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<josema> Guest: Karen Myers, W3C
13:14:12 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-egov-irc ←
13:14:17 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make log public ←
13:14:22 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov ←
13:26:37 <ChrisBeer> Sandro - do we have an agenda for this meeting at all?
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Chris Beer: Sandro - do we have an agenda for this meeting at all? ←
13:26:55 <sandro> I'm about to send out. Kevin was supposed to chair but cancelled. :-(
Sandro Hawke: I'm about to send out. Kevin was supposed to chair but cancelled. :-( ←
13:27:18 <ChrisBeer> kk - I'm here, just in another program. back in 30 for meeting
Chris Beer: kk - I'm here, just in another program. back in 30 for meeting ←
13:46:43 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: 3 Feb IG call: AGENDA http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0031.html
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Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: 3 Feb IG call: AGENDA http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0031.html ←
13:59:04 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
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Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started ←
13:59:11 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
13:59:14 <sandro> scribe: jose
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
13:59:40 <Zakim> +Cory
Zakim IRC Bot: +Cory ←
14:00:01 <Zakim> + +49.178.404.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.178.404.aaaa ←
14:00:12 <Zakim> +Brand
Zakim IRC Bot: +Brand ←
14:00:27 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is bandholtz
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is bandholtz ←
14:00:27 <Zakim> +bandholtz; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bandholtz; got it ←
14:00:43 <Zakim> +Martin
Zakim IRC Bot: +Martin ←
14:00:54 <josema> zakim, Martin has also me
zakim, Martin has also me ←
14:00:54 <Zakim> +also, josema; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +also, josema; got it ←
14:01:20 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
14:01:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Cory, bandholtz, Brand, Martin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Cory, bandholtz, Brand, Martin ←
14:01:22 <Zakim> Martin has also, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: Martin has also, josema ←
14:01:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see martin_spain, josema, george, bandholtz, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisBeer, sandro, hughb, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see martin_spain, josema, george, bandholtz, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisBeer, sandro, hughb, trackbot ←
14:01:25 <Zakim> +Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen ←
14:01:54 <sandro> zakim, martin has josema
Sandro Hawke: zakim, martin has josema ←
14:01:54 <Zakim> josema was already listed in Martin, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: josema was already listed in Martin, sandro ←
14:01:56 <Zakim> + +1.202.441.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.441.aabb ←
14:02:11 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett ←
14:02:20 <sandro> zakim, aabb is George_Thomas
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aabb is George_Thomas ←
14:02:20 <Zakim> +George_Thomas; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +George_Thomas; got it ←
14:02:42 <Zakim> + +1.301.825.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.301.825.aacc ←
14:03:32 <Zakim> - +1.301.825.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.301.825.aacc ←
14:03:47 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
14:03:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Cory, bandholtz, Brand, Martin, Karen, George_Thomas, Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Cory, bandholtz, Brand, Martin, Karen, George_Thomas, Daniel_Bennett ←
14:03:50 <Zakim> Martin has also, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: Martin has also, josema ←
14:03:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see karen, Daniel_Bennett, martin_spain, josema, george, bandholtz, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisBeer, sandro, hughb, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see karen, Daniel_Bennett, martin_spain, josema, george, bandholtz, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisBeer, sandro, hughb, trackbot ←
14:03:54 <josema> scribe: josema
14:03:54 <Zakim> + +0208392aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0208392aadd ←
14:03:55 <Zakim> + +1.804.928.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.804.928.aaee ←
14:04:17 <sandro> zakim, aaee is Harry_Holt
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaee is Harry_Holt ←
14:04:17 <Zakim> +Harry_Holt; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Harry_Holt; got it ←
14:04:36 <sandro> zakim, aadd is John_Sheridan
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aadd is John_Sheridan ←
14:04:36 <Zakim> +John_Sheridan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +John_Sheridan; got it ←
14:04:41 <Zakim> +[LC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC] ←
14:04:44 <edsu> zakim, LC is edsu
Ed Summers: zakim, LC is edsu ←
14:04:44 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +edsu; got it ←
14:04:48 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Cory, bandholtz, Brand, Martin, Karen, George_Thomas, Daniel_Bennett, John_Sheridan, Harry_Holt, edsu
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Cory, bandholtz, Brand, Martin, Karen, George_Thomas, Daniel_Bennett, John_Sheridan, Harry_Holt, edsu ←
14:04:50 <Zakim> Martin has also, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: Martin has also, josema ←
14:04:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see edsu, karen, Daniel_Bennett, martin_spain, josema, george, bandholtz, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisBeer, sandro, hughb, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see edsu, karen, Daniel_Bennett, martin_spain, josema, george, bandholtz, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisBeer, sandro, hughb, trackbot ←
14:04:52 <josema> rrsagent, start telcon
rrsagent, start telcon ←
14:04:52 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'start telcon', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'start telcon', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
14:05:19 <Daniel_Bennett> probably snow day here in washington dc area
Daniel Bennett: probably snow day here in washington dc area ←
14:05:51 <sandro> topic: administration
14:05:21 <josema> sandro: chairing this one myself since Kevin couldn't finally make it
Sandro Hawke: chairing this one myself since Kevin couldn't finally make it ←
14:05:31 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0031.html
Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0031.html ←
14:05:40 <josema> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0031
14:05:56 <josema> ... main point is to hear john about data.gov.uk
... main point is to hear john about data.gov.uk ←
14:06:02 <sandro> minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/meeting/2010-01-20
Sandro Hawke: minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/meeting/2010-01-20 ←
14:06:18 <josema> sandro: any comments about the minutes?
Sandro Hawke: any comments about the minutes? ←
14:06:24 <josema> [none heard]
[none heard] ←
14:06:30 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Meetings
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Meetings ←
14:06:40 <josema> ... next meeting in two weeks
... next meeting in two weeks ←
14:06:52 <josema> ... need a scribe volunteer, please?
... need a scribe volunteer, please? ←
14:06:54 <sandro> scribe volunteer?
Sandro Hawke: scribe volunteer? ←
14:07:01 <george> regrets for next meeting - out of the country
George Thomas: regrets for next meeting - out of the country ←
14:07:11 <karen> +1 Ed
Karen Myers: +1 Ed ←
14:07:13 <sandro> next scribe: EdSu
Sandro Hawke: next scribe: EdSu ←
14:07:25 <josema> [Ed volunteers to scribe on 17 Feb]
[Ed volunteers to scribe on 17 Feb] ←
14:07:26 <karen> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
14:07:33 <josema> sandro: any comments about agenda today?
