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12:40:47 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
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12:40:49 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
12:40:49 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot-ng
12:40:50 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
12:40:50 <trackbot-ng> Date: 15 January 2008
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13:33:48 <tlr> trackbot-ng, start meeting
13:33:50 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:33:52 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
13:33:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes
13:33:53 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
13:33:53 <trackbot-ng> Date: 15 January 2008
13:36:24 <tlr> Chair: fjh
13:36:31 <tlr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html
13:36:34 <tlr> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html
13:36:36 <tlr> tlr has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html
13:46:53 <FrederickHirsch> FrederickHirsch has joined #xmlsec
13:47:17 <FrederickHirsch> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
13:47:20 <tlr> hello
13:47:25 <tlr> s/hello//
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13:50:28 <tlr> defcan tests?
13:50:29 <klanz2> Unfortunately I cannot dial in, but I'll try to pay some attention to IRC, in case I can be of help please ping me directly ...
13:50:36 <tlr> s/defcan tests?//
13:51:09 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
13:51:16 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
13:51:46 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:52:00 <fjh> Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas, Bruce Rich
13:52:04 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas
13:52:04 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
13:52:06 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:52:07 <fjh> Scribe: Sean Mullan
13:52:08 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skye
13:52:08 <Zakim> I am sorry, tlr; I do not know a number for thomas-skye
13:52:13 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
13:52:13 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:52:14 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
13:52:16 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
13:52:17 <Zakim> +Thomas
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13:56:52 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html
13:57:18 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:57:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas
13:57:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see sean, klanz2, fjh, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
13:58:50 <Zakim> +Sean_Mullen
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13:59:49 <sean> yes
13:59:59 <Zakim> +rdmiller
14:00:36 <rdmiller> zakim, mute me
14:00:36 <Zakim> rdmiller should now be muted
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14:01:39 <Zakim> +pdatta
14:01:45 <tlr> zakim, I am thomas
14:01:45 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
14:01:46 <tlr> zakim, mute me
14:01:46 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
14:02:03 <fjh> Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas, Konrad Lanz,  Bruce Rich
14:02:15 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html
14:02:21 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:02:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas (muted), Sean_Mullen, rdmiller (muted), pdatta
14:02:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see pdatta, rdmiller, sean, klanz2, fjh, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
14:02:34 <fjh> Konrad, are you able to scribe next week?
14:02:36 <Zakim> +jwray
14:03:12 <sean> TOPIC: Administrivia
14:03:42 <tlr> yes, I'm happy to chair next ween if needed
14:03:51 <sean> fjh: may not be able to chair next week
14:03:57 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/08-xmlsec-minutes.html
14:04:26 <sean> fjh: any concerns with minutes or making them public?
14:04:41 <sean> RESOLUTION: minutes approved and make them public
14:05:14 <sean> TOPIC: C14N11 Implementation report and  Test Case document
14:05:31 <sean> fjh: need to get info on implementations
14:05:42 <sean> fjh: ... in next two weeks
14:05:57 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmldsig/c14n11/report.html
14:06:07 <sean> fjh: this week if possible
14:06:29 <tlr> q+ to note that I'd also like to know whether people are ok with publishing the report
14:06:51 <fjh> ack tlr
14:06:56 <tlr> ack thom
14:06:57 <Zakim> Thomas, you wanted to note that I'd also like to know whether people are ok with publishing the report
14:06:57 <fjh> ack Thomas
14:07:06 <klanz2> Re: Konrad, are you able to scribe next week? No, I'm sorry I am also not sure if I can attend next weeks call, it is very likely that I am on vacation on that day ...
14:07:24 <fjh> Oracle and Sun are able to provide implementation information
14:07:34 <sean> tlr: does anyone object to making the impl. report public?
14:08:24 <tlr> zakim, mute me
14:08:24 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
14:08:41 <tlr> ACTION: sean to confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public
14:08:41 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-134 - Confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public [on Sean Mullan - due 2008-01-22].
14:08:50 <tlr> ACTION: klanz to confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public
14:08:50 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-135 - Confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public [on Konrad Lanz - due 2008-01-22].
14:08:55 <tlr> ACTION: jcc to confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public
14:08:55 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-136 - Confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2008-01-22].
