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14:42:39 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
14:43:00 <ivan> Meeting: SWEO Weekly Telco
14:43:03 <ivan> Chair: Susie
14:43:11 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:43:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/16-sweo-minutes.html ivan
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14:58:51 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
14:58:58 <Zakim> +Susie
14:59:19 <Zakim> +??P1
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15:00:39 <Zakim> + +019082aaaa
15:00:53 <MartinD> +01908 is me
15:01:02 <MartinD> zakim, +01908 is me
15:01:02 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
15:01:18 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:01:18 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:01:20 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:01:47 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:01:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Susie, ??P1, MartinD, Ivan
15:01:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see PaulaP, bengee, Susie, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, ivan, Kjetil
15:02:07 <ivan> zakim, ??P1 is JeffP
15:02:07 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
15:02:22 <Zakim> +??P9
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15:02:43 <ivan> zakim, ??P9 is Paula
15:02:43 <Zakim> +Paula; got it
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15:03:37 <JacekK> zakim, code?
15:03:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), JacekK
15:03:41 <Zakim> + +49.895.4.aabb
15:03:54 <MartinD> zakim, Paula is PaulaP
15:03:54 <Zakim> +PaulaP; got it
15:04:29 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Meetings/2008-01-16_Conference_Call
15:04:29 <MartinD> paula, now it should be identifying you correctly
15:04:49 <Zakim> + +1.978.664.aacc
15:05:14 <ivan> zakim, aacc is chris
15:05:14 <Zakim> +chris; got it
15:05:17 <Zakim> +??P14
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15:05:37 <ivan> zakim, ??P14 is uldis
15:05:37 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
15:05:54 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:05:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Susie, JeffP, MartinD, Ivan, PaulaP, +49.895.4.aabb, chris, uldis
15:05:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see CaptSolo, JacekK, Andrea, PaulaP, bengee, Susie, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, ivan, Kjetil
15:06:01 <Susie> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:06:01 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MartinD
15:07:02 <MartinD> jeff put together some initial info for business case/presentation
15:07:21 <Zakim> + +47.67.8.aadd
15:07:24 <MartinD> so far draft has been produced, link sent via email
15:07:36 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Kjetil
15:07:36 <Zakim> +Kjetil; got it
15:07:50 <Kjetil> Zakim, mute me
15:07:50 <Zakim> Kjetil should now be muted
15:07:55 <Zakim> + +43.512.507.aaee
15:08:01 <MartinD> draft shall now be opened up so that people out of SWEO can comment
15:08:03 <JacekK> zakim, aaee is me
15:08:03 <Zakim> +JacekK; got it
15:08:22 <Zakim> + +49.631.2.aaff
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15:08:51 <leobard> 16 could be me
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15:09:08 <ivan> zakim, ??P16 is Leo
15:09:09 <Zakim> +Leo; got it
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15:09:21 <MartinD> draft is produced in a "backwards" style: technology is a background, very few successful business cases are technology led
15:09:32 <kidehen> who is speaking?
15:09:35 <MartinD> most uilt around idea of decreasing risks
15:09:41 <MartinD> Jeff Pollock speaking
15:10:13 <leobard> who's here?
15:10:21 <leobard> zakim, who's here? 
15:10:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Susie, JeffP, MartinD, Ivan, PaulaP (muted), +49.895.4.aabb, chris, uldis, Kjetil (muted), JacekK, +49.631.2.aaff, Leo
15:10:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see kidehen, leobard, uldis, JacekK, Andrea, PaulaP, bengee, Susie, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, ivan, Kjetil
15:10:32 <MartinD> the approach tries to show why SW can be used as a low-cost as opposed to hi-risk solution
15:10:45 <leobard> P15 is leobard
15:10:56 <MartinD> SW is often pictured as strategic, long-terms solution, so this is somewaht addressed
15:11:04 <Zakim> +??P17
15:11:17 <Kjetil> Zakim, P15 is leobard
15:11:17 <Zakim> sorry, Kjetil, I do not recognize a party named 'P15'
15:11:17 <leobard> zakim, who's here? 
15:11:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Susie, JeffP, MartinD, Ivan, PaulaP (muted), +49.895.4.aabb, chris, uldis, Kjetil (muted), JacekK, +49.631.2.aaff, Leo, ??P17
15:11:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see kidehen, leobard, uldis, JacekK, Andrea, PaulaP, bengee, Susie, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, ivan, Kjetil
15:11:23 <Kjetil> Zakim, ??P15 is leobard
15:11:25 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as JacekK, Kjetil
15:11:25 <MartinD> scribenick: MartinD
15:11:55 <MartinD> Jeff continues: think about SW as a tactical rather than strategic choice...