Sandro Hawke: any comments about agenda today? ←
14:07:44 <luigi> hi all
Luigi Selmi: hi all ←
14:07:49 <josema> karen: any updates around Comm, outreach and conferences?
Karen Myers: any updates around Comm, outreach and conferences? ←
14:07:51 <sandro> topic: Action Item Review
14:08:06 <josema> sandro: sure, when talking about news, etc.
Sandro Hawke: sure, when talking about news, etc. ←
14:08:12 <ChrisBeer> back
Chris Beer: back ←
14:08:37 <sandro> action-14?
14:08:37 <trackbot> ACTION-14 -- John Sheridan to share how he justified the business decision of becoming W3C Members -- due 2008-10-30 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-14 -- John Sheridan to share how he justified the business decision of becoming W3C Members -- due 2008-10-30 -- OPEN ←
14:08:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/14
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/14 ←
14:08:48 <josema> sandro: john on sharing business case to become W3C Members
Sandro Hawke: john on sharing business case to become W3C Members ←
14:08:54 <josema> john: yeah, still on me
John Sheridan: yeah, still on me ←
14:09:00 <josema> sandro: want a deadline?
Sandro Hawke: want a deadline? ←
14:09:10 <Zakim> + +1.303.748.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.748.aaff ←
14:09:15 <Zakim> - +1.303.748.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.303.748.aaff ←
14:09:33 <josema> john: not a bad idea, let's say that in 2 weeks time (17 Feb)
John Sheridan: not a bad idea, let's say that in 2 weeks time (17 Feb) ←
14:09:37 <Zakim> + +1.303.748.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.748.aagg ←
14:09:38 <josema> sandro: ok
Sandro Hawke: ok ←
14:09:47 <sandro> action-76?
14:09:47 <trackbot> ACTION-76 -- José Manuel Alonso to address funding issue -- due 2009-12-31 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-76 -- José Manuel Alonso to address funding issue -- due 2009-12-31 -- OPEN ←
14:09:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/76
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/76 ←
14:11:03 <sandro> zakim, aagg is Gryth
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aagg is Gryth ←
14:11:03 <Zakim> +Gryth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gryth; got it ←
14:11:11 <josema> josema: not working on it anymore, should be better on the Coord Team
José Alonso: not working on it anymore, should be better on the Coord Team ←
14:11:13 <sandro> action-89?
14:11:13 <trackbot> ACTION-89 -- José Manuel Alonso to explore the feasibility of various European venues and conference collaborations and propose specific dates -- due 2009-09-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-89 -- José Manuel Alonso to explore the feasibility of various European venues and conference collaborations and propose specific dates -- due 2009-09-16 -- OPEN ←
14:11:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/89
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/89 ←
14:11:23 <josema> ... it's about finding a way forward in terms of funding
... it's about finding a way forward in terms of funding ←
14:12:18 <sandro> josema: I tried to schedule a F2F in Brussels in December, but it was complicated by other events, so that was postponed. I wanted to do something TimBL could attend.
José Alonso: I tried to schedule a F2F in Brussels in December, but it was complicated by other events, so that was postponed. I wanted to do something TimBL could attend. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:12:59 <karen> q
Karen Myers: q ←
14:13:07 <karen> +1 around key events
Karen Myers: +1 around key events ←
14:13:49 <sandro> close action-89
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-89 ←
14:13:49 <trackbot> ACTION-89 explore the feasibility of various European venues and conference collaborations and propose specific dates closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-89 explore the feasibility of various European venues and conference collaborations and propose specific dates closed ←
14:14:10 <josema> josema: maybe better to schedule around events in DC in March, I don't see how to make this happen in EU in the short term
José Alonso: maybe better to schedule around events in DC in March, I don't see how to make this happen in EU in the short term ←
14:14:38 <sandro> action-95
14:14:45 <sandro> topic: General Announcements, News
14:14:54 <josema> sandro: will try to do by next week??
Sandro Hawke: will try to do by next week?? ←
14:15:26 <sandro> - RDFa Working Group begins
Sandro Hawke: - RDFa Working Group begins ←
14:15:30 <Daniel_Bennett> +q
Daniel Bennett: +q ←
14:15:36 <josema> sandro: a new group has been launched on RDFa, embedding RDF in HTML pages
Sandro Hawke: a new group has been launched on RDFa, embedding RDF in HTML pages ←
14:16:03 <sandro> ack Daniel_bennett
Sandro Hawke: ack Daniel_bennett ←
14:16:05 <Zakim> +Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rachel ←
14:16:26 <ChrisBeer> Awesome news :)
Chris Beer: Awesome news :) ←
14:16:40 <josema> daniel: opengov directive (un)conferences taking place in DC, next one on Feb 17
Daniel Bennett: opengov directive (un)conferences taking place in DC, next one on Feb 17 ←
14:17:01 <josema> ... last time had folks from OMB and other agencies that need to implement the OGD by April
... last time had folks from OMB and other agencies that need to implement the OGD by April ←
14:17:09 <sandro> - US Gov't Budget announced ($81bn for IT?)
Sandro Hawke: - US Gov't Budget announced ($81bn for IT?) ←
14:17:38 <josema> sandro: heard from kevin, need to find more detail about allocation
Sandro Hawke: heard from kevin, need to find more detail about allocation ←
14:17:58 <sandro> cory: that'll be hard
Cory Casanave: that'll be hard [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:18:09 <sandro> - Gov 2.0 Expo (proposal(s) accepted)
Sandro Hawke: - Gov 2.0 Expo (proposal(s) accepted) ←
14:18:09 <josema> cory: very hard, but there may be a way, I guess
Cory Casanave: very hard, but there may be a way, I guess ←
14:19:11 <josema> karen: IG submitted two proposals: panel on tradeoff and various types of techs (still under consideration)
Karen Myers: IG submitted two proposals: panel on tradeoff and various types of techs (still under consideration) ←
14:19:30 <josema> ... second for workshop on how to put open data on the Web (accepted)
... second for workshop on how to put open data on the Web (accepted) ←
14:19:37 <josema> ... sandro and john to co-chair
... sandro and john to co-chair ←
14:19:59 <josema> ... another proposal from W3C on Accesibility (accepted, too) will see Judy Brewer
... another proposal from W3C on Accesibility (accepted, too) will see Judy Brewer ←
14:20:10 <josema> ... talking about that and its relation with mobile, etc.
