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16:02:34 <DanC> Zakim, this will be GRDDL
16:02:39 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #grddl-wg
16:02:41 <DanC> Zakim, this will be GRDDL
16:02:51 <Zakim> ok, DanC, I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM already started
16:03:02 <danja> Happy New Year!!
16:03:14 <DanC> Zakim, this is GRDDL
16:03:14 <Zakim> DanC, this was already SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
16:03:15 <Zakim> ok, DanC; that matches SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
16:03:30 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
16:03:30 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
16:03:31 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
16:03:44 <Zakim> +DanC
16:03:46 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda.rdf
16:03:46 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
16:03:48 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
16:04:12 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:04:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC
16:04:25 <john-l> Zakim, I am aaaa
16:04:25 <Zakim> +john-l; got it
16:04:25 <DanC> Zakim, aaaa is john-l 
16:04:26 <Zakim> sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
16:05:41 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda.rdf
16:05:41 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
16:05:42 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
16:05:43 <Zakim> +??P30
16:05:54 <danja> Zakim, ??P30 is danja
16:05:54 <Zakim> +danja; got it
16:08:54 <Simone> Zakim, passcode please
16:08:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'passcode', Simone
16:08:55 <DanC> agenda + Convene GRDDL WG  meeting of 2008-01-16T11:00-0400 [HarryH]
16:09:02 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
16:09:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG  meeting of 2008-01-16T11:00-0400" taken up [from HarryH via DanC]
16:09:10 <DanC> agenda + Atom (GRDDL Outreach) [HarryH]
16:09:19 <DanC> agenda + hReview [HarryH]
16:09:34 <DanC> agenda + Social Networking and OpenID [HarryH]
16:09:44 <DanC> agenda + hCard [HarryH]
16:09:54 <DanC> agenda + Other GRDDL Outreach opportunities [HarryH]
16:10:03 <DanC> agenda + Updating Spec [HarryH]
16:10:09 <Zakim> + +1.415.254.aabb
16:10:14 <DanC> agenda + W3C GRDDL Service [HarryH]
16:10:24 <DanC> agenda + GRDDL Wrap-Up [HarryH]
16:11:02 <john-l> scribe: me
16:11:03 <HarryH> Convene GRDDL WG  meeting of 2008-01-16T11:00-0400
16:11:04 <DanC> q+ to note a couple agenda requests: issue-tx-element, SemTech in May
16:11:24 <HarryH> Chair: HarryH
16:11:27 <Zakim> +??P35
16:11:36 <Simone> Zakim, ??P35 is me
16:11:36 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
16:11:37 <DanC> agenda + issue-tx-element and logos/badges
16:11:38 <HarryH> Scribe: john-l
16:11:48 <DanC> agenda + SemTech in May... tutorial?
16:12:07 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:12:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, DanC, danja, +1.415.254.aabb, Simone
16:12:14 <DanC> Zakim, aabb is HarryH 
16:12:14 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
16:12:34 <HarryH> regrets: Fabien, BrianS, DavidBooth, Murray, jjc
16:13:13 <danja> Zakim, mute me
16:13:13 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
16:13:28 <HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG -- 21 Nov 2007 as a true record
16:14:22 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Nov/att-0010/grddl-minutes-2007-11-07.html.bak
16:14:39 <danja> .bak?
16:14:50 <DanC> yeah, .bak; go figure.
16:14:57 <HarryH> RESOLVED: approved as a true record.
16:15:28 <Simone> Zakim, mute me
16:15:28 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted
16:15:31 <DanC> Zakim, take up item Wrap-Up
16:15:31 <Zakim> agendum 9. "GRDDL Wrap-Up" taken up [from HarryH via DanC]
16:16:20 <john-l> HarryH: W3C recommended that GRDDL WG go into "suspended animation"
16:16:35 <john-l> HarryH: We won't technically close, but we also won't have any formal work.
16:16:37 <john-l> HarryH: That ok?
16:17:08 <john-l> HarryH: Not hearing "no", we'll proceed with the suspended animation.
