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<sandro> PRESENT: Brand_Niemann, Cory_Casanave, Daniel_Bennett, Ed_Summers, John_Sheridan, Rachel_Flagg, Sandro_Hawke, Chris_Beer, Ken_Fischer
<sandro> Chair: sandro
12:57:55 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-egov-irc ←
12:58:03 <sandro> rrsagent, make logs public
Sandro Hawke: rrsagent, make logs public ←
12:58:12 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov ←
12:58:12 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←
12:59:07 <sandro> Good morning, Daniel. The bridge and IRC channel are all set up.
Sandro Hawke: Good morning, Daniel. The bridge and IRC channel are all set up. ←
12:59:09 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has now started ←
12:59:16 <Zakim> + +1.202.449.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.449.aaaa ←
12:59:45 <Daniel_Bennett> aaaa is Daniel Bennett
Daniel Bennett: aaaa is Daniel Bennett ←
13:03:27 <Daniel_Bennett> wondering if 8am is that sweet spot of commuting time on East Coast US, sleepy time on West Coast US, and commute or busy time in Europe, and just all around inconvenient time.
Daniel Bennett: wondering if 8am is that sweet spot of commuting time on East Coast US, sleepy time on West Coast US, and commute or busy time in Europe, and just all around inconvenient time. ←
13:05:15 <sandro> Could be. It was the best time on the survey, but not a lot of people answered the servey.
Sandro Hawke: Could be. It was the best time on the survey, but not a lot of people answered the servey. ←
13:05:49 <sandro> And the meeting announcement might not have made the strongest Be There! statement. :-)
Sandro Hawke: And the meeting announcement might not have made the strongest Be There! statement. :-) ←
13:06:01 <Zakim> + +1.202.236.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.236.aabb ←
13:06:06 <Daniel_Bennett> good point. need better marketing
Daniel Bennett: good point. need better marketing ←
13:06:28 <Daniel_Bennett> who is aabb?
Daniel Bennett: who is aabb? ←
13:06:50 <sandro> whoever is on the phone with you.....
Sandro Hawke: whoever is on the phone with you..... ←
13:06:58 <Daniel_Bennett> cant hear them
Daniel Bennett: cant hear them ←
13:07:08 <sandro> Ah. Strange.
Sandro Hawke: Ah. Strange. ←
13:07:47 <Daniel_Bennett> hi brand nieman
Daniel Bennett: hi brand nieman ←
13:08:21 <Daniel_Bennett> brand is aabb
Daniel Bennett: brand is aabb ←
13:08:34 <sandro> zakim, aabb is brand
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aabb is brand ←
13:08:34 <Zakim> +brand; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +brand; got it ←
13:10:02 <Daniel_Bennett> Chris are you there?
Daniel Bennett: Chris are you there? ←
13:13:04 <Zakim> -brand
Zakim IRC Bot: -brand ←
13:13:38 <Zakim> +brand
Zakim IRC Bot: +brand ←
13:19:35 <Daniel_Bennett> Agenda Introductions (5 min) Discussion of Scope and Interests of Participants(10 min) Discussion of Statement of Work for this Project (10) Identifying Resources and Project Management for this Project (10) Work on First Project Step (15 min)
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Daniel Bennett: Agenda Introductions (5 min) Discussion of Scope and Interests of Participants(10 min) Discussion of Statement of Work for this Project (10) Identifying Resources and Project Management for this Project (10) Work on First Project Step (15 min) ←
13:19:50 <Daniel_Bennett> Agenda #1
Daniel Bennett: Agenda #1 ←
13:20:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: hi
Brand Niemann: hi [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
13:20:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel:hi
Daniel Bennett: hi [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
13:20:53 <Daniel_Bennett> agenda #2
Daniel Bennett: agenda #2 ←
13:27:09 <Daniel_Bennett> per an email adding license rights
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Daniel Bennett: per an email adding license rights ←
13:27:30 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: suggest we use an information model - data model
Brand Niemann: suggest we use an information model - data model [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
13:28:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: info model includes topic and sub-topic and the data model includes data table and data elements
Brand Niemann: info model includes topic and sub-topic and the data model includes data table and data elements [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
13:28:24 <Daniel_Bennett> agenda #2
Daniel Bennett: agenda #2 ←
13:28:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: for data also consider metadata
Brand Niemann: for data also consider metadata [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
13:30:42 <brand> http://federaldata.wik.is/Statistical_Abstract_of_the_United_States:_2009
Brand Niemann: http://federaldata.wik.is/Statistical_Abstract_of_the_United_States:_2009 ←
13:31:43 <Daniel_Bennett> hello
Daniel Bennett: hello ←
13:34:21 <brand> test
Brand Niemann: test ←
13:42:22 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: use Statistical Abstract for metadata tagging
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Brand Niemann: use Statistical Abstract for metadata tagging [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ] ←
13:45:50 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
13:45:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.449.aaaa, brand
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.202.449.aaaa, brand ←
13:47:19 <edsu> sandro: is Zakim all set up for scribing? i guess we are using CommonScribe eh? http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/
Sandro Hawke: is Zakim all set up for scribing? i guess we are using CommonScribe eh? http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/ [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←
13:47:29 <sandro> Yep.