... talking about that and its relation with mobile, etc. ←
14:20:18 <josema> ... we're very happy, very good visibility for us
... we're very happy, very good visibility for us ←
14:20:29 <ChrisBeer> +1 Jose
Chris Beer: +1 Jose ←
14:20:35 <josema> ... also submitted to O'Reilly, no news yet
... also submitted to O'Reilly, no news yet ←
14:20:45 <Cory> yes
Cory Casanave: yes ←
14:20:50 <josema> sandro: quick poll, who expects to attend?
Sandro Hawke: quick poll, who expects to attend? ←
14:20:53 <sandro> poll, attending gov 2 ?
Sandro Hawke: poll, attending gov 2 ? ←
14:20:54 <Daniel_Bennett> +.5
Daniel Bennett: +.5 ←
14:20:54 <josema> -1
-1 ←
14:20:55 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:20:58 <george> +1 - $$? tho
George Thomas: +1 - $$? tho ←
14:20:59 <bandholtz> -1
Thomas Bandholtz: -1 ←
14:21:00 <karen> +
Karen Myers: + ←
14:21:02 <karen> 1
Karen Myers: 1 ←
14:21:11 <sandro> brian: -1 (probably)
Brian Gryth: -1 (probably) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:21:27 <sandro> - FOSE (proposal(s) accepted)
Sandro Hawke: - FOSE (proposal(s) accepted) ←
14:21:40 <sandro> poll, attending fose
Sandro Hawke: poll, attending fose ←
14:21:45 <rachel> Rachel +1
Rachel Flagg: Rachel +1 ←
14:21:45 <josema> sandro: more proposals accepted, one for FOSE
Sandro Hawke: more proposals accepted, one for FOSE ←
14:21:46 <Cory> +.5
Cory Casanave: +.5 ←
14:21:47 <sandro> sandro: don't know
Sandro Hawke: don't know [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:21:48 <josema> -1
-1 ←
14:21:52 <bandholtz> -1
Thomas Bandholtz: -1 ←
14:21:54 <karen> -1 (same time as W3C AC meeting)
Karen Myers: -1 (same time as W3C AC meeting) ←
14:21:55 <george> +.25
George Thomas: +.25 ←
14:22:05 <edsu> -1 # will be in dc though
Ed Summers: -1 # will be in dc though ←
14:22:20 <ChrisBeer> -1 :(
Chris Beer: -1 :( ←
14:22:28 <josema> sandro: anything else about FOSE proposal?
Sandro Hawke: anything else about FOSE proposal? ←
14:22:43 <josema> karen: panel, kevin to chair, more focused on LOD
Karen Myers: panel, kevin to chair, more focused on LOD ←
14:22:51 <josema> ... daniel also participating
... daniel also participating ←
14:23:10 <rachel> FOSE panel is Kevin, John, Daniel & Rachel
Rachel Flagg: FOSE panel is Kevin, John, Daniel & Rachel ←
14:23:14 <josema> karen: more announcements
Karen Myers: more announcements ←
14:23:32 <sandro> subtopic: W3C AC members: AC meeting March 21-23
14:23:33 <josema> ... for W3C AC Reps, registration is open (21-23 march at MIT)
... for W3C AC Reps, registration is open (21-23 march at MIT) ←
14:23:46 <josema> ... WWW2010, April, Raleigh, LOD camp there
... WWW2010, April, Raleigh, LOD camp there ←
14:24:07 <josema> ... Web Science trust probably will co-locate and discuss eGov topics
... Web Science trust probably will co-locate and discuss eGov topics ←
14:24:10 <karen> http://www2010.org/www/
Karen Myers: http://www2010.org/www/ ←
14:24:17 <josema> ... opportunity to co-locate a eGov IG F2F, too
... opportunity to co-locate a eGov IG F2F, too ←
14:24:40 <josema> ... RDF workshop announced, Ivan Herman is eager to see papers on vertical application areas
... RDF workshop announced, Ivan Herman is eager to see papers on vertical application areas ←
14:24:54 <josema> ... such as eGov, I want to encourage to submit
... such as eGov, I want to encourage to submit ←
14:25:19 <josema> sandro: I wrote a blog post about the topic a couple months ago
Sandro Hawke: I wrote a blog post about the topic a couple months ago ←
14:25:20 <edsu> first REST conference is happening at www2010 too http://ws-rest.org/
Ed Summers: first REST conference is happening at www2010 too http://ws-rest.org/ ←
14:25:32 <josema> sandro: any other announcements?
Sandro Hawke: any other announcements? ←
14:25:51 <josema> john: tomorrow I've been invited by Danish government to speak about data.gov.uk
John Sheridan: tomorrow I've been invited by Danish government to speak about data.gov.uk ←
14:26:00 <Daniel_Bennett> nice John. have fun
Daniel Bennett: nice John. have fun ←
14:26:04 <karen> +1 John Sheridan in Copenhagen
Karen Myers: +1 John Sheridan in Copenhagen ←
14:26:10 <josema> ... I'll be in Copenhagen, Danish Minister to open
... I'll be in Copenhagen, Danish Minister to open ←
14:26:10 <Daniel_Bennett> +1
Daniel Bennett: +1 ←
14:26:24 <josema> ... 24 Feb, meetup in London
... 24 Feb, meetup in London ←
14:26:49 <josema> ... Setefano ?? project officer at EU looking at SW and use and adoption by Govs
... Setefano ?? project officer at EU looking at SW and use and adoption by Govs ←
14:27:03 <josema> ... he's trying to organize a workshop in Sept
... he's trying to organize a workshop in Sept ←
14:27:57 <edsu> karen: http://www.meetup.com/Web-Of-Data/calendar/12317420/
Karen Myers: http://www.meetup.com/Web-Of-Data/calendar/12317420/ [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←
14:28:13 <josema> rachel: reminder to everyone in the US that agencies are supposed to put up a page to get feedback
Rachel Flagg: reminder to everyone in the US that agencies are supposed to put up a page to get feedback ←
14:28:28 <karen> Is there a link?
Karen Myers: Is there a link? ←
14:28:35 <josema> ... on OGD and how they can be more transparent to the public
... on OGD and how they can be more transparent to the public ←
14:28:41 <sandro> rachel: comment window opens Saturday and runs for 2 weeks
Rachel Flagg: comment window opens Saturday and runs for 2 weeks [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:29:01 <josema> ... comment opens Saturday and runs for 2 weeks
... comment opens Saturday and runs for 2 weeks ←
14:29:32 <josema> sandro: pointers?
