IRC log of forms on 2008-01-09

Timestamps are in UTC.

15:11:10 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #forms
15:11:10 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc
15:11:14 [Steven]: zakim, list
15:11:14 [Zakim]: I see INC_URW3()9:30AM, SW_SWEO()10:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active and no others scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
15:14:21 [nick]: steven: 15 minutes earlier then before
15:14:30 [nick]: so in half an hour
15:14:32 [Steven]: ah, thanks
15:14:37 [Steven]: so at :45
15:14:40 [nick]: yes
15:14:42 [Steven]: thanks
15:14:45 [Steven]: time for tea then
15:42:31 [CharlieWiecha]: CharlieWiecha has joined #forms
15:43:57 [unl]: unl has joined #forms
15:44:02 [John_Boyer]: John_Boyer has joined #forms
15:44:23 [John_Boyer]: zakim, code?
15:44:23 [Zakim]: sorry, John_Boyer, I don't know what conference this is
15:44:29 [CharlieWiecha]: i think the conf dialin is not enabled for this time
15:44:37 [CharlieWiecha]: i'm getting an error calling in
15:44:38 [nick]: nick has joined #forms
15:44:40 [John_Boyer]: zakim, this will be forms
15:44:40 [Zakim]: ok, John_Boyer; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
15:44:44 [John_Boyer]: zakim, code
15:44:44 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'code', John_Boyer
15:44:44 [nick]: zakim, code?
15:44:45 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
15:44:51 [Steven]: zakim, list
15:44:51 [Zakim]: I see INC_URW3()9:30AM, Team_(comm-wicd)15:37Z active
15:44:52 [wellsk]: wellsk has joined #forms
15:44:53 [Zakim]: also scheduled at this time are Team_W3M()8:00AM, SW_SWEO()10:00AM
15:45:08 [Steven]: 10Zakim: 01ok, John_Boyer; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
15:45:11 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make log public
15:45:39 [unl]: can't get in, too
15:45:56 [Steven]: another 15 mins apparently
15:46:00 [CharlieWiecha]: we'll probably have to wait until 11, yup
15:46:17 [klotz]: klotz has joined #forms
15:46:23 [nick]: hmm I can not enter the forms call
15:46:36 [wellsk]: me neither
15:46:36 [CharlieWiecha]: this also raises good question about our "virtual day"...getting phone access
15:46:39 [nick]: this passcode is restricted
15:47:39 [unl]: steven, are you able to fix this?
15:47:47 [Steven]: not at this short notice
15:47:50 [John_Boyer]: I am talking to a W3C operator now
15:48:21 [John_Boyer]: operator says he can fix it now
15:48:28 [Steven]: cool
15:48:31 [Steven]: who was that?
15:48:36 [Rafael]: Rafael has joined #forms
15:48:41 [John_Boyer]: asks that team contact sends an email to close the loop, so to speak
15:48:48 [Steven]: oh, ok
15:48:50 [John_Boyer]: Name is Josh
15:48:53 [Steven]: who was it?
15:48:57 [Steven]: Ah OK
15:49:01 [Rafael]: zakim, code?
15:49:01 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Rafael
15:49:31 [Steven]: zakim, dial steven-617
15:49:31 [Zakim]: ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:49:34 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
15:49:40 [Zakim]: +Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse
15:49:46 [Zakim]: + +1.919.254.aaaa
15:49:54 [Steven]: zakim, drop steven
15:49:54 [Zakim]: sorry, Steven, I do not see a party named 'steven'
15:50:00 [Steven]: zakim, dial steven-617
15:50:01 [Zakim]: ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:50:02 [Zakim]: +Steven
15:50:05 [unl]: zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
15:50:05 [Zakim]: +unl; got it
15:50:11 [Zakim]: +Rafa
15:50:19 [Zakim]: +??P6
15:50:20 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
15:50:24 [Steven]: zakim, who is noisy?
