IRC log of i18nits on 2008-01-09

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07:41:22 [fsasaki]
meeting: i18n ITS WG
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chair: Yves
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scribe: Felix
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scribeNick: fsasaki
07:41:46 [YvesS]
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2008JanMar/0003.html
07:43:22 [YvesS]
Hi Felix, Happy new year too. OK
07:44:29 [YvesS]
I may be unable to get phone contact for 2 or 3 minutes at the start of the call, but I'll tell others. Talk to you soon
07:57:44 [Zakim]
I18N_TS()3:00AM has now started
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+ +22335aaaa
07:58:17 [YvesS]
zakim, 22335aaaa is YvesS
07:58:17 [Zakim]
sorry, YvesS, I do not recognize a party named '22335aaaa'
07:58:41 [YvesS]
zakim, +22335aaaa is YvesS
07:58:41 [Zakim]
+YvesS; got it
07:59:15 [YvesS]
zakim, who is here?
07:59:15 [Zakim]
On the phone I see YvesS
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On IRC I see YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, trackbot-ng
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07:59:53 [YvesS]
welcome back felix :)
07:59:58 [fsasaki]
hi :)
08:00:16 [YvesS]
ok
08:01:19 [Zakim]
+??P2
08:01:30 [Zakim]
+Felix
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08:03:33 [YvesS]
zakim, who is here?
08:03:34 [Zakim]
On the phone I see YvesS, Christian, Felix
08:03:35 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Jirka2, chriLi, fsasaki, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, trackbot-ng
08:04:38 [fsasaki]
action: Felix to change teleconf reservation back to usual schedule
08:04:38 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-53 - Change teleconf reservation back to usual schedule [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-01-16].
08:04:50 [fsasaki]
topic: action items
08:05:01 [YvesS]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/track/actions/open
08:05:14 [fsasaki]
ACTION-3 postponed
08:05:28 [fsasaki]
ACTION-11 wait for IG
08:05:35 [fsasaki]
s/IG/ITS IG/
08:06:00 [fsasaki]
ACTION-33
08:06:23 [YvesS]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2008JanMar/0007.html
08:07:19 [fsasaki]
Yves describes the mail
08:07:52 [Zakim]
+Jirka
08:08:12 [fsasaki]
present: Christian, Felix, Jirka, Yves
08:12:20 [fsasaki]
people on the call agree with the proposal in the mail, we will wait for Richard's input
08:12:58 [fsasaki]
ACTION-24 on XProc
08:13:01 [YvesS]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-comments/2008Jan/0002.html
08:13:53 [fsasaki]
close ACTION-24
08:13:53 [trackbot-ng]
ACTION-24 Look into XProc for ITS review issues closed
08:15:50 [fsasaki]
ACTION-34 Felix gives an update on the charter proposal
08:16:12 [fsasaki]
Felix: would people like to wait for IG start until WG is finished?
08:16:20 [fsasaki]
all people on the call: yes
08:16:29 [fsasaki]
close ACTION-34
08:16:29 [trackbot-ng]
ACTION-34 Felix to bring ITS charter to the team (Was: And others to think about the future of ITS) closed
08:17:26 [fsasaki]
ACTION-51 closed
08:17:32 [fsasaki]
close ACTION-51
08:17:32 [trackbot-ng]
ACTION-51 Create subsection, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007OctDec/0116.html closed
08:17:45 [fsasaki]
s/close ACTION-51/dropped ACTION-51/
08:17:50 [fsasaki]
ACTION-52
08:18:05 [fsasaki]
in draft, close ACTION-52
08:18:10 [fsasaki]
close ACTION-52
08:18:10 [trackbot-ng]
ACTION-52 Enter changes related to references in the BP document closed
08:18:40 [fsasaki]
topic: review of other specs
08:19:07 [fsasaki]
action: Felix to look into SVG print LC WDs
08:19:07 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-54 - Look into SVG print LC WDs [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-01-16].
08:19:59 [fsasaki]
action: Yves to send comments on XLIFF
08:19:59 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-55 - Send comments on XLIFF [on Yves Savourel - due 2008-01-16].