Sandro Hawke: pointers? ←
14:29:46 <josema> rachel: they'll be available from whitehouse.gov
Rachel Flagg: they'll be available from whitehouse.gov ←
14:29:51 <sandro> rachel: will be on whitehouse.gov/open and see webcontent.gov
Rachel Flagg: will be on whitehouse.gov/open and see webcontent.gov [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:30:13 <josema> ... we'll also have a page to help agencies do their /open ones from webcontent.gov
... we'll also have a page to help agencies do their /open ones from webcontent.gov ←
14:30:22 <josema> sandro: more?
Sandro Hawke: more? ←
14:30:24 <edsu> karen: not sure what you're looking for, but that url has the info about the event, and how to sign up
Karen Myers: not sure what you're looking for, but that url has the info about the event, and how to sign up [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←
14:30:25 <josema> [none heard]
[none heard] ←
14:30:28 <sandro> topic: Project Groups
14:30:49 <josema> sandro: last week we reviewed feedback, bunch of people interested
Sandro Hawke: last week we reviewed feedback, bunch of people interested ←
14:31:04 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0029
Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0029 ←
14:31:06 <josema> ... we asked people about potential times for telcons
... we asked people about potential times for telcons ←
14:31:17 <josema> ... poll closed yesterday
... poll closed yesterday ←
14:31:44 <josema> ... group 4 was quite constraint, not much problems for the rest
... group 4 was quite constraint, not much problems for the rest ←
14:32:25 <josema> ... we need to review results and see when to start scheduling calls
... we need to review results and see when to start scheduling calls ←
14:32:29 <george> does today count for 3 days notice to this fri?
George Thomas: does today count for 3 days notice to this fri? ←
14:32:36 <josema> ... I need to book conference bridge, etc.
... I need to book conference bridge, etc. ←
14:32:49 <josema> ... there's a 3-day advance notice for this
... there's a 3-day advance notice for this ←
14:33:10 <josema> cory: group 2: I've a conflict for the same slot over the next couple weeks
Cory Casanave: group 2: I've a conflict for the same slot over the next couple weeks ←
14:33:32 <josema> ... in any case, I'd like to propose to combine 1&2
... in any case, I'd like to propose to combine 1&2 ←
14:33:50 <josema> ... to bring the strategy and technical view together
... to bring the strategy and technical view together ←
14:34:03 <josema> ... would fit quite well for telcons in the near future
... would fit quite well for telcons in the near future ←
14:34:18 <josema> ... and I'd propose the group 1 slot for that
... and I'd propose the group 1 slot for that ←
14:34:41 <josema> sandro: Thomas B?
Sandro Hawke: Thomas B? ←
14:34:51 <sandro> action: sandro reserve bridge Thursday10 for Group 1
ACTION: sandro reserve bridge Thursday10 for Group 1 ←
14:34:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Reserve bridge Thursday10 for Group 1 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-02-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-96 - Reserve bridge Thursday10 for Group 1 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-02-10]. ←
14:34:54 <ChrisBeer> q+
Chris Beer: q+ ←
14:35:05 <josema> thomas b: I'm also available on Thus??
thomas b: I'm also available on Thus?? ←
14:35:32 <josema> cory: so we could probably start on Feb 11
Cory Casanave: so we could probably start on Feb 11 ←
14:35:34 <sandro> ack karen
Sandro Hawke: ack karen ←
14:35:37 <sandro> ack ChrisBeer
Sandro Hawke: ack ChrisBeer ←
14:35:43 <ChrisBeer> With regards to 4 - core members seem happy with the timing
Chris Beer: With regards to 4 - core members seem happy with the timing ←
14:35:56 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
14:35:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Cory, bandholtz, Brand, Martin, Karen, George_Thomas, Daniel_Bennett, John_Sheridan, Harry_Holt, edsu, Gryth (muted), Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Cory, bandholtz, Brand, Martin, Karen, George_Thomas, Daniel_Bennett, John_Sheridan, Harry_Holt, edsu, Gryth (muted), Rachel ←
14:35:59 <Zakim> Martin has also, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: Martin has also, josema ←
14:36:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see harry, Rachel, MoZ, luigi, edsu, karen, Daniel_Bennett, martin_spain, josema, george, bandholtz, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisBeer, sandro, hughb, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see harry, Rachel, MoZ, luigi, edsu, karen, Daniel_Bennett, martin_spain, josema, george, bandholtz, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisBeer, sandro, hughb, trackbot ←
14:36:01 <edsu> ChrisBeer: you just on irc?
Chris Beer: you just on irc? [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←
14:36:29 <sandro> subtopic: group 3
14:36:33 <ChrisBeer> Have had feedback from non-respondants directly who indicate that that timeslot is fine. I'd envision that after initial telecon, we'd move into a more collab online workspace...
Chris Beer: Have had feedback from non-respondants directly who indicate that that timeslot is fine. I'd envision that after initial telecon, we'd move into a more collab online workspace... ←
14:36:36 <ChrisBeer> @ ed yes
Chris Beer: @ ed yes ←
14:36:54 <ChrisBeer> ... collab online workspace and meet only as required.
Chris Beer: ... collab online workspace and meet only as required. ←
14:36:57 <josema> george: thanks for the survey, apparently Fri at 9am works for enough folks
George Thomas: thanks for the survey, apparently Fri at 9am works for enough folks ←
14:37:24 <josema> .... we might want to start this week??
.... we might want to start this week?? ←
14:37:37 <josema> ... are we able to sue same tools?
... are we able to sue same tools? ←
14:37:40 <josema> s/??//
s/??// ←
14:37:45 <josema> s/sue/use
s/sue/use ←
14:38:00 <josema> sandro: yes, but I cannot guarantee to have it ready for this Fri
Sandro Hawke: yes, but I cannot guarantee to have it ready for this Fri ←
14:38:32 <josema> george: ok, thanks, I'll start a wiki page to organize stuff
George Thomas: ok, thanks, I'll start a wiki page to organize stuff ←
14:38:46 <josema> ... I'll be away in India for 3 weeks, starting 8 Feb
... I'll be away in India for 3 weeks, starting 8 Feb ←
14:39:00 <Cory> Sandro: Is there a "page" for projects 1&2?
Sandro Hawke: Is there a "page" for projects 1&2? [ Scribe Assist by Cory Casanave ] ←
14:39:05 <josema> ... so first thing for this Fri would be to get a co-coordinator to get things moving on
... so first thing for this Fri would be to get a co-coordinator to get things moving on ←
14:39:08 <sandro> not yet Cory, but you can make one.
