin1]

Jo: Thanks to the EOWG for their cooperation and collaboration. We will request the transition

15:24:49 [dom]

RESOLUTION: doc to be published as mwbp-wcag on Jan 22

15:24:53 [Martin1]

Dom: [discussion of short name and date]

15:25:26 [Martin1]

Jo: We should think about working with EOWG to promote this document

15:25:42 [dom]

"Please send feedback to both wai-eo-editors@w3.org (archive) and public-bpwg@w3.org (archive)."

15:25:48 [Martin1]

Alan: We don't have a forum for the discussion at the moment

15:26:13 [dom]

ack me

15:26:18 [Martin1]

Jo: Looking for a recommendation of what we should do for this

15:26:35 [Martin1]

Dom: Suggest bpwg-comments

15:27:05 [Martin1]

Jo: we would prefer all comments to be on one list so they should not go onto two lists

15:27:09 [dom]

(I meant "public-bpwg-comments@w3.org")

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/

15:27:41 [dom]

ACTION: ALan to update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments

15:27:41 [trackbot-ng]

Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ALan

15:27:41 [trackbot-ng]

Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. achuter, atai)

15:27:48 [dom]

ACTION: achuter to update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments

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Created ACTION-619 - Update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments [on Alan Chuter - due 2008-01-24].

15:28:19 [Martin1]

Jo: we thank the EOWG in advance for their work on this

15:28:32 [jo]

s/EOWG/Team

15:28:35 [dom]

s/the EOWG/our beloved staff contacts/

15:28:45 [Martin1]

Topic: BP2

15:29:07 [Martin1]

Bryan: current status: Sent out email requesting input

15:29:31 [dom]

ACTION-592?

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ACTION-592 -- Edward Mitukiewicz to report whether he can be editor of the document who shall not be named -- due 2008-01-03 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/592

15:29:34 [Martin1]

... this is the only progress in the last week.

15:29:50 [dom]

close ACTION-592

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ACTION-592 report whether he can be editor of the document who shall not be named closed

15:30:16 [Martin1]

Jo: Ed regrets that he cannot assume editorship

15:30:49 [Martin1]

s/editorship/co-editorship/

15:31:27 [Martin1]

Jo: Open question is can anyone else assume that role?

15:31:47 [Martin1]

... there are many benefits.

15:32:18 [Martin1]

... [discussion of XML/HTML editors for preparing spec documents]

15:32:53 [dom]

(as a reminder, http://www.w3.org/2003/Editors/ has many information for editors, and any addition to that page is also welcome)

15:33:18 [dom]

ack me

15:33:35 [Martin1]

ACTION: Jo to raise issue of co-editorship vacancy

15:33:35 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-620 - Raise issue of co-editorship vacancy [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-01-24].

15:34:20 [Martin1]

Bryan: received email from Phillip Hoschka re Mobile AJAX

15:34:35 [dom]

ack me

15:34:41 [Martin1]

Jo: take it up with Dan Appelquist

15:34:59 [Martin1]

Jo: is a formal liaison needed?

15:35:12 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a liaison with OpenAjax

15:35:12 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-621 - Check if W3C has a liaison with OpenAjax [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2008-01-24].

15:35:16 [Martin1]

Dom: there isn't one in place now

15:35:36 [Martin1]

Topic: Update on Seoul

15:36:15 [Martin1]

Jo: People starting to make travel plans..

15:36:39 [Martin1]

... BPWG meeting on Mon/Tue, overlap with UWA then DDWG on Thu/Fri

15:36:51 [Martin1]

... is that correct?

15:37:29 [dom]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Jan/0018.html

15:37:30 [Martin1]

Jo: We need to communicate this with members of the group. Should have a further survey.

15:37:30 [dom]

q+

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ack me

15:38:06 [Martin1]

Dom: At this stage we should open a registration form but we are waiting for all the logistical details from the hosts

15:38:47 [Martin1]

Jo: So we will need to hold off until we have accommodation info.

15:39:27 [Martin1]

... We should send out a reminder announcing the registration will be open shortly

15:39:51 [Martin1]

Jo: Quick straw poll..

15:40:12 [dom]

[I won't be coming to Seoul unfortunately due to a conflicting commitment]

15:40:17 [Martin1]

... who is definitely not coming?

15:40:22 [achuter]

+1

15:40:25 [srowen]

(I cannot attend)

15:40:38 [Martin1]

Jo: Who is definitely coming?

15:40:41 [francois]

I'm coming

15:40:42 [Bryan]

+1

15:40:52 [jo]

+1

15:40:54 [Jason]

I'm waiting for travel approval

15:41:05 [SeanP]

I'm a hopeful

15:41:29 [Martin1]

Topic: AOB

15:41:45 [Martin1]

none

15:41:46 [achuter]

bye

15:41:48 [Magnus]

bye bye

15:41:49 [nacho]

thanks, bye

15:41:52 [Zakim]

-Bryan_Sullivan

15:41:53 [abel]

bye

15:41:53 [Zakim]

-Dom

15:41:53 [Zakim]

-Jason

15:41:54 [Jason]

Jason has left #bpwg

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-jo

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-Sean_Owen

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abel has left #bpwg

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-Magnus

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-francois

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-Ed_Mitukiewicz

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-achuter

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-SeanP

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nacho has left #bpwg

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-abel

15:42:21 [jo]

Thanks to Martin for Scribing

15:42:23 [Martin1]

Thanks

15:42:59 [Zakim]

-MartinJ

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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +46.3.17.47.aaaa, francois, +20899aabb, jo, Magnus, Dom, +1.503.539.aacc, Jason, MartinJ, Ed_Mitukiewicz, Bryan_Sullivan, achuter, +1.630.414.aadd, SeanP, Sean_Owen,

15:43:04 [Zakim]

... abel, nacho, miguel

15:44:39 [francois]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-minutes.html francois

15:45:09 [francois]

Chair: Jo

15:49:25 [francois]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-minutes.html francois

16:19:09 [francois]

rrsagent, bye

16:19:09 [RRSAgent]

I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: ALan to update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-irc#T15-27-41

16:19:09 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: achuter to update the comments list to public-bpwg-comments [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-irc#T15-27-48

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ACTION: Jo to raise issue of co-editorship vacancy [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-irc#T15-33-35

16:19:09 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a liaison with OpenAjax [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-bpwg-irc#T15-35-12