Sandro Hawke: Yep. ←
13:48:17 <Chris> Hey all - I'm here. Not sure how long.
Chris Beer: Hey all - I'm here. Not sure how long. ←
13:48:18 <sandro> for the scribe, you can treat it the same as scribe.perl.
Sandro Hawke: for the scribe, you can treat it the same as scribe.perl. ←
13:48:43 <sandro> Chris, will you be able to call in during the meeting, or only be here on IRC?
Sandro Hawke: Chris, will you be able to call in during the meeting, or only be here on IRC? ←
13:48:57 <Chris> only IRC tonight
Chris Beer: only IRC tonight ←
13:49:46 <Chris> (annoying yes, but if I have to call in, I'll keep it to the Web Tech call)
Chris Beer: (annoying yes, but if I have to call in, I'll keep it to the Web Tech call) ←
13:50:48 <Zakim> - +1.202.449.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.202.449.aaaa ←
13:50:50 <Zakim> -brand
Zakim IRC Bot: -brand ←
13:50:50 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended ←
13:50:52 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.202.449.aaaa, +1.202.236.aabb, brand
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.202.449.aaaa, +1.202.236.aabb, brand ←
13:51:03 <Daniel_Bennett> finished the DataMgmt meeting
Daniel Bennett: finished the DataMgmt meeting ←
13:51:58 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov ←
13:51:58 <Zakim> "egov" matches T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM, and T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: "egov" matches T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM, and T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, sandro ←
13:52:03 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov()
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov() ←
13:52:03 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←
13:55:28 <edsu> brb
Ed Summers: brb ←
13:59:22 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started ←
13:59:27 <Zakim> +[LC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC] ←
13:59:29 <Zakim> + +1.703.994.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.703.994.aaaa ←
13:59:36 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
Ed Summers: Zakim, LC is edsu ←
13:59:36 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +edsu; got it ←
14:00:43 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:00:51 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.464.aabb ←
14:01:20 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Ken
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is Ken ←
14:01:20 <Zakim> +Ken; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ken; got it ←
14:01:26 <sandro> zakim, aabb is Rachel
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aabb is Rachel ←
14:01:26 <Zakim> +Rachel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rachel; got it ←
14:01:39 <Zakim> +Cory
Zakim IRC Bot: +Cory ←
14:02:06 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0080.html
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0080.html ←
14:03:05 <sandro> scribe: edsu
(Scribe set to Ed Summers)
14:05:13 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
14:05:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ken, edsu, Sandro, Rachel, Cory
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ken, edsu, Sandro, Rachel, Cory ←
14:05:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rachel, Cory, edsu, Daniel_Bennett, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chris, mhausenblas, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Rachel, Cory, edsu, Daniel_Bennett, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chris, mhausenblas, trackbot, sandro ←
14:07:15 <edsu> Topic: Administration
14:07:40 <edsu> sandro: next meeting in two weeks, any scribe volunteers?
Sandro Hawke: next meeting in two weeks, any scribe volunteers? ←
14:07:58 <edsu> Cory: i can do that one
Cory Casanave: i can do that one ←
14:08:00 <sandro> next scribe: Cory
Sandro Hawke: next scribe: Cory ←
14:08:24 <edsu> Topic: Action Item Review
14:08:39 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
14:08:57 <sandro> zakim, ??P21 is John
Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P21 is John ←
14:08:57 <Zakim> +John; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +John; got it ←
14:09:07 <sandro> action-98?