Sandro Hawke: not yet Cory, but you can make one. ←
14:39:14 <george> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects/GLD_Demo
George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects/GLD_Demo ←
14:39:16 <josema> s/sandro:/sandro,
s/sandro:/sandro, ←
14:39:42 <josema> sandro: anyone in the group can make project pages in the wiki
Sandro Hawke: anyone in the group can make project pages in the wiki ←
14:39:50 <sandro> subtopic: project 4
14:40:24 <sandro> subtopic: project 5
14:41:10 <josema> daniel: generally it's a great time but haven't checked with all the group if they can attend
Daniel Bennett: generally it's a great time but haven't checked with all the group if they can attend ←
14:41:24 <josema> ... Chris and I to work closely together
... Chris and I to work closely together ←
14:41:27 <Cory> Also, is there group mail lists?
Cory Casanave: Also, is there group mail lists? ←
14:41:42 <ChrisBeer> +1 Daniel
Chris Beer: +1 Daniel ←
14:41:44 <josema> s/Also:/Also,
s/Also:/Also, ←
14:41:48 <ChrisBeer> +1 Cory
Chris Beer: +1 Cory ←
14:41:56 <josema> ... good question from Cory on IRC
... good question from Cory on IRC ←
14:41:59 <sandro> subtopic: project 6
14:42:09 <josema> s/IRC/on subgroup lists
s/IRC/on subgroup lists ←
14:42:49 <josema> brian: very good time for me, haven't checked closely with people yet
Brian Gryth: very good time for me, haven't checked closely with people yet ←
14:43:03 <ChrisBeer> With regard to My and Daniels projects - given thier nature, much of the work can take place via correspondance imo, so we can be fairly flexible on when and what time we have those meetings.
Chris Beer: With regard to My and Daniels projects - given thier nature, much of the work can take place via correspondance imo, so we can be fairly flexible on when and what time we have those meetings. ←
14:43:13 <josema> ... expect to develop best practices for social media in gov
... expect to develop best practices for social media in gov ←
14:43:37 <josema> ... I'd like to hold first meeting next week
... I'd like to hold first meeting next week ←
14:43:46 <josema> ... Feb 12 at 3pm ET
... Feb 12 at 3pm ET ←
14:44:25 <josema> sandro: mailing lists, we discussed about using tags at the beginning of the subject
Sandro Hawke: mailing lists, we discussed about using tags at the beginning of the subject ←
14:44:33 <josema> ... or making lists for subgroups
... or making lists for subgroups ←
14:44:56 <josema> ... I don't have a strong opinion, probably separate mailing lists is more flexible
... I don't have a strong opinion, probably separate mailing lists is more flexible ←
14:45:44 <ChrisBeer> would like to see discussion forum format or the wiki actively used. Using tags on main list is a good idea - encourages participation from others on an ad-hoc basis
Chris Beer: would like to see discussion forum format or the wiki actively used. Using tags on main list is a good idea - encourages participation from others on an ad-hoc basis ←
14:46:06 <george> +1 Chris
George Thomas: +1 Chris ←
14:46:10 <josema> daniel: we can discuss among ourselves in the groups, use wiki discussion pages, ??
Daniel Bennett: we can discuss among ourselves in the groups, use wiki discussion pages, ?? ←
14:46:12 <george> folks can 'watch' wiki pages
George Thomas: folks can 'watch' wiki pages ←
14:46:22 <ChrisBeer> +1
Chris Beer: +1 ←
14:46:38 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
14:46:43 <josema> sandro: I'm not sure
Sandro Hawke: I'm not sure ←
14:47:11 <josema> [some discussion about the various possibilities offered by the wiki]
[some discussion about the various possibilities offered by the wiki] ←
14:47:44 <edsu> you might be able to filter based on page category, if groups assign their pages to a category
Ed Summers: you might be able to filter based on page category, if groups assign their pages to a category ←
14:47:46 <josema> rrsagent, pointer
rrsagent, pointer ←
14:47:46 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-egov-irc#T14-47-46
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-egov-irc#T14-47-46 ←
14:47:57 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:47:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-egov-minutes.html josema ←
14:47:58 <george> +1 cory - create an entry page, make links on that to new pages, watch the entry page
George Thomas: +1 cory - create an entry page, make links on that to new pages, watch the entry page ←
14:48:10 <ChrisBeer> Case in point - it works for 100,000's people editing collaboratively on wikipedia, I'm sure we can make ours work for our little efforts :)
Chris Beer: Case in point - it works for 100,000's people editing collaboratively on wikipedia, I'm sure we can make ours work for our little efforts :) ←
14:48:20 <josema> sandro: anybody feels strongly about separate mailing lists?
Sandro Hawke: anybody feels strongly about separate mailing lists? ←
14:48:34 <josema> cory: let's start with subject tags and figure out if they're needed
Cory Casanave: let's start with subject tags and figure out if they're needed ←
14:48:35 <george> +1 cory - [3] = GLD_Demo
George Thomas: +1 cory - [3] = GLD_Demo ←
14:48:51 <ChrisBeer> I do in that I don't like the idea - encourages non-transparency
Chris Beer: I do in that I don't like the idea - encourages non-transparency ←
14:48:58 <josema> ??: I second that
??: I second that ←
14:49:06 <sandro> s/??/Brian/
Sandro Hawke: s/??/Brian/ ←
14:49:23 <josema> ... if things get too "spammy" we might want to start separate ones
... if things get too "spammy" we might want to start separate ones ←
14:49:25 <edsu> +1 for 1 mailing list
Ed Summers: +1 for 1 mailing list ←
14:49:35 <sandro> consensus is one list for now.
Sandro Hawke: consensus is one list for now. ←
14:49:36 <josema> sandro. I think I hear consensus on starting with tags
sandro. I think I hear consensus on starting with tags ←
14:49:42 <josema> s/sandro./sandro:
s/sandro./sandro: ←
14:50:12 <josema> sandro: for the tags... I guess that people from each group should come up with their own
Sandro Hawke: for the tags... I guess that people from each group should come up with their own ←
14:50:26 <josema> sandro: anything else on the groups that we need right now?
Sandro Hawke: anything else on the groups that we need right now? ←
14:50:32 <luigi> why not using a forum instead of a mailing list ?