15:11:56 <leobard> hm, I am +49.631.2.aaff but don't know the number P..
15:12:19 <Zakim> +??P19
15:12:19 <Kjetil> Zakim, aaff is leobard
15:12:20 <Zakim> +leobard; got it
15:12:29 <bengee> zakim, ??P19 is me
15:12:29 <Zakim> +bengee; got it
15:12:56 <MartinD> Jeff: after technical founations, provide justifications why and how to launch programmes (in the near future), rather than relying on technologies from the past
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15:13:32 <MartinD> Jeff: make people understand that when they invest into SW they invest into a (technology) solution of the future
15:13:56 <danja> (sorry I'm late, dozed off after lunch)
15:14:11 <MartinD> Jeff: draft shall be now opened to comments to gauge consensus, etc. once that is reached, we can go for a PPT version of it
15:14:25 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aagg
15:14:25 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:14:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Susie, JeffP, MartinD, Ivan, PaulaP (muted), +49.895.4.aabb, chris, uldis, Kjetil (muted), JacekK, leobard, Leo, ??P17, bengee, +1.603.897.aagg
15:14:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see danja, kidehen, leobard, uldis, JacekK, Andrea, PaulaP, bengee, Susie, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, ivan, Kjetil
15:14:41 <MartinD> Kingsley: is the draft in ESW wiki?
15:14:56 <ivan> zakim, aagg is Kingsley
15:14:56 <Zakim> +Kingsley; got it
15:15:01 <MartinD> Jeff: only to mailing list... so the thing needs to go into ESW wiki
15:15:11 <Zakim> +??P27
15:15:12 <Kjetil> http://me.jtpollock.us/pubs/drafts/SWEO.SemWeb.BusinessCase.v1.doc # <- this one?
15:15:32 <danja> Zakim, ??P27 is danja
15:15:32 <Zakim> +danja; got it
15:15:33 <MartinD> KIngsley: if in wiki, the doc might be easier to edit, collaborate (via a browser, rather than downloading)
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15:15:55 <MartinD> Jeff: no preference for collab medium/format... doc should reside with the community
15:16:06 <MartinD> Susie: then it looks like wiki is the choice
15:16:28 <MartinD> ACTION: Susie to put Jeff''s doc onto ESW wiki
15:16:55 <MartinD> Susie: can edits be done before sweo concludes at the end of January = how much can be edited by then?
15:17:12 <MartinD> Susie: we should aim at a delivery around next week
15:17:39 <MartinD> Ivan: PPT is ssecondary, doc should be finished to the extent people are happy with it
15:18:05 <danja> Zakim, mute me
15:18:05 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
15:18:10 <MartinD> Chris: offering help...it's good doc talks about capabilities, what SW enables, how it's done
15:18:46 <MartinD> Susie: also agrees that technological basis might not be ideal for this kind of doc, so a good choice of approach
15:19:08 <MartinD> Susie: we should get comments by next Wednesday, so that  Jeff can move on to slides
15:19:27 <MartinD> Susie: would we be able to publish the doc itself (not only PPT)?
15:19:47 <MartinD> Jeff: would be very useful, so that there is more narrative, not just labels, bullet points
15:19:59 <leobard> q+
15:20:10 <ivan> ack leobard 
15:21:01 <MartinD> Leo: good doc, neutrally written... wonders what is the "white paper"-ish aspect of this doc = how is it gonna be published
15:21:31 <MartinD> Ivan: finished version on the wiki is fine, at this moment, if more is needed, we can 'upgrade' to e.g. IG Note
15:22:01 <MartinD> Ivan: if slides are made, they should be done in a way that links them with narrative (e.g. for re-use)
15:22:28 <MartinD> Susie: maybe preparing slides so that it contains chunks of the agreed narrative
15:22:45 <MartinD> Topic: Leo & info gathering
15:22:55 <MartinD> Leo: data uploaded today
15:23:21 <MartinD> Leo: core data sets up and running, few smaall technical problems - contacted implementers
15:23:42 <MartinD> Susie: let me know when the issues are overcome, so that we can write it into blog
15:23:58 <MartinD> Susie: there was some discussion re URI doc
15:24:48 <MartinD> Leo: a few emails from december, one this month... Danny also responded, but the recent emails somewhat returned back to old issues discussed at the w3c level
15:24:51 <danja> Zakim, unmute me
15:24:51 <Zakim> danja should no longer be muted
15:25:41 <MartinD> Danny: main of the latest email wasn't really relevant to the URI doc, only minor editorial change suggested
15:25:50 <leobard> danja: the editorial change you suggested is good
15:26:32 <leobard> danja: it is: "The standard Web transfer protocol, HTTP, should be used."