14:09:02 <tlr> ACTION: pdatta to confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public
14:09:02 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-137 - Confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public [on Pratik Datta - due 2008-01-22].
14:09:17 <tlr> zakim, mute me
14:09:17 <Zakim> Thomas was already muted, tlr
14:09:22 <tlr> Bruce has confirmed already
14:10:00 <Zakim> +Hal_Lockhart
14:10:33 <sean> sean's updates included renaming dname tests, renaming xpointer tests, typos
14:10:37 <Zakim> -Thomas
14:10:52 <hal> hal has joined #xmlsec
14:11:42 <sean> also, wrapping was fixed in signature output
14:11:55 <sean> fjh: do we want to keep defcan-legacy-1?
14:12:08 <klanz2> RE: confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public
14:12:08 <klanz2> I'm sitting next to JC could you post the link we will have a quick look... 
14:13:02 <rdmiller> zakim, unmute me
14:13:02 <Zakim> rdmiller should no longer be muted
14:13:22 <sean> hal: will scribe next week
14:13:55 <rdmiller> zakim, mute me
14:13:55 <Zakim> rdmiller should now be muted
14:14:31 <sean> fjh: xml signature implementation report will be similar to c14n
14:14:41 <sean> fjh: which tests do we include?
14:14:48 <Zakim> +Ed_Simon
14:15:03 <sean> fjh: should we include defCan tests?
14:15:17 <sean> fjh: also, what about diffRFCs?
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14:16:01 <tlr_> zakim, call thomas-skype
14:16:01 <Zakim> ok, tlr_; the call is being made
14:16:03 <Zakim> +Thomas
14:16:11 <sean> ACTION: Frederick to send inventory for signature implementation report
14:16:11 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-138 - Send inventory for signature implementation report [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-01-22].
14:16:23 <tlr_> zakim, I am thomas
14:16:23 <Zakim> ok, tlr_, I now associate you with Thomas
14:17:20 <sean> fjh: how do we verify if tests passed or failed?
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14:18:06 <fjh> 1st , digests agree. transform chain
14:19:19 <fjh> Reference processing
14:19:30 <fjh> implementations had different keys, hence signature values won't match
14:19:32 <sean> q+
14:19:43 <fjh> however should verify signatures for correctness.
14:19:56 <fjh> did this in interop before checking into cvs
14:20:00 <tlr_> To measure whether transform chains are ok, enough to compare digest values.
14:20:04 <tlr_> Signature values will be different.
14:20:18 <fjh> ack sean
14:20:21 <tlr_> Also, I believe people cross-validated signatures, and succeeded.
14:20:33 <tlr_> DSA has a random value in it.
14:20:45 <fjh> sean same key but signature values will differ because of algorithm
14:20:50 <tlr_> sean: can't just look at the signature even though people have different keys.
14:22:24 <tlr_> ah, yes.
14:22:32 <tlr_> zakim, mute me
14:22:32 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
14:22:48 <sean> fjh: we need to compare digest values to verify if test passed or not
14:23:28 <sean> TOPIC: XML Signature Draft
14:23:46 <sean> fjh: took a pass at updating acknowledgements
14:23:57 <sean> fjh ... let me know if anyone missed
14:24:10 <sean> TOPIC: Chartering
14:24:26 <sean> fjh: thomas made an edit since last meeting
14:24:30 <fjh> Further development of XML Encryption, added algorithms:
14:24:38 <fjh> "Develop an update to the XML Encryption specification to ensure
14:24:47 <fjh> consistency with possible changes to the XML Signature specification,
14:24:56 <fjh> and to accommodate additional cryptographic algorithms as determined
14:25:03 <fjh> necessary"
14:25:21 <EdS> I looked at the potential charter and am happy with it.
14:25:34 <sean> fjh: any concerns?
14:25:56 <sean> fjh: question offline about maintenance
14:26:07 <tlr_> only the maintenance section, indeed!
14:26:14 <tlr_> q+
14:26:17 <sean> fjh: does it apply to everything or only maintenance?
14:26:22 <fjh> ack Thomas
14:26:46 <sean> TOPIC: Best Practices
14:27:02 <sean> hal: when planning to submit charter?