08:20:57 [fsasaki]
Yves: SRX, SMIL3, EMMA will also be taken up by IG
08:21:01 [fsasaki]
topic: ITS and HTML 5
08:21:06 [fsasaki]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2008JanMar/0004.html
08:23:43 [fsasaki]
Felix: would ITS with HTML 5 be useful?
08:24:32 [fsasaki]
Yves: yes
08:25:51 [fsasaki]
Felix: is there a need to process ITS as HTML?
08:25:54 [fsasaki]
Yves: would be useful
08:27:28 [fsasaki]
Jirka: if HTML 5 could provide s.t. like namespaces into HTML 5 syntax, ITS would be OK
08:27:48 [fsasaki]
.. not ok for my POV since it is forking XML syntax
08:28:18 [fsasaki]
.. they will probably not allow foreign markup in HTML serialization
08:29:09 [fsasaki]
.. after parsing HTML 5, you get DOM which can be processed using XPath, hard part is local markup
08:29:25 [fsasaki]
.. you could simulate ITS markup with e.g. class attributes
08:32:30 [fsasaki]
.. for HTML 5 might take some time to get it done
08:32:54 [fsasaki]
Christian: question to Felix: has i18n core commented on HTML 5?
08:32:56 [fsasaki]
Felix: yes
08:34:32 [fsasaki]
Christian: could we make HTML 5 people aware on ITS?
08:34:36 [fsasaki]
Felix: yes, question is how
08:34:45 [fsasaki]
Christian: two directions: make people aware of ITS
08:35:18 [fsasaki]
.. using e..g input from Jirka, ITS may not fit with HTML 5 way, but ITS data categories are useful
08:37:25 [fsasaki]
Yves: ITS is not only a way to apply data categories, it is also data categories themselves
08:40:03 [fsasaki]
.. we should ask HTML 5 WG about adopting i18n markup in HTML 5
08:41:42 [fsasaki]
Felix: would you ask for data categories or ITS markup?
08:42:35 [fsasaki]
Yves: would prefer ITS markup, but functionality is more important. E.g.a "translate" attribute is fine as well. class attribute is a partial answer only
08:43:18 [fsasaki]
Yves: user should drive HTML 5, does not matter if it is done with ITS, you might just mimic that
08:45:34 [fsasaki]
.. most of that functionality does not exist in HTML 5
08:46:30 [fsasaki]
action: Felix to contact HTML 5 people from W3C staff about ITS functionality in HTML 5
08:46:30 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-56 - Contact HTML 5 people from W3C staff about ITS functionality in HTML 5 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-01-16].
08:47:25 [YvesS]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html
08:47:28 [fsasaki]
topic: BP document
08:48:13 [fsasaki]
Yves: need to work on summary tables
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topic: time schedule
08:49:17 [fsasaki]
two more calls
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action: Yves to work on summary tables
08:49:54 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-57 - Work on summary tables [on Yves Savourel - due 2008-01-16].
08:51:52 [fsasaki]
Jirka: will work on PDF version
08:53:59 [fsasaki]
topic: AOB
08:54:09 [fsasaki]
discussion on upcoming publication plans
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and on ITS-2-Y publication
09:02:48 [fsasaki]
Yves: adjourned, next meeting next week, back to old time
09:06:55 [fsasaki]
change to 2 UTC
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-Christian
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-Felix
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-YvesS
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-Jirka
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I18N_TS()3:00AM has ended
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Attendees were YvesS, Felix, Christian, Jirka
09:07:23 [fsasaki]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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09:10:27 [fsasaki]
rrsagent, bye
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-i18nits-actions.rdf :
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Felix to change teleconf reservation back to usual schedule [1]
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-i18nits-irc#T08-04-38
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Felix to look into SVG print LC WDs [2]
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-i18nits-irc#T08-19-07
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Yves to send comments on XLIFF [3]
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-i18nits-irc#T08-19-59
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Felix to contact HTML 5 people from W3C staff about ITS functionality in HTML 5 [4]
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-i18nits-irc#T08-46-30
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Yves to work on summary tables [5]
09:10:27 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-i18nits-irc#T08-49-54
09:10:29 [fsasaki]
zakim, bye
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