15:26:32 <leobard> to something like:
15:26:32 <leobard> "The standard Web transfer protocol, HTTP, can provide such a look-up
15:26:32 <leobard> mechanism".
15:26:36 <MartinD> Susie: URI doc is on track, waiting for deadline for comments to pass to upgrade the doc
15:26:54 <MartinD> Susie: encouraged people at W3 coordination mtg to look at it
15:27:16 <MartinD> Leo: deadline is next Monday for URI, what will happen after the revision round?
15:27:41 <MartinD> Ivan: depends on comments, so far comments / issues are minor, almost on the editorial level
15:28:25 <MartinD> Ivan: with such points we can still go ahead and publish it as a Note, if something controversial comes, we may have a problem
15:28:46 <MartinD> Susie: let's wait for the deadline (21/Jan) and see the what kind of comments we get
15:28:48 <Zakim> -JeffP
15:28:59 <MartinD> Topic: FAQ
15:29:25 <MartinD> Ivan: no update, nothing received from GRDDL people to include
15:29:31 <MartinD> Susie: I will chase them
15:29:47 <MartinD> Topic: Use cases
15:29:56 <MartinD> Ivan: no progress at this point
15:30:23 <MartinD> Ivan: received mail from Melli who should review the use cases by the end of this weekend, Lee will do something similar
15:31:00 <MartinD> Melli: Lee and me would have a look at cases, identify categories of facets that seem to be coming out of materials
15:31:14 <MartinD> Topic: preferred doc collection
15:31:27 <MartinD> Danny: no more progress at this point
15:32:12 <MartinD> Danny: some ideas to use talis technology, but still in progress, so more information to come next week
15:32:21 <MartinD> Topic: community projects
15:32:25 <Kjetil> Zakim, unmute me
15:32:25 <Zakim> Kjetil should no longer be muted
15:32:47 <MartinD> Kjetil: continued to work
15:33:15 <MartinD> Kjetil: project likely to continue, probably not concluding within this SWEO
15:33:25 <Kjetil> Zakim, mute me
15:33:25 <Zakim> Kjetil should now be muted
15:33:41 <danja> ACTION: Danny to continue with RecommendedTutorials, with aim of having something to show within current SWEO lifetime 
15:33:44 <MartinD> Benji: also needs more time for his project, still there is a possibility to conclude within SWEO
15:34:09 <MartinD> Kingsley: work is going on, some more inpute expected from german guys
15:34:15 <MartinD> Topic: enterprise survey
15:34:38 <MartinD> Susie: now about a year old, data is a bit out of date, so what about its validity?
15:34:58 <MartinD> Susie: maybe it was good as an information input, but little reason to publish it as a doc
15:35:16 <MartinD> proposed: scrap the idea of publishing enterprise survey
15:35:28 <MartinD> Topic: Other
15:35:54 <MartinD> Susie: go to wiki and enter info on what SWEO should be interested in when going on into the future
15:35:55 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Next_Steps
15:36:10 <bengee> s/aded/added/
15:36:15 <MartinD> Susie: put yout thoughts there, it would influence what SWEO does, etc.
15:36:52 <MartinD> Bengee: Q re wiki page... maybe we should get some form of task force debriefing, to get an idea what worked,etc
15:37:13 <MartinD> Susie: maybe debriefing should be scheduled for last call, 30 Jan
15:37:33 <bengee> :)
15:37:44 <MartinD> bye
15:37:44 <Zakim> -Susie
15:37:44 <PaulaP> bye
15:37:45 <Zakim> -Leo
15:37:46 <Zakim> -JacekK
15:37:47 <Zakim> -Kingsley
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15:37:51 <Zakim> -chris
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15:38:10 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:38:12 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
15:38:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Susie, +019082aaaa, MartinD, Ivan, JeffP, +49.895.4.aabb, PaulaP, +1.978.664.aacc, chris, uldis, +47.67.8.aadd, Kjetil, +43.512.507.aaee, JacekK, +49.631.2.aaff,
15:38:16 <Zakim> ... Leo, leobard, bengee, +1.603.897.aagg, Kingsley, danja
15:38:19 <ivan> zakim, bye
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15:38:29 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:38:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/16-sweo-minutes.html ivan
15:38:46 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
15:38:46 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/16-sweo-actions.rdf :
15:38:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Susie to put Jeff''s doc onto ESW wiki [1]
15:38:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/16-sweo-irc#T15-16-28
15:38:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Danny to continue with RecommendedTutorials, with aim of having something to show within current SWEO lifetime  [2]
15:38:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/16-sweo-irc#T15-33-41