14:09:07 <trackbot> ACTION-98 -- Cory Casanave to ask sandro re lobbying efforts (F2F, etc.) within W3C -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-98 -- Cory Casanave to ask sandro re lobbying efforts (F2F, etc.) within W3C -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN ←
14:09:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/98
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/98 ←
14:10:08 <edsu> Cory: one of the suggestions was to have more face-to-face lobbying efforts, more of an action item for thursday
Cory Casanave: one of the suggestions was to have more face-to-face lobbying efforts, more of an action item for thursday ←
14:10:11 <sandro> action-99?
14:10:11 <trackbot> ACTION-99 -- Cory Casanave to propose a mission statement for our project -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-99 -- Cory Casanave to propose a mission statement for our project -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN ←
14:10:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/99
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/99 ←
14:10:28 <edsu> sandro: i guess that's a thursday thing
Sandro Hawke: i guess that's a thursday thing ←
14:10:47 <edsu> sandro: will make sure there's a way to mark actions for subgroups
Sandro Hawke: will make sure there's a way to mark actions for subgroups ←
14:10:59 <edsu> Topic: General Announcements, News
14:11:14 <edsu> Cory: been pretty quiet the last week
Cory Casanave: been pretty quiet the last week ←
14:11:17 <johnlsheridan> q+
John Sheridan: q+ ←
14:11:24 <sandro> ack johnlsheridan
Sandro Hawke: ack johnlsheridan ←
14:11:46 <edsu> johnlsheridan: i went to an event by the danish gov't on open data
John Sheridan: i went to an event by the danish gov't on open data ←
14:12:33 <edsu> ... probably about 150 people there. There was a guy from ActionAmerica in the US. Audience was a mixture of officials and open data entrepeneurs ; interesting to see the agenda played through another nation state
... probably about 150 people there. There was a guy from ActionAmerica in the US. Audience was a mixture of officials and open data entrepeneurs ; interesting to see the agenda played through another nation state ←
14:13:09 <sandro> johnlsheridan: mixture of US-style innovation/apps, alongside offical long-term stuff
John Sheridan: mixture of US-style innovation/apps, alongside offical long-term stuff [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:13:40 <edsu> ... lots of demonstrations, rapid innovation alongside longer-term strategic thinkng. Interesting to see the same dynamic as in the UK: web2.0 and reference data
... lots of demonstrations, rapid innovation alongside longer-term strategic thinkng. Interesting to see the same dynamic as in the UK: web2.0 and reference data ←
14:13:47 <sandro> johnlsheridan: In Denmark, same conversation I'm used to, with Web2.0 meets Official Reference/Mandate stuff.
John Sheridan: In Denmark, same conversation I'm used to, with Web2.0 meets Official Reference/Mandate stuff. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:14:23 <edsu> johnlsheridan: we've got a linked data meetup in london on the 24th. we're going to be talking about work we've been doing at data.gov.uk
John Sheridan: we've got a linked data meetup in london on the 24th. we're going to be talking about work we've been doing at data.gov.uk ←
14:15:09 <sandro> johnlsheridan: "get real" : be practical in approaches, overcoming perceived complexity barriers.
John Sheridan: "get real" : be practical in approaches, overcoming perceived complexity barriers. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:15:13 <edsu> one thing i'm going to be saying is the 'get real' message, how to we overcome the perceived and actual complexity of moving to a linked data paradigm, and how the community can help us do that
one thing i'm going to be saying is the 'get real' message, how to we overcome the perceived and actual complexity of moving to a linked data paradigm, and how the community can help us do that ←
14:15:28 <edsu> ... about 170 people have signed up
... about 170 people have signed up ←
14:15:35 <edsu> johnlsheridan++
johnlsheridan++ ←
14:15:54 <edsu> Topic: Project Group Checkin
<sandro> Subtopic: LD Outreach
14:16:21 <edsu> Cory: we just had our initial get-together for project 1 & 2 joint meeting
Cory Casanave: we just had our initial get-together for project 1 & 2 joint meeting ←
14:16:56 <Cory> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Linked_Data
Cory Casanave: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Linked_Data ←
14:17:02 <Zakim> + +1.202.449.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.449.aacc ←
14:17:12 <Chris> How many on the call?