16:17:14 <HarryH> PROPOSED: Go into hiatus till W3C deems it necesary to close.
16:17:24 <HarryH> RESOLVED: We're going into hiatus.
16:17:35 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:17:35 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, HarryH
16:17:44 <HarryH> ack DanC
16:17:44 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note a couple agenda requests: issue-tx-element, SemTech in May
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16:17:54 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:17:54 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG  meeting of 2008-01-16T11:00-0400" taken up [from HarryH]
16:18:08 <DanC> Zakim, close item 9
16:18:08 <Zakim> agendum 9, GRDDL Wrap-Up, closed
16:18:09 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:18:09 <DanC> Zakim, close item 1
16:18:10 <Zakim> 1. Convene GRDDL WG  meeting of 2008-01-16T11:00-0400 [from HarryH via DanC]
16:18:11 <Zakim> agendum 1, Convene GRDDL WG  meeting of 2008-01-16T11:00-0400, closed
16:18:12 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:18:14 <Zakim> 2. Atom (GRDDL Outreach) [from HarryH via DanC]
16:18:17 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 2
16:18:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Atom (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up [from HarryH via DanC]
16:18:24 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:18:32 <danja> Zakim, unmute me
16:18:32 <Zakim> danja should no longer be muted
16:19:10 <DanC> looks like this is done? ACTION: HarryH and Danja to set-up meeting with Kanzaki and Henry Story over ATOM, possibly in Dec, alert list when meeting scheduled
16:19:28 <DanC> (pointer to record of meeting?)
16:19:39 <john-l> danja: Unclear what the next step should be after the meeting.
16:19:54 <john-l> HarryH: Issues with the model that needed some decision-making.
16:20:23 <HarryH> ACTION [DONE]:  HarryH and Danja to set-up meeting with Kanzaki and Henry Story over ATOM, possibly in Dec, alert list when meeting scheduled
16:20:48 <DanC> q+ to ask for a write-up of the current state *before* trying to solve all the remaining issues
16:20:52 <john-l> HarryH: Meeting took place in #swig, should be able to find the "minutes" there.
16:20:57 <danja> 11th Jan?
16:21:08 <HarryH> ack DanC
16:21:08 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask for a write-up of the current state *before* trying to solve all the remaining issues
16:21:48 <john-l> DanC: Publish important work, even given the 4 small issues.
16:22:16 <john-l> HarryH: I think Henry (Story) will publish, and I think we agreed to monthly meetings.
16:22:25 <john-l> DanC: Where is that going to happen?
16:22:30 <john-l> HarryH: #swig notes
16:22:36 <john-l> DanC: When?
16:22:43 <john-l> HarryH: Hopefully within a month or two.
16:22:52 <danja> http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2008-01-11.html
16:23:11 <DanC> (scratchpad from 11 Jan is http://swig.xmlhack.com/2008/01/11/2008-01-11.html )
16:23:58 <john-l> HarryH: Kansaki can only participate over IRC.
16:24:22 <john-l> ... He and Henry are willing to continue testing the XSLT 2 version of the transformation.
16:24:42 <john-l> DanC: When will the next chat take place?
16:24:51 <john-l> HarryH: That's unclear.
16:24:59 <DanC> ... ~ 1 month
16:25:58 <john-l> DanC: Suggest using grddl-comments ML for anything GRDDL-related.
16:26:01 <HarryH> ACTION: [DONE] danja and john-l to test and see if any XSLT is mature enough to add to ATOM namespace doc and has proper licensing (W3C Software license), as well as canvass all candidate XSLT authors for their opinion on ATOM/RSS 1.0 namespace.
16:26:13 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:26:13 <Zakim> agendum 3. "hReview" taken up [from HarryH]
16:26:19 <john-l> I think it would be good to continue using grddl-comments.  I know I'm interested.
16:26:36 <john-l> danja: No change on my end.