Luigi Selmi: why not using a forum instead of a mailing list ? ←
14:50:37 <josema> ... I'll go ahead and make telcon reservations asap
... I'll go ahead and make telcon reservations asap ←
14:50:41 <ChrisBeer> If we limit messages to the list to general discussion and RFCs on issues, we should be ok re "spammy". I'd encourage TF1-6 with the caveats someone suggested (FYI etc)
Chris Beer: If we limit messages to the list to general discussion and RFCs on issues, we should be ok re "spammy". I'd encourage TF1-6 with the caveats someone suggested (FYI etc) ←
14:50:42 <Daniel_Bennett> group 5 can use the URL of their main page as the tag for their email, etc
Daniel Bennett: group 5 can use the URL of their main page as the tag for their email, etc ←
14:50:42 <george> @sandro - thanks! will follow up :)
George Thomas: @sandro - thanks! will follow up :) ←
14:51:08 <josema> sandro: luigi, that's not what we have been using so far and haven't heard any push for that
Sandro Hawke: luigi, that's not what we have been using so far and haven't heard any push for that ←
14:51:11 <george> discussion on wiki page = subject forum
George Thomas: discussion on wiki page = subject forum ←
14:51:16 <sandro> topic: data.gov.uk
14:51:20 <ChrisBeer> +1 luigi, but unfortunately infrastructure would lie outside of w3c namespace :(
Chris Beer: +1 luigi, but unfortunately infrastructure would lie outside of w3c namespace :( ←
14:52:02 <luigi> ok, :(
Luigi Selmi: ok, :( ←
14:52:04 <Cory> There is a (US) data.gov meeting next thursday - is anyone going?
Cory Casanave: There is a (US) data.gov meeting next thursday - is anyone going? ←
14:52:04 <ChrisBeer> (ie: would require w3c to set up, test, tie into permissions structure etc)
Chris Beer: (ie: would require w3c to set up, test, tie into permissions structure etc) ←
14:52:20 <josema> john: we had a preview launch back in Nov 2009
John Sheridan: we had a preview launch back in Nov 2009 ←
14:52:26 <josema> ... to get feedback from the developer community
... to get feedback from the developer community ←
14:52:53 <josema> ... site was focused on being attractive to developers
... site was focused on being attractive to developers ←
14:53:05 <sandro> john: data.gov.uk is for developers, not for end-users.
John Sheridan: data.gov.uk is for developers, not for end-users. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:53:18 <josema> ... departments are able to make more end-user friendly but not the main focus
... departments are able to make more end-user friendly but not the main focus ←
14:53:23 <Cory> Interesting, we have no developer site for the US
Cory Casanave: Interesting, we have no developer site for the US ←
14:53:25 <Zakim> + +1.410.975.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.975.aahh ←
14:53:31 <josema> ... most datasets were published by departaments themselves
... most datasets were published by departaments themselves ←
14:53:51 <josema> ... office of statistical information put info about transport, crime statistics
... office of statistical information put info about transport, crime statistics ←
14:54:09 <josema> ... there was a lot of policy activity focused on what should be done
... there was a lot of policy activity focused on what should be done ←
14:54:29 <josema> ... goal 1 is transparency but also very important enabling economic benefits
... goal 1 is transparency but also very important enabling economic benefits ←
14:54:37 <ChrisBeer> We have one in Australi (developer site) - general feedback is good
Chris Beer: We have one in Australi (developer site) - general feedback is good ←
14:54:39 <josema> ... of people building services and products on top
... of people building services and products on top ←
14:55:05 <josema> ... published a paper on smarter government on this with some focus on public information
... published a paper on smarter government on this with some focus on public information ←
14:55:08 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
zakim, who's noisy? ←
14:55:20 <Zakim> josema, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Sheridan (40%), Gryth (13%)
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Sheridan (40%), Gryth (13%) ←
14:55:48 <josema> ... UK gov followed W3C recommendations, in particular SW + LD
... UK gov followed W3C recommendations, in particular SW + LD ←
14:56:19 <josema> ... discussion on which info should be made free, which one should have some sort of tax
... discussion on which info should be made free, which one should have some sort of tax ←
14:56:40 <josema> ... best example is Ordnance Survey, which is used to charge for its data
... best example is Ordnance Survey, which is used to charge for its data ←
14:56:56 <edsu> -> http://www.hmg.gov.uk/frontlinefirst.aspx Smarter Government
Ed Summers: -> http://www.hmg.gov.uk/frontlinefirst.aspx Smarter Government ←
14:56:56 <josema> ... this needed consideration on the policy level, too
... this needed consideration on the policy level, too ←
14:57:13 <ChrisBeer> question, is all data released under creative commons, or does Crown retain copyright?
Chris Beer: question, is all data released under creative commons, or does Crown retain copyright? ←
14:57:30 <josema> ... and a big policy change to make it free
... and a big policy change to make it free ←
14:58:00 <josema> ... because it costs to make information public
... because it costs to make information public ←
14:58:19 <josema> ... another interesting discussion was around CC
... another interesting discussion was around CC ←
14:58:40 <josema> ... if it was compatible or not with licenses in the UK
... if it was compatible or not with licenses in the UK ←
14:58:54 <josema> ... differences between 2.5 and 3.0 versions
... differences between 2.5 and 3.0 versions ←
14:59:11 <josema> ... an issue in EU is the concept of ?? right, non-existant in the US
... an issue in EU is the concept of ?? right, non-existant in the US ←
14:59:26 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
zakim, who's noisy? ←
14:59:36 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Martin (28%), Karen (19%), John_Sheridan (34%), Gryth (8%)
Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Martin (28%), Karen (19%), John_Sheridan (34%), Gryth (8%) ←
14:59:46 <josema> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
14:59:46 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
14:59:52 <josema> zakim, mute Martin
zakim, mute Martin ←
14:59:52 <Zakim> Martin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Martin should now be muted ←
15:00:30 <josema> ... on the technology side, having the departments producing the metadata themselves
... on the technology side, having the departments producing the metadata themselves ←
15:00:47 <josema> ... was a great idea, we did not intend to build a big central database
... was a great idea, we did not intend to build a big central database ←
15:01:20 <josema> ... how we can persist information of Web documents it's also of paramount importance for us
... how we can persist information of Web documents it's also of paramount importance for us ←
15:01:40 <josema> ... we do archive Web content, it's the responsibility of the agencies to do it properly
... we do archive Web content, it's the responsibility of the agencies to do it properly ←
15:01:58 <josema> ... so if page not available, people will still be able to access it in the archive
... so if page not available, people will still be able to access it in the archive ←
15:02:05 <josema> .. .same consideration for datasets
.. .same consideration for datasets ←
15:02:11 <josema> s/.. ./...