Chris Beer: How many on the call? ←
14:17:16 <edsu> ... a lot of the discussion was about setting our charter
... a lot of the discussion was about setting our charter ←
14:17:17 <Daniel_Bennett> aacc is Daniel Bennett
Daniel Bennett: aacc is Daniel Bennett ←
14:17:30 <Cory> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Outreach_Project
Cory Casanave: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Outreach_Project ←
14:17:32 <edsu> ... there is an outreach project page where we have a charter
... there is an outreach project page where we have a charter ←
14:17:56 <edsu> ... we're going to try to get some of the web-apps together
... we're going to try to get some of the web-apps together ←
14:18:24 <edsu> ... outreach resonated with people, we were thinking we might organize things under that
... outreach resonated with people, we were thinking we might organize things under that ←
14:18:38 <edsu> ... hope we can get the larger group working on the assets
... hope we can get the larger group working on the assets ←
14:18:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel
Daniel Bennett: Daniel ←
14:18:52 <sandro> zakim, aacc is Daniel_Bennett
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aacc is Daniel_Bennett ←
14:18:52 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett; got it ←
<sandro> Subtopic: LD Demo
14:19:12 <edsu> sandro: on the third project, george is travling, and corey is going to summarize
Sandro Hawke: on the third project, george is travling, and corey is going to summarize ←
14:19:55 <edsu> Cory: we didn't talk as much about the focus of the demo, but we did have a great tour of the RPI open egov data project
Cory Casanave: we didn't talk as much about the focus of the demo, but we did have a great tour of the RPI open egov data project ←
14:19:58 <Cory> http://tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Linking_Open_Data
Cory Casanave: http://tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Linking_Open_Data ←
14:20:11 <sandro> and http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demos
Sandro Hawke: and http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demos ←
14:20:17 <Daniel_Bennett> oh no, the coppers are coming
Daniel Bennett: oh no, the coppers are coming ←
14:20:19 <sandro> zakim, who is making noise?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is making noise? ←
14:20:29 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (25%), Cory (45%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (25%), Cory (45%) ←
14:20:37 <johnlsheridan> It was me!
John Sheridan: It was me! ←
14:20:39 <johnlsheridan> Sorry
John Sheridan: Sorry ←
14:21:04 <edsu> Cory: they already have gov't demos in place, so we were talking about linking across these demos
Cory Casanave: they already have gov't demos in place, so we were talking about linking across these demos ←
14:21:26 <edsu> Cory: i encourage you to take a look at some of the demos on the tetherless world website ; the hope being we could integrate with that
Cory Casanave: i encourage you to take a look at some of the demos on the tetherless world website ; the hope being we could integrate with that ←
14:21:44 <sandro> Chris: quick report?
Chris Beer: quick report? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:21:47 <edsu> sandro: chris is on irc for the next group
Sandro Hawke: chris is on irc for the next group ←
<sandro> Subtopic: Web Tech
14:28:59 <Chris> Quick report from my end:
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Chris Beer: Quick report from my end: ←
14:29:29 <Chris> We've got our project page set up. Been adding resources to both that page and Social Media as well.
Chris Beer: We've got our project page set up. Been adding resources to both that page and Social Media as well. ←
14:29:55 <edsu> sandro: Brian sent his regrets btw, the plan is to put together a list of the top-10 best practices for social media
Sandro Hawke: Brian sent his regrets btw, the plan is to put together a list of the top-10 best practices for social media ←
14:30:32 <Chris> Going to have some initial issues will handling call until I get VoIP properly set up. Apparently call planned for today (2 1/2 hours time) - ....(more)
Chris Beer: Going to have some initial issues will handling call until I get VoIP properly set up. Apparently call planned for today (2 1/2 hours time) - ....(more) ←
<sandro> Subtopic: Data Management
14:22:09 <edsu> sandro: lets talk about data management group
Sandro Hawke: lets talk about data management group ←
14:22:28 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: i posted up the agenda for the first meeting
Daniel Bennett: i posted up the agenda for the first meeting ←
14:22:35 <edsu> ... on the wiki
... on the wiki ←
14:23:17 <edsu> ... brand and joe were happy w/ it ; both are working on the metadata portion of it ; how to help governments include metadata for their documents ; that's something that brand will help w/ best practices
... brand and joe were happy w/ it ; both are working on the metadata portion of it ; how to help governments include metadata for their documents ; that's something that brand will help w/ best practices ←
14:23:42 <edsu> ... 8 am is a tough time to get people on the west coast of the US
... 8 am is a tough time to get people on the west coast of the US ←
14:24:04 <edsu> ... does anyone on the call have problem with an 8AM EST time?
... does anyone on the call have problem with an 8AM EST time? ←
14:24:20 <edsu> sandro: might make sense to a doodle poll?