15:50:27 [CharlieWiecha]: zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
15:50:28 [Zakim]: +Charlie; got it
15:50:29 [unl]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:50:33 [Zakim]: +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:50:35 [Zakim]: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.919.254.aaaa (70%)
15:50:44 [wellsk]: oops
15:50:45 [Zakim]: unl, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.919.254.aaaa (78%), Steven (17%)
15:50:48 [Zakim]: +Leigh_Klotz
15:50:57 [Steven]: zakim, mute aaaa
15:50:57 [Zakim]: +1.919.254.aaaa should now be muted
15:51:04 [Steven]: that did it
15:51:05 [wellsk]: zakim, aaaa is wellsk
15:51:05 [Zakim]: +wellsk; got it
15:51:16 [John_Boyer]: zakim, who is here?
15:51:16 [Zakim]: On the phone I see unl, wellsk (muted), Steven, Rafa, ??P6, Charlie, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Leigh_Klotz
15:51:17 [wellsk]: zakim, mute me
15:51:19 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Rafael, klotz, wellsk, nick, John_Boyer, unl, CharlieWiecha, RRSAgent, Zakim, markbirbeck, Steven, ebruchez, trackbot-ng
15:51:21 [Zakim]: wellsk was already muted, wellsk
15:51:22 [Steven]: Nice drumming wellsk
15:51:23 [Rafael]: Regrets from Roger, still on vacation
15:51:28 [John_Boyer]: zakim, I am ??P6
15:51:28 [Zakim]: +John_Boyer; got it
15:51:33 [nick]: zakm, mute me
15:51:35 [klotz]: Nice barking, Steven
15:51:35 [CharlieWiecha]: zakim, Charlie is CharlieWiecha
15:51:35 [Zakim]: +CharlieWiecha; got it
15:51:39 [John_Boyer]: Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
15:51:42 [Steven]: lol
15:51:49 [John_Boyer]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0008.html
15:52:09 [John_Boyer]: John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0008.html
15:52:18 [John_Boyer]: Chair: John
15:52:21 [John_Boyer]: Scribe: Leigh
15:53:06 [John_Boyer]: Regrets: Erik, Joern, Roger
15:55:52 [John_Boyer]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0008.html
15:55:59 [unl]: zakim, mute me
15:55:59 [Zakim]: unl should now be muted
15:56:23 [wellsk]: zakim, unmute me
15:56:23 [Zakim]: wellsk should no longer be muted
15:58:31 [nick]: I'(l be traveling to the states on saterday
15:58:45 [nick]: ack me
16:02:15 [wellsk]: zakim, mute me
16:02:15 [Zakim]: wellsk should now be muted
16:03:37 [unl]: what about hotel reservation?
16:03:55 [nick]: who is comming?
16:04:01 [wellsk]: Yep -- will do
16:04:35 [markbirbeck]: zakim, code?
16:04:35 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:04:45 [wellsk]: Keith will take that action
16:04:54 [klotz]: ACTION: Steven Pemberton to prepare questionnaire for next F2F.
16:04:54 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-441 - Pemberton to prepare questionnaire for next F2F. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-01-16].
16:05:10 [Zakim]: + +020876aabb
16:05:19 [markbirbeck]: zakim, i am aaaa
16:05:22 [Zakim]: sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'aaaa'
16:05:24 [klotz]: ACTION: Keith Wells to produce F2F info page in wiki based on previous F2F page.
16:05:24 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-442 - Wells to produce F2F info page in wiki based on previous F2F page. [on Keith Wells - due 2008-01-16].
16:05:32 [markbirbeck]: zakim, i am aabb
16:05:39 [Zakim]: +markbirbeck; got it
16:05:45 [nick]: zakim, mute me
16:05:47 [Zakim]: Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:06:01 [Steven]: Keith, here is the FtF page: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FaceToFace
16:06:08 [wellsk]: thanks
16:06:38 [nick]: this is the info of the previous meeting in Raleigh : http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2005/09/f2f/
16:08:45 [Steven]: Keith, here is a wiki template: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FtF_2007_09
16:08:55 [wellsk]: great
16:12:07 [John_Boyer]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0085.html
16:19:18 [Zakim]: -Rafa
16:20:26 [Zakim]: +Rafa
16:20:35 [klotz]: RESOLUTION: For the card type, set length restriction of min=2, no max. Insert example of Canadian social insurance number
16:21:24 [klotz]: ACTION: John Boyer to perform spec edits and schema edits for card type change and example.
16:21:24 [trackbot-ng]: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:21:24 [trackbot-ng]: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:24:23 [klotz]: Is it this? http://www.w3.org/TR/its/
16:26:45 [CharlieWiecha]: * back in 5
16:29:13 [klotz]: ACTION: Leigh Klotz to read http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ and contact Felix Sasaki to discuss XForms.
16:29:13 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-443 - Klotz to read http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ and contact Felix Sasaki to discuss XForms. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2008-01-16].
16:30:37 [Steven]: They have numeric attributes of name 'id' but we don't know that they are of type ID
16:37:31 [Steven]: http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions
16:39:24 [klotz]: ACTION: Steven Pemberton and John Boyer to continue discussing shortnames for recommendations and drafts.
16:39:24 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-444 - Pemberton and John Boyer to continue discussing shortnames for recommendations and drafts. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-01-16].
16:39:47 [John_Boyer]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0041.html
16:40:01 [John_Boyer]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0042.html
16:40:16 [Steven]: zakim, is uli here?
16:40:20 [Zakim]: Steven, I do not see Uli anywhere
16:48:58 [unl]: unl has joined #forms
16:52:01 [nick]: I don't think the events will go to the action
16:52:28 [unl]: zakim, unmute me
16:52:28 [Zakim]: unl should no longer be muted
16:57:25 [Steven]: unl wants to speak?
16:57:41 [Steven]: q+unl
16:58:07 [nick]: allowing submission attributes on the send is the same as allowing readonly on input
16:58:45 [Steven]: ack unl
16:59:15 [nick]: (and other mips on controls)
16:59:47 [nick]: zakim, unmute me
16:59:58 [Zakim]: Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
17:07:54 [klotz]: ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken and Mark Birbeck to write up submission, submit, and send attributes and child nesting.
17:07:54 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-445 - Van den Bleeken and Mark Birbeck to write up submission, submit, and send attributes and child nesting. [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2008-01-16].
17:08:37 [nick]: zakim, mute me
17:08:37 [Zakim]: Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
17:10:21 [nick]: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/
17:10:27 [John_Boyer]: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms-issues/
17:10:57 [klotz]: ACTION: Uli Lissé to collect deferred last call issues from http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms-issues/ and put them into the Future Features area of the Wiki.
17:10:57 [trackbot-ng]: Sorry, couldn't find user - Uli
17:12:23 [klotz]: s/uli/unl/
17:13:32 [unl]: zakim, mute me
17:13:32 [Zakim]: unl should now be muted
17:15:14 [nick]: I'm not sure we need instance outside the model, but if the model isn't there you have an implicit instance and when you add a model you could specify if there is an implicit instance, so the first instance isn't the default but the implicit one
17:15:56 [nick]: zakim, unmute me
17:15:56 [Zakim]: Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
17:18:52 [Zakim]: -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
17:18:53 [Zakim]: -Steven
17:18:54 [Zakim]: -wellsk
17:18:55 [Zakim]: -markbirbeck
17:18:57 [Zakim]: -CharlieWiecha
17:18:58 [Zakim]: -Rafa
17:18:59 [CharlieWiecha]: CharlieWiecha has left #forms
17:18:59 [Zakim]: -unl
17:19:00 [Zakim]: -Leigh_Klotz
17:19:01 [Zakim]: -John_Boyer
17:19:02 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
17:19:03 [wellsk]: wellsk has left #forms
17:19:04 [Zakim]: Attendees were +1.919.254.aaaa, Steven, unl, Rafa, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Leigh_Klotz, wellsk, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, +020876aabb, markbirbeck
17:19:14 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make minutes
17:19:14 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
17:19:18 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, bye
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-actions.rdf :
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Steven Pemberton to prepare questionnaire for next F2F. [1]
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-04-54
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Keith Wells to produce F2F info page in wiki based on previous F2F page. [2]
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-05-24
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: John Boyer to perform spec edits and schema edits for card type change and example. [3]
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-21-24
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Leigh Klotz to read http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ and contact Felix Sasaki to discuss XForms. [4]
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-29-13
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Steven Pemberton and John Boyer to continue discussing shortnames for recommendations and drafts. [5]
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-39-24
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken and Mark Birbeck to write up submission, submit, and send attributes and child nesting. [6]
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T17-07-54
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Uli Lissé to collect deferred last call issues from http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms-issues/ and put them into the Future Features area of the Wiki. [7]
17:19:18 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T17-10-57