s/.. ./... ←
15:02:33 <josema> ... our approach to preservation is a very important piece of our work
... our approach to preservation is a very important piece of our work ←
15:02:42 <josema> ... we use some RDFa, we will use more
... we use some RDFa, we will use more ←
15:02:51 <josema> ... for example we mark CC licensed content
... for example we mark CC licensed content ←
15:03:07 <josema> ... we're adding it to descriptions of applications people are producing
... we're adding it to descriptions of applications people are producing ←
15:03:25 <josema> ... few things we learned by suing LD over last couple months:
... few things we learned by suing LD over last couple months: ←
15:03:43 <josema> ... 1. needs of data producers much different from those of data consumers
... 1. needs of data producers much different from those of data consumers ←
15:04:00 <josema> ... puts obligation into producers at departments to do the right thing
... puts obligation into producers at departments to do the right thing ←
15:04:15 <josema> ... on consumer side: many developers are much more comfortable using simpler APIs
... on consumer side: many developers are much more comfortable using simpler APIs ←
15:04:44 <josema> ... it's been a paradox, we're doing a piece of work on how we can "constraint" ourselves
... it's been a paradox, we're doing a piece of work on how we can "constraint" ourselves ←
15:05:15 <josema> ... to build API features automatically onto data, so those can use it in an easier way for them
... to build API features automatically onto data, so those can use it in an easier way for them ←
15:05:18 <luigi> maybe URI persistence must be distinguidshed from documents persistence
Luigi Selmi: maybe URI persistence must be distinguidshed from documents persistence ←
15:05:25 <josema> ... significant work being put on this
... significant work being put on this ←
15:06:18 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:06:23 <josema> ... for example, publishing JSON vs SPARQL endpoint
... for example, publishing JSON vs SPARQL endpoint ←
15:06:35 <josema> ... first implementation should be available in few weeks
... first implementation should be available in few weeks ←
15:06:54 <sandro> (very cool -- automatic JSON and XML APIs from Linked Data)
Sandro Hawke: (very cool -- automatic JSON and XML APIs from Linked Data) ←
15:07:21 <josema> ... in terms of some of the problems, we faced a few
... in terms of some of the problems, we faced a few ←
15:07:35 <josema> ... for example, if you have a URI for a school and data from a school
... for example, if you have a URI for a school and data from a school ←
15:07:50 <josema> ... those are changed at different places and at a different point in time
... those are changed at different places and at a different point in time ←
15:07:54 <josema> s/are/may
s/are/may ←
15:08:01 <josema> s/may/may be
s/may/may be ←
15:08:32 <josema> ... so if I want to get data about the school today, might be not the same I had a few months ago
... so if I want to get data about the school today, might be not the same I had a few months ago ←
15:08:42 <josema> ... but the old one might not be available anywhere
... but the old one might not be available anywhere ←
15:08:57 <josema> ... we're trying a few models and patterns to cope with this
... we're trying a few models and patterns to cope with this ←
15:09:00 <sandro> (yeah, that's a challenge .... looking at how the data was at time T.... (slightly different from how the world was at time T))
Sandro Hawke: (yeah, that's a challenge .... looking at how the data was at time T.... (slightly different from how the world was at time T)) ←
15:09:30 <josema> ... another big issue is provenance, what processes it has gone through
... another big issue is provenance, what processes it has gone through ←
15:09:39 <josema> ... who produced this data in the first place
... who produced this data in the first place ←
15:10:02 <josema> ... we are focusing hard on location information, trying to align LD work
... we are focusing hard on location information, trying to align LD work ←
15:10:13 <josema> ... with implementation of the EU INSPIRE directive
... with implementation of the EU INSPIRE directive ←
15:10:35 <josema> ... every object in EU should have a unique identifier (a boundary, for example)
... every object in EU should have a unique identifier (a boundary, for example) ←
15:10:44 <josema> ... we need to reconcile how this is done with a LD approach
... we need to reconcile how this is done with a LD approach ←
15:11:10 <josema> ... second area: statistic, XTNS?? standard heavily used
... second area: statistic, XTNS?? standard heavily used ←
15:11:33 <josema> ... we hosted a 2-day workshop to learn how to reconcile both approaches
... we hosted a 2-day workshop to learn how to reconcile both approaches ←
15:11:47 <josema> q?
q? ←
15:12:20 <Cory> Paper on change and provenance that may be useful: http://www.modeldriven.org/projects/EKB/Management%20of%20Change%20and%20Provenance%20in%20a%20RDF%20Repository.pdf
Cory Casanave: Paper on change and provenance that may be useful: http://www.modeldriven.org/projects/EKB/Management%20of%20Change%20and%20Provenance%20in%20a%20RDF%20Repository.pdf ←
15:12:42 <josema> ... significant work also went on culture, significant concern from producers
... significant work also went on culture, significant concern from producers ←
15:12:55 <sandro> (yes - big fear - that this technology allows people to quickly and easily misunderstand the data :-)
Sandro Hawke: (yes - big fear - that this technology allows people to quickly and easily misunderstand the data :-) ←
15:13:16 <josema> ... big concern about loosing context and how people could interpret the data
... big concern about loosing context and how people could interpret the data ←
15:13:38 <josema> ... although we have a clear mandate, we talked and talked with people
... although we have a clear mandate, we talked and talked with people ←
15:13:43 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:13:48 <george> q+
George Thomas: q+ ←
15:13:58 <josema> ... gave them tons of examples, TimBL invested significant time on this
... gave them tons of examples, TimBL invested significant time on this ←
15:14:16 <josema> ... huge amount of activity on: policy, technology and cultural change
... huge amount of activity on: policy, technology and cultural change ←
15:14:25 <Rachel> correction to comments about about /opengov comment period - it is open for six weeks (not 2)
Rachel Flagg: correction to comments about about /opengov comment period - it is open for six weeks (not 2) ←
15:14:31 <josema> ... tech going very fast, fantastic people working on it
... tech going very fast, fantastic people working on it ←
15:14:51 <george> BIG THANKS TO JS!!! GREAT STUFF!!!!!
George Thomas: BIG THANKS TO JS!!! GREAT STUFF!!!!! ←
15:15:06 <josema> sandro: thanks, john, couple question
Sandro Hawke: thanks, john, couple question ←
15:15:13 <josema> ... how many people working on this?
... how many people working on this? ←
15:15:44 <josema> john: core team of 10-15 people, but it spans out, we are kickstarting in several parts of gov
John Sheridan: core team of 10-15 people, but it spans out, we are kickstarting in several parts of gov ←
15:16:22 <josema> ... statistics workshop alone had 37 people in attendance
... statistics workshop alone had 37 people in attendance ←
15:17:23 <josema> ... 30-40 officials from various departments also quickly involved when we needed to solve policy issues
... 30-40 officials from various departments also quickly involved when we needed to solve policy issues ←
15:17:31 <josema> sandro: how much of the published data is linked data?