14:27:28 <sean> tlr: up to WG to decide
14:27:58 <sean> fjh: have we given others (externally) enough time to look at it?
14:28:06 <sean> tlr: think we have done enough
14:28:40 <sean> hal: how long does it take to start up new WG?
14:29:12 <sean> tlr: at least 2 months
14:29:34 <sean> hal: no delay after director's approval?
14:31:11 <sean> fjh: maybe we should agree to approve charter at next weeks call?
14:31:24 <tlr_> +1 to Hal
14:31:38 <sean> hal: get comments in now if you have them
14:32:29 <sean> fjh: if no concerns raised, plan on approving next week
14:34:00 <tlr_> q+ to get back to the acknowledgements briefly
14:34:19 <fjh> ack Thomas
14:34:19 <Zakim> Thomas, you wanted to get back to the acknowledgements briefly
14:34:51 <sean> tlr: looks like some of the names from the first revision were removed
14:34:58 <sean> tlr: would rather avoid that
14:35:14 <sean> tlr: add new section for 2nd edition and keep previous names
14:35:35 <tlr_> ACTION: thomas to fix acknowledgements section
14:35:35 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-139 - Fix acknowledgements section [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-01-22].
14:36:02 <sean> TOPIC: Action item review
14:36:18 <tlr> zakim, I am thomas
14:36:18 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
14:36:34 <tlr> ACTION-112?
14:36:34 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-112 -- Thomas Roessler to prepare interop report template -- due 2007-11-15 -- OPEN
14:36:34 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/112
14:36:45 <tlr> ACTION-112 closed
14:36:51 <tlr> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-112
14:36:51 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-112 Prepare interop report template closed
14:37:00 <sean> ACTION-115 still open, JCC working on it
14:37:01 <tlr> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-115
14:37:01 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-115 Review EXI with respect to correct XML Security usage closed
14:37:09 <tlr> trackbot-ng, reopen ACTION-115
14:37:09 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-115 Review EXI with respect to correct XML Security usage re-opened
14:37:11 <tlr> sorry
14:37:21 <sean> ACTION-128 closed
14:37:35 <tlr> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-128
14:37:35 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-128 Implement fix to section 3.2.5 in testcase doc closed
14:38:03 <sean> ACTION-129 closed
14:38:23 <fjh> ACTION-128 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-commits/2008Jan/0021.html 
14:38:39 <tlr> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-129
14:38:39 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-129 Rename the xpointer tests as per doc closed
14:38:47 <fjh> ACTION-129 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-commits/2008Jan/0025.htm
14:38:53 <sean> ACTION-130 closed
14:39:19 <fjh> ACTION-130 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-commits/2008Jan/0021.html
14:39:30 <sean> ACTION-131 closed
14:39:40 <fjh> ACTION-131 see see http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/#news
14:39:58 <tlr> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-130
14:39:58 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-130 Remove unused DName cases from the doc closed
14:40:02 <tlr> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-131
14:40:02 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-131 Update xmlsec public web page with pointer to wiki draft charter closed
14:40:19 <sean> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-132
14:40:19 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-132 Send message to public-xmlsec-discuss closed
14:40:28 <fjh> ACTION-132 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-discuss/2008Jan/0001.html
14:40:33 <sean> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-133
14:40:33 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-133 Respond to Magnus re DerivedKey closed
14:40:56 <fjh> ACTION-133 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-discuss/2008Jan/0000.html
14:41:42 <Zakim> -Hal_Lockhart
14:41:49 <Zakim> -rdmiller
14:41:53 <Zakim> -pdatta
14:41:56 <Zakim> -jwray
14:41:58 <Zakim> -Ed_Simon
14:42:37 <tlr> rrsagent, make log public
14:42:47 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:42:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/15-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:42:51 <tlr> zakim, list participants
14:42:51 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, Sean_Mullen, rdmiller, pdatta, jwray, Hal_Lockhart, Ed_Simon
14:42:55 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:42:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/15-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:46:14 <Zakim> -Thomas
14:46:15 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
14:46:15 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended
14:46:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, Sean_Mullen, rdmiller, pdatta, jwray, Hal_Lockhart, Ed_Simon
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