Sandro Hawke: might make sense to a doodle poll? ←
14:24:40 <edsu> ... hard to tell who is interested in these calls, only 5 responses to the poll about meeting times
... hard to tell who is interested in these calls, only 5 responses to the poll about meeting times ←
14:24:54 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: maybe i can do a separate poll, and have them pick times they can attend
Daniel Bennett: maybe i can do a separate poll, and have them pick times they can attend ←
14:25:00 <edsu> sandro: yeah, that makes sense
Sandro Hawke: yeah, that makes sense ←
14:25:37 <Chris> sorry - was looking up Skype :)
Chris Beer: sorry - was looking up Skype :) ←
14:26:12 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: if you want to make a comment on your blog we can aggregate those, or you can contribute to the wiki
Daniel Bennett: if you want to make a comment on your blog we can aggregate those, or you can contribute to the wiki ←
14:26:36 <edsu> ... i think some people have forgotten how to login, sandro can you send out something summarizing how people can use the wiki
... i think some people have forgotten how to login, sandro can you send out something summarizing how people can use the wiki ←
14:26:54 <edsu> sandro: can you send me an email detailing what i need to say?
Sandro Hawke: can you send me an email detailing what i need to say? ←
14:26:56 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: sure
Daniel Bennett: sure ←
14:27:17 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: i can put up the notes
Daniel Bennett: i can put up the notes ←
14:27:26 <edsu> sandro: i already put up the notes from this morning
Sandro Hawke: i already put up the notes from this morning ←
14:27:34 <Chris> q+
Chris Beer: q+ ←
14:27:39 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects ←
14:27:53 <edsu> sandro: i've been linking the notes from the meetings column
Sandro Hawke: i've been linking the notes from the meetings column ←
14:28:06 <edsu> ... if you want to update those that's fine
... if you want to update those that's fine ←
14:28:09 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: that's great
Daniel Bennett: that's great ←
<sandro> Subtopic: Organizational Issues
14:30:33 <edsu> sandro: any other thoughts on the projects? they seem to be starting smaller, hopefully we'll have an atmosphere where people are welcome to join later when they something useful/interesting
Sandro Hawke: any other thoughts on the projects? they seem to be starting smaller, hopefully we'll have an atmosphere where people are welcome to join later when they something useful/interesting ←
14:31:07 <Chris> Could either delay till around early March - give SM and DM a chance to get rolling (that way can avoid doubling on overlapping work)
Chris Beer: Could either delay till around early March - give SM and DM a chance to get rolling (that way can avoid doubling on overlapping work) ←
14:31:28 <Chris> or with a volunteer, could kick it off today - initial is only going to be as others - planning rough direction.
Chris Beer: or with a volunteer, could kick it off today - initial is only going to be as others - planning rough direction. ←
14:31:29 <edsu> sandro: we had almost 30 people indicate interest in the linkeddata, but not all of them showing up on the calls, trying to brainstorm about ideas to bring them in
Sandro Hawke: we had almost 30 people indicate interest in the linkeddata, but not all of them showing up on the calls, trying to brainstorm about ideas to bring them in ←
14:31:52 <edsu> Cory: i had some trouble w/ invites -- i only saw one invite
Cory Casanave: i had some trouble w/ invites -- i only saw one invite ←
14:31:55 <Chris> Will have a dedicated discussion forum set up on my personal site by end of week.
Chris Beer: Will have a dedicated discussion forum set up on my personal site by end of week. ←
14:32:26 <edsu> sandro: people are being sort of ad hoc in the invitations
Sandro Hawke: people are being sort of ad hoc in the invitations ←
14:32:30 <Chris> Hopefully planning most work on discussion forum, Telecons to vote/move on results from forum, wiki to publish output.
Chris Beer: Hopefully planning most work on discussion forum, Telecons to vote/move on results from forum, wiki to publish output. ←
14:32:57 <Rachel> Can you (Sandro) send out ONE email w/a schedule of the meetings for the six groups?
Rachel Flagg: Can you (Sandro) send out ONE email w/a schedule of the meetings for the six groups? ←
14:33:13 <Rachel> Include instructions on how to participae?