Sandro Hawke: how much of the published data is linked data? ←
15:17:40 <josema> john: not much, but getting there
John Sheridan: not much, but getting there ←
15:17:41 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:18:01 <josema> ... we did a piece of work on building URIs for UK public sector
... we did a piece of work on building URIs for UK public sector ←
15:18:16 <josema> ... not LD per se but putting the pillars
... not LD per se but putting the pillars ←
15:18:32 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:18:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/03-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:18:55 <josema> ... we have been identifying these pillars over the last couple months
... we have been identifying these pillars over the last couple months ←
15:19:36 <sandro> (good question: when iso establishes IDs for something, who should make a URI for them?)
Sandro Hawke: (good question: when iso establishes IDs for something, who should make a URI for them?) ←
15:19:53 <sandro> ack george
Sandro Hawke: ack george ←
15:20:18 <josema> george: I very much appreciate the work you guys are doing across technical and cultural boundaries
George Thomas: I very much appreciate the work you guys are doing across technical and cultural boundaries ←
15:20:37 <josema> ... what's the role played by CKAN and Talis??
... what's the role played by CKAN and Talis?? ←
15:20:56 <josema> john: in order to have single point of access, we wanted to build OSS tools
John Sheridan: in order to have single point of access, we wanted to build OSS tools ←
15:21:03 <josema> ... we use Drupal and CKAN
... we use Drupal and CKAN ←
15:21:18 <josema> ... CKAN is a packaging system for code and data
... CKAN is a packaging system for code and data ←
15:21:28 <josema> ... it provides a metadata registry service
... it provides a metadata registry service ←
15:21:39 <josema> ... Talis provides hosting for LD
... Talis provides hosting for LD ←
15:22:00 <josema> ... but we want to publish on a distributed way
... but we want to publish on a distributed way ←
15:22:15 <josema> ... they should be able to use other methods in the future, maybe Talis, maybe their own
... they should be able to use other methods in the future, maybe Talis, maybe their own ←
15:22:36 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:23:00 <josema> ... from a government procurement perspective this is good, you need better competition
... from a government procurement perspective this is good, you need better competition ←
15:23:08 <josema> ... more to choose from, creates a marketplace
... more to choose from, creates a marketplace ←
15:23:16 <edsu> q+
Ed Summers: q+ ←
15:23:39 <josema> .. Talis been fantastic in terms of support and expertise, lot of capability, very helpful
.. Talis been fantastic in terms of support and expertise, lot of capability, very helpful ←
15:23:49 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:23:53 <sandro> ack edsu
Sandro Hawke: ack edsu ←
15:24:32 <josema> ed: second what George said, very important work
Ed Summers: second what George said, very important work ←
15:25:36 <josema> ... do you think of LD as also encompassing the use of RDFa in pages (not datasets)?
... do you think of LD as also encompassing the use of RDFa in pages (not datasets)? ←
15:26:04 <josema> john: absolutely
John Sheridan: absolutely ←
15:26:07 <edsu> josema: no worries i stumbled through that question :-)
José Alonso: no worries i stumbled through that question :-) [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←
15:26:11 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 John -- exciting work John
Daniel Bennett: +1 John -- exciting work John ←
15:26:44 <Daniel_Bennett> good luck in Copenhagen.
Daniel Bennett: good luck in Copenhagen. ←
15:28:00 <josema> ... example: if on owns the URI for the county of Norfolk
... example: if on owns the URI for the county of Norfolk ←
15:28:07 <josema> s/on/one
s/on/one ←
15:28:33 <sandro> (great stuff, having a separate same-as service to say "we *think* the wikipedia County of Norfolk is the same as our *official* County of Norfolk.")
Sandro Hawke: (great stuff, having a separate same-as service to say "we *think* the wikipedia County of Norfolk is the same as our *official* County of Norfolk.") ←
15:28:35 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:28:40 <josema> ... one (gov) is reluctant to say that URI is the same as the one from the wikipedia
... one (gov) is reluctant to say that URI is the same as the one from the wikipedia ←
15:28:42 <Cory> Technical point: sameAs as an overly strong assertion - need Equivelent class
Cory Casanave: Technical point: sameAs as an overly strong assertion - need Equivelent class ←
15:28:58 <josema> ... referring to that country because *one* is the official authoritative resource
... referring to that country because *one* is the official authoritative resource ←
15:29:05 <josema> john: we are learning heaps and heaps
John Sheridan: we are learning heaps and heaps ←
15:29:14 <josema> ... you need to try this stuff out and experiment
... you need to try this stuff out and experiment ←
15:29:17 <karen> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
15:29:47 <Cory> Cont... Need equivelent for "instances"
Cory Casanave: Cont... Need equivelent for "instances" ←
15:29:52 <josema> ... also massive is that we are not making happy many of the pragmatic people in search of data
... also massive is that we are not making happy many of the pragmatic people in search of data ←
15:30:01 <sandro> (yes, just providing linked data is not enough for developers -- some need JSON)
Sandro Hawke: (yes, just providing linked data is not enough for developers -- some need JSON) ←
15:30:02 <josema> ... hence our API/JSON/XML approach
... hence our API/JSON/XML approach ←
15:30:22 <sandro> ack karen
Sandro Hawke: ack karen ←
15:30:22 <josema> ... potentially a huge win for LD standards
... potentially a huge win for LD standards ←
15:30:34 <josema> karen: thanks, john, helps me get more context, too
Karen Myers: thanks, john, helps me get more context, too ←
15:30:36 <george> isn't JSON serialization a part of 'RDF Futures'?
George Thomas: isn't JSON serialization a part of 'RDF Futures'? ←
15:31:02 <josema> ... US and UK initiatives, josema in Spain, you going to Denmark
... US and UK initiatives, josema in Spain, you going to Denmark ←
15:31:27 <josema> ... big question: how we can/shoud connect this IG, internationally effort better with those?
... big question: how we can/shoud connect this IG, internationally effort better with those? ←
15:31:33 <karen> +1 JohnSheridan "World Tour" :)
Karen Myers: +1 JohnSheridan "World Tour" :) ←
15:31:37 <josema> ... probably better for next time
... probably better for next time ←
15:31:40 <george> thanks all
George Thomas: thanks all ←
15:31:45 <josema> sandro: time is over
Sandro Hawke: time is over ←
15:31:49 <josema> .. we're adjourned
.. we're adjourned ←
15:31:57 <josema> ... next meeting on Feb 17
... next meeting on Feb 17 ←
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