16:27:56 <danja> btw http://hyperdata.org/twitcrit/doc.html describes a new toy using the Review vocab (intend to recycle for use with hReview/GRDDL)
16:28:07 <john-l> DanC: SWIG needs to make a decision to publish; usually that's pretty easy.
16:28:50 <john-l> DanC: It could probably be done in 3-4 days.
16:31:57 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2008JanMar/0000.html story telling and test cases and hReview
16:32:27 <HarryH> ACTION: [DONE] DanC to ask OT and Karl D to invite Danja to contribute his hReview experience to the "story telling and test cases" work
16:32:48 <HarryH> ACTION: [WITHDRAWN] HarryH to e-mail Danja Docbook vocabulary mixing.
16:33:09 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:33:09 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Social Networking and OpenID" taken up [from HarryH]
16:33:29 <HarryH> http://www.ibiblio.org/hhalpin/homepage/drafts/soccharter.html
16:33:49 <HarryH> Charter: Ian Davis endorse? DERI Galway?
16:34:34 <Zakim> -Simone
16:35:19 <DanC> (who hosts the data portability list?)
16:35:55 <john-l> HarryH: Chris Dodd behind the data-portability list
16:36:12 <HarryH> Saad not Dodd.
16:36:18 <john-l> s/Dodd/Saad/
16:36:20 <DanC> http://www.dataportability.org/ is in my inbox... let's see...
16:36:21 <HarryH> OpenID-like process.
16:36:54 <HarryH> XRDS which relies XRIs.
16:37:59 <john-l> HarryH: Chris pretty focused on OpenID 2
16:38:13 <Zakim> +??P35
16:38:32 <Simone> Zakim, ??P35 is me
16:38:32 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
16:40:41 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:40:41 <Zakim> agendum 5. "hCard" taken up [from HarryH]
16:40:51 <john-l> HarryH: GRDDL is a pretty clear use-case for social networking
16:41:21 <danja> (Atom/OWL in that space too)
16:41:36 <HarryH> ACTION: [WITHDRAWN] HarryH To finish vCard mapping and publish as SWIG note, update profile URI with slightly tweaked GRDDL transform.
16:43:21 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:43:21 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Other GRDDL Outreach opportunities" taken up [from HarryH]
16:43:52 <DanC> http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects
16:43:54 <DanC> q+
16:44:06 <HarryH> ack DanC
16:44:39 <danja> fyi, http://doapspace.org/ uses my unofficial hDOAP hackery
16:45:03 <DanC> "@@cite request to make it official"
16:45:10 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:45:10 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Updating Spec" taken up [from HarryH]
16:45:24 <john-l> HarryH: A few minor errors exist
16:45:26 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007OctDec/0004.html
16:45:34 <john-l> DanC: Deal with them as errata
16:45:46 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007OctDec/0005.html
16:45:56 <john-l> DanC: Should only republish spec if there is a significant change
16:46:12 <DanC> yes, the problem reports should be acknowledged with (a) a reply, and (b) a link from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/grddl-errata
16:46:42 <john-l> DanC: Maintaining errata page is the responsibility of the director
16:47:07 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:47:07 <Zakim> agendum 8. "W3C GRDDL Service" taken up [from HarryH]
16:47:42 <HarryH> ACTION: [WITHDRAWN] DanC to e-mail about HTML (OlivierT) and RDF and OWL Validator (EricP) linking to GRDDL
16:47:48 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:47:48 <Zakim> agendum 8 was just opened, HarryH
16:47:55 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 9
16:47:55 <Zakim> agendum 9. "GRDDL Wrap-Up" taken up [from HarryH via DanC]
16:48:00 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 10
16:48:00 <Zakim> agendum 10. "issue-tx-element and logos/badges" taken up [from DanC]
16:49:45 <john-l> DanC: issue-tx-element says that it would be good if GRDDL could find things within a document
16:50:37 <john-l> ... How do you keep follow-your-nose but allow for quoting?
16:51:07 <john-l> ... Combine semantics from parent document and embedded stuff.