Rachel Flagg: Include instructions on how to participae? ←
14:33:48 <Rachel> No agendas necessary....just a reminder of who's meeting and when
Rachel Flagg: No agendas necessary....just a reminder of who's meeting and when ←
14:34:01 <Rachel> so people can get the meetings on their calendars
Rachel Flagg: so people can get the meetings on their calendars ←
14:34:04 <sandro> action: sandro send weekly meeting reminders
ACTION: sandro send weekly meeting reminders ←
14:34:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Send weekly meeting reminders [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-02-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-102 - Send weekly meeting reminders [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-02-24]. ←
14:34:20 <edsu> sandro: maybe send out Monday morning?
Sandro Hawke: maybe send out Monday morning? ←
14:34:45 <Chris> Would other projects like a discussion forum made for them as well btw? It would keep the wiki discussion pages a little cleaner
Chris Beer: Would other projects like a discussion forum made for them as well btw? It would keep the wiki discussion pages a little cleaner ←
14:34:51 <edsu> Rachel: it sounds like not everybody knows what's happening when, some people expect different degrees of interest ... if you let people know who's meeting when they can drop in easier
Rachel Flagg: it sounds like not everybody knows what's happening when, some people expect different degrees of interest ... if you let people know who's meeting when they can drop in easier ←
14:35:29 <edsu> sandro: on monday i'll send out a list of projects that are meeting that week
Sandro Hawke: on monday i'll send out a list of projects that are meeting that week ←
14:35:38 <edsu> Rachel: could just send out once
Rachel Flagg: could just send out once ←
14:35:42 <edsu> Cory: people need reminders
Cory Casanave: people need reminders ←
14:35:44 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects ←
14:35:47 <Chris> +1 Cory
Chris Beer: +1 Cory ←
14:36:01 <edsu> Chris: kinda like the meetup reminders
Chris Beer: kinda like the meetup reminders ←
14:36:06 <edsu> s/Chris/sandro/
s/Chris/sandro/ ←
14:36:21 <edsu> sandro: coordinator can reply or expand on it as necessary
Sandro Hawke: coordinator can reply or expand on it as necessary ←
14:36:26 <edsu> Rachel: thanks
Rachel Flagg: thanks ←
14:36:50 <edsu> sandro: next is john w/ provenance
Sandro Hawke: next is john w/ provenance ←
14:36:56 <sandro> topic: Provenance and eGov
14:37:16 <edsu> johnlsheridan: their last call on friday was abot provenance and gov't data
John Sheridan: their last call on friday was abot provenance and gov't data ←
14:37:32 <edsu> ... i spoke about requirements we have in the uk ... for provenance and linked data
... i spoke about requirements we have in the uk ... for provenance and linked data ←
14:37:55 <edsu> ... the provenance community that's there is very energized by government data publishing
... the provenance community that's there is very energized by government data publishing ←
14:38:04 <Chris> @ John - any links to requirements in writing you can give??
Chris Beer: @ John - any links to requirements in writing you can give?? ←
14:38:08 <edsu> ... was some discussion about whether gov't has different requirements
... was some discussion about whether gov't has different requirements ←
14:38:41 <Chris> (or do you mean requirements as in not actual mandatory requirements)
Chris Beer: (or do you mean requirements as in not actual mandatory requirements) ←
14:38:41 <edsu> ... important for high quality statistics
... important for high quality statistics ←
14:39:08 <edsu> ... we talked about use cases, provenance vocabulary, open provenance model in gov't context
... we talked about use cases, provenance vocabulary, open provenance model in gov't context ←
14:39:19 <Cory> Short agenda request: Any comments on the proposal to combine LDSTRAT & LDTECH projects?
Cory Casanave: Short agenda request: Any comments on the proposal to combine LDSTRAT & LDTECH projects? ←
14:39:25 <edsu> ... we looked at them, but found them a bit difficult to figure out how best to apply them
... we looked at them, but found them a bit difficult to figure out how best to apply them ←
14:40:13 <edsu> ... a great conversation w/ the w3c provenance incubator group ... strong interest in the work we're doing
... a great conversation w/ the w3c provenance incubator group ... strong interest in the work we're doing ←
14:40:41 <edsu> ... i will be going back in a couple months to talk about our experience, need to think about how we bubble up that conversation here
... i will be going back in a couple months to talk about our experience, need to think about how we bubble up that conversation here ←
14:41:05 <edsu> Cory: were they working with any particular solutions
Cory Casanave: were they working with any particular solutions ←
14:41:32 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
14:41:33 <edsu> johnlsheridan: focus was on use cases ; some of the participants have done prior work (some for 10 years)
John Sheridan: focus was on use cases ; some of the participants have done prior work (some for 10 years) ←
14:41:50 <edsu> ... for us i think we need to think of gov't provenance use cases to feed into that group
... for us i think we need to think of gov't provenance use cases to feed into that group ←
14:42:37 <edsu> ... how important is it to reflect w/ gov't data the remit/function of an organization with the data ; from an archival perspective this is something that happens
... how important is it to reflect w/ gov't data the remit/function of an organization with the data ; from an archival perspective this is something that happens ←
14:43:31 <edsu> ... as we are publishing linkeddata, and converting data we need to use the provenance vocabulary to point at the original data, and the algorithms that were used to transform
... as we are publishing linkeddata, and converting data we need to use the provenance vocabulary to point at the original data, and the algorithms that were used to transform ←
14:43:39 <edsu> ... this is something that the provenance vocabulary can do
... this is something that the provenance vocabulary can do ←
14:44:19 <edsu> ... we're looking at the Open Provenance Model specifically
... we're looking at the Open Provenance Model specifically ←
14:44:36 <edsu> sandro: how much of the group is thinking in terms of linked data versus some other format?
Sandro Hawke: how much of the group is thinking in terms of linked data versus some other format? ←
14:44:44 <Chris> @ John - please contact me over email during the week - may well have a use case for you - in fact I can definately say I have a use case for you to trial any approach you'd like
Chris Beer: @ John - please contact me over email during the week - may well have a use case for you - in fact I can definately say I have a use case for you to trial any approach you'd like ←
14:45:29 <edsu> johnlsheridan: hard to judge, i suspect the main difference between me and the rest of the group is that they were largely coming from a research perspective, and i was coming from a perspective of wanting to actually solve the problems
John Sheridan: hard to judge, i suspect the main difference between me and the rest of the group is that they were largely coming from a research perspective, and i was coming from a perspective of wanting to actually solve the problems ←
14:45:58 <edsu> ... people are more than willing to engage in a practical conversation
... people are more than willing to engage in a practical conversation ←
14:46:12 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
14:46:23 <edsu> ... sometimes it can be very liberating for research oriented folks to find an actual real problem to work with
... sometimes it can be very liberating for research oriented folks to find an actual real problem to work with ←
14:46:36 <edsu> sandro: are they running for a year?
Sandro Hawke: are they running for a year? ←
14:46:55 <edsu> johnlsheridan: yes, use cases by august
John Sheridan: yes, use cases by august ←
14:47:14 <edsu> ... they are very interested in gov't data, a big draw for them
... they are very interested in gov't data, a big draw for them ←
14:47:35 <edsu> Topic: Combining Projects 1 and 2?
14:47:55 <edsu> Cory: i had a question about combining groups 1 and 2, what people thing
Cory Casanave: i had a question about combining groups 1 and 2, what people thing ←
14:48:30 <edsu> sandro: there wasn't a lot of overlap in the survey results ; but if we only have 2 or 3 people showing up, then combining them is probably fine
Sandro Hawke: there wasn't a lot of overlap in the survey results ; but if we only have 2 or 3 people showing up, then combining them is probably fine ←
14:49:04 <edsu> Cory: we'll discuss again tomorrow
Cory Casanave: we'll discuss again tomorrow ←
14:49:21 <edsu> sandro: if you look at the poll, the comments might be helpful
Sandro Hawke: if you look at the poll, the comments might be helpful ←
14:49:40 <edsu> sandro: lets wrap it up, thanks for coming
Sandro Hawke: lets wrap it up, thanks for coming ←
14:49:46 <Zakim> -John
Zakim IRC Bot: -John ←
14:49:47 <Zakim> -Ken
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ken ←
14:49:50 <Zakim> -Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel ←
14:49:51 <Chris> I think its a smart move Cory - makes sense.
Chris Beer: I think its a smart move Cory - makes sense. ←
14:49:52 <Zakim> -Cory
Zakim IRC Bot: -Cory ←
14:49:53 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:49:56 <Zakim> -edsu
Zakim IRC Bot: -edsu ←
14:49:57 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←
14:49:59 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.703.994.aaaa, edsu, Sandro, +1.509.464.aabb, Ken, Rachel, Cory, John, +1.202.449.aacc, Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.703.994.aaaa, edsu, Sandro, +1.509.464.aabb, Ken, Rachel, Cory, John, +1.202.449.aacc, Daniel_Bennett ←
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