16:51:17 <DanC> <a rel="profile" href="xyz"><img src="logo" /></a> <- suppose xhtml ns doc said to follow those
16:52:47 <DanC> see RDF-Transparent in http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Syntax.html  hmm... "Status: Obsolete."
16:53:50 <john-l> chimezie: Email comment list with this idea?
16:53:55 <john-l> DanC: Already done.
16:54:09 <john-l> DanC: Hopefully crack open a door for some hacking.
16:54:20 <DanC> (well, I emailed the WG list, not the comments list. and I didn't elaborate much on technical details)
16:55:12 <DanC> Zakim, mail an ogg recording of the last 20 minutes to public-grddl-wg@w3.org
16:55:12 <Zakim> I don't understand you, DanC
16:55:35 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:55:35 <Zakim> agendum 8. "W3C GRDDL Service" taken up [from HarryH]
16:55:41 <john-l> Zakim, please solve the world's problems
16:55:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please solve the world's problems', john-l
16:55:41 <danja> Zakim, coffee please
16:55:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'coffee', danja
16:55:43 <DanC> Zakim, close item 8
16:55:43 <Zakim> agendum 8, W3C GRDDL Service, closed
16:55:43 <HarryH> Zakim, open 11
16:55:44 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:55:45 <Zakim> 11. SemTech in May... tutorial? [from DanC]
16:55:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open 11', HarryH
16:56:02 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:56:02 <Zakim> agendum 11. "SemTech in May... tutorial?" taken up [from DanC]
16:56:18 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:56:40 <john-l> DanC: There may still be an opportunity for tutorials.
16:56:52 <john-l> HarryH: I won't be going.
16:57:10 <john-l> danja: I "might well" be going.
16:58:05 <DanC> HH: I'm going to european semweb conf around that time. conflict. [is that on http://www.ibiblio.org/hhalpin/ ? I don't see it.]
16:58:14 <john-l> Zakim, help Harry bilocate
16:58:14 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
16:58:17 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
16:58:18 <Zakim>  xxx is yyy       - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
16:58:21 <Zakim>                     if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
16:58:23 <Zakim>  xxx may be yyy   - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
16:58:25 <Zakim>  I am xxx         - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
16:58:28 <Zakim>  xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
16:58:30 <Zakim>  xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
16:58:33 <Zakim>  who's here?      - lists the participants on the phone
16:58:35 <Zakim>  who's muted?     - lists the participants who are muted
16:58:37 <Zakim>  mute xxx         - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
16:58:39 <HarryH> Zakim, what is the meaning of life?
16:58:40 <Zakim>  unmute xxx       - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
16:58:42 <Zakim>  is xxx here?     - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
16:58:44 <Zakim>  list conferences - reports the active conferences
16:58:46 <Zakim>  this is xxx      - associates this channel with conference xxx
16:58:48 <Zakim>  excuse us        - disconnects from the irc channel
16:58:49 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2008/01/16 17:16:56 $
16:58:50 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, HarryH.
17:01:01 <danja> one of the SemTech organizers asked talis if I could give a general talk, so I'm kind-of obliged to go
17:01:14 <DanC> parting comment: the GRDDL schedule/process gets better and better the more I look at it in comparison with HTML 5 etc.
17:09:06 <Zakim> -danja
17:09:12 <Zakim> -john-l
17:09:12 <danja> danja has left #grddl-wg
17:09:14 <Zakim> -Simone
17:09:19 <john-l> Zakim: please publish the minutes
17:09:58 <john-l> RRSAgent, please publish the minutes
17:09:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html john-l
17:10:17 <john-l> RRSAgent, please make these logs world-readable
17:10:27 <HarryH> Goodbye everyone!
17:10:33 <Simone> Hi to All :)
17:10:48 <Simone> and think also to HTML5+RDFa via GRDDL... mmmm...
17:10:50 <Simone> :)
17:11:31 <Zakim> -HarryH
17:14:56 <DanC> Zakim, drop me
17:14:56 <Zakim> DanC is being disconnected
17:14:58 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
17:14:59 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, john-l, danja, +1.415.254.aabb, Simone, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji