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Sandro drafted a skeletal page about our [[Projects]]. Please review it and fill it in more about the projects you care about!
Discussion: Government Linked Data, Techniques and Technologies
Sam Deskin described what Open Jurist is doing, using Calias to extract semantic information from public legal records in the US, and their plans to make it available publicly. Lively discussion about how to do this and related issues.
<sandro> Guest: Karen Myers, http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/User:Karen_Myers, W3C
13:56:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-egov-irc
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13:56:55 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
José Alonso: trackbot, start telcon ←
13:56:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:57:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
13:57:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started ←
13:57:01 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13:57:01 <trackbot> Date: 25 November 2009
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14:02:50 <Karen> Josema is chairing call today
Karen Myers: Josema is chairing call today ←
14:03:04 <Karen> Brian in Denver
Karen Myers: Brian in Denver ←
14:03:14 <ChrisBeer> (Just replied to Thomas's last email in regards to his points on Item 6.)
Chris Beer: (Just replied to Thomas's last email in regards to his points on Item 6.) ←
14:03:29 <Karen> HughB in UK
Karen Myers: HughB in UK ←
14:03:47 <hg> Hugh Glaser = hg in UK
Hugh Glaser: Hugh Glaser = hg in UK ←
14:04:08 <ChrisBeer> HughB in Brisbane, not online atm, but monitoring
Chris Beer: HughB in Brisbane, not online atm, but monitoring ←
14:04:13 <ChrisBeer> (Australia)
Chris Beer: (Australia) ←
14:04:14 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
14:04:14 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/11/25-egov-irc#T14-04-14
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14:04:25 <tb> tb = Thomas Bandholtz (Germany)
Thomas Bandholtz: tb = Thomas Bandholtz (Germany) ←
14:04:28 <hg> Newbie on these things so be gentle if I mess up :-)
Hugh Glaser: Newbie on these things so be gentle if I mess up :-) ←
14:04:33 <josema> I'm trying to get on the phone but cannot so far, I have to go to another room and try, I'll be back in a minute or two
José Alonso: I'm trying to get on the phone but cannot so far, I have to go to another room and try, I'll be back in a minute or two ←
14:04:36 <josema> is kevin around
José Alonso: is kevin around ←
14:04:37 <josema> ?
José Alonso: ? ←
14:04:44 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:04:51 <ChrisBeer> Again, I am IRC only tonight
Chris Beer: Again, I am IRC only tonight ←
14:04:55 <Karen> Yes, Kevin is on the call, Josema
Karen Myers: Yes, Kevin is on the call, Josema ←
14:06:04 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
14:06:11 <josema> so... phone system is broken here, international calls not working, technical staff working on it :-(((
José Alonso: so... phone system is broken here, international calls not working, technical staff working on it :-((( ←
14:06:25 <josema> so, if kevin or sandro can chair for now, agenda is already loaded
José Alonso: so, if kevin or sandro can chair for now, agenda is already loaded ←
14:06:27 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:06:48 <josema> I have to chase a guy or two for a couple minutes and see if I can get this fixed
José Alonso: I have to chase a guy or two for a couple minutes and see if I can get this fixed ←
14:06:57 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Nov/0043
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Nov/0043 ←
14:06:59 <josema> I'm so sorry... checked the line this morning!
José Alonso: I'm so sorry... checked the line this morning! ←
14:07:01 <sandro> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
14:07:02 <Karen> Josema, Kevin is going to get it started
Karen Myers: Josema, Kevin is going to get it started ←
14:07:10 <josema> thanks so much!
José Alonso: thanks so much! ←
14:07:25 <sandro> topic: Agenda adjustments and next meetings
14:07:25 <Karen> Sandro: Next meeting is 9 December
Sandro Hawke: Next meeting is 9 December [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:07:35 <Karen> ...question of whether to have a meeting on 23 December
Karen Myers: ...question of whether to have a meeting on 23 December ←
14:07:37 <sandro> next meetings: 9 Dec 2009, 23 Dec 2009??
next meetings: 9 Dec 2009, 23 Dec 2009?? ←
14:07:48 <sandro> kevin: Shall we meet 23 December?
Kevin Novak: Shall we meet 23 December? ←
14:07:56 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:07:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.731.aaaa, Karen, +49.178.404.aadd, ??P8, +1.703.362.aaee, +1.509.464.aaff, +0789422aagg (muted), +1.303.748.aahh (muted), Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.202.731.aaaa, Karen, +49.178.404.aadd, ??P8, +1.703.362.aaee, +1.509.464.aaff, +0789422aagg (muted), +1.303.748.aahh (muted), Sandro ←
14:08:23 <Rachel> No mtg on 12/23
Rachel Flagg: No mtg on 12/23 ←
14:08:30 <hg> pass
Hugh Glaser: pass ←
14:08:33 <tb> ok
Thomas Bandholtz: ok ←
14:09:07 <sandro> Kevin: Okay, no mtg 12/23
Kevin Novak: Okay, no mtg 12/23 ←
14:09:44 <sandro> NEXT MEETINGS: 09 December, 06 January, 20 January.
NEXT MEETINGS: 09 December, 06 January, 20 January. ←
14:09:56 <sandro> Kevin: Agenda adjustments?
Kevin Novak: Agenda adjustments? ←
14:10:15 <sandro> cory: I'd like to about what we're doing
Cory Casanave: I'd like to about what we're doing ←
14:10:21 <sandro> kevin: Sure, at the end.
Kevin Novak: Sure, at the end. ←
14:10:40 <Karen> Cory Casenave, OMG would like to provide update
Karen Myers: Cory Casenave, OMG would like to provide update ←
14:10:42 <sandro> sam: I'm here from openjurist.org
Samuel Deskin: I'm here from openjurist.org ←
14:11:00 <sandro> kevin: scribe for next meeting?
Kevin Novak: scribe for next meeting? ←
14:11:47 <Karen> Sandro: We should probably revive the scribe list!
Sandro Hawke: We should probably revive the scribe list! [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:12:02 <sandro> NEXT SCRIBE: Kevin
NEXT SCRIBE: Kevin ←
14:12:10 <sandro> topic: Introducing the Projects Page
Summary: Sandro drafted a skeletal page about our [[Projects]]. Please review it and fill it in more about the projects you care about!
<sandro> Summary: Sandro drafted a skeletal page about our [[Projects]]. Please review it and fill it in more about the projects you care about!
14:12:35 <Karen> Sandro: Various discussion about what activities the eGov Interest Group should do
Sandro Hawke: Various discussion about what activities the eGov Interest Group should do [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:12:42 <Karen> ...Some consensus about the menu of projects
Karen Myers: ...Some consensus about the menu of projects ←
14:12:52 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects ←
14:12:53 <josema> sam, I have to apologize, I forgot to add openjurist to the agenda, sorry
José Alonso: sam, I have to apologize, I forgot to add openjurist to the agenda, sorry ←
14:12:56 <Karen> ...but not clear about which ones have people willing to sign up for actions
Karen Myers: ...but not clear about which ones have people willing to sign up for actions ←
14:13:14 <Karen> ...I tried to use a "formalism"
Karen Myers: ...I tried to use a "formalism" ←
14:13:18 <Karen> ...to describe each project
Karen Myers: ...to describe each project ←
14:13:28 <Karen> ...who are people involved, target audience, what is problem they are having.
Karen Myers: ...who are people involved, target audience, what is problem they are having. ←
14:13:38 <Karen> ...what does it look like if problem is solved,
Karen Myers: ...what does it look like if problem is solved, ←
14:13:45 <Karen> ...description, status
Karen Myers: ...description, status ←
14:13:55 <Karen> ...I did some answering on a few, but not much
Karen Myers: ...I did some answering on a few, but not much ←
14:14:04 <Karen> ...put names and short description
Karen Myers: ...put names and short description ←
14:14:17 <Karen> ...If people will look at page over next week, and fill in the details about those questions
Karen Myers: ...If people will look at page over next week, and fill in the details about those questions ←
14:14:27 <Karen> ...Once filled in, we'll take to the mailing list
Karen Myers: ...Once filled in, we'll take to the mailing list ←
14:14:32 <Karen> ...and start asking people to sign up and vote
Karen Myers: ...and start asking people to sign up and vote ←
14:14:38 <Karen> ...maybe we would do a Web-based poll
Karen Myers: ...maybe we would do a Web-based poll ←
14:14:43 <Karen> ...See which ones have critical mass
Karen Myers: ...See which ones have critical mass ←
14:14:49 <Karen> ...and go ahead and start working on them
Karen Myers: ...and go ahead and start working on them ←
14:14:54 <Karen> Kevin: We have Group Charter for next eyar
Kevin Novak: We have Group Charter for next eyar [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:15:01 <Karen> ...and an actvity plan
Karen Myers: ...and an actvity plan ←
14:15:09 <Karen> ...fairly broad activities and structure
Karen Myers: ...fairly broad activities and structure ←
14:15:16 <Karen> ...but we want to get more measurable and focused
Karen Myers: ...but we want to get more measurable and focused ←
14:15:34 <Karen> ...hope to get from our 150 people to get behind these different areas
Karen Myers: ...hope to get from our 150 people to get behind these different areas ←
14:15:40 <Karen> ...I talked about this on a call about a month ago
Karen Myers: ...I talked about this on a call about a month ago ←
14:15:46 <Karen> ...Reviewing these five or six areas
Karen Myers: ...Reviewing these five or six areas ←
14:15:52 <Karen> ...Sandro has incorporated this into these points
Karen Myers: ...Sandro has incorporated this into these points ←
14:16:05 <Karen> ...We wanted to get the group feedback and to help structure
Karen Myers: ...We wanted to get the group feedback and to help structure ←
14:16:18 <Karen> ...and decide how to reach our objectives
Karen Myers: ...and decide how to reach our objectives ←
14:16:30 <Karen> ...We can talk now, or ping me or Sandro with your opinions
Karen Myers: ...We can talk now, or ping me or Sandro with your opinions ←
14:16:38 <Karen> ...That wiki page allows for group editing
Karen Myers: ...That wiki page allows for group editing ←
14:16:45 <Karen> Sandro: Yes, please edit this page directly
Sandro Hawke: Yes, please edit this page directly [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:16:52 <Karen> ...if you think you have an answer or refinement
Karen Myers: ...if you think you have an answer or refinement ←
14:16:58 <Karen> ...Email me if you have trouble using the wiki
Karen Myers: ...Email me if you have trouble using the wiki ←
14:17:03 <Karen> ...at sandro@w3.org
Karen Myers: ...at sandro@w3.org ←
14:17:16 <Karen> Kevin: Any initial comments about the wiki page?
Kevin Novak: Any initial comments about the wiki page? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:17:32 <Karen> ...We are also looking for leads for those areas
Karen Myers: ...We are also looking for leads for those areas ←
14:17:43 <Karen> ...If you want to take lead and work with a task group, please let us know
Karen Myers: ...If you want to take lead and work with a task group, please let us know ←
14:17:49 <sandro> List of all wiki accounts: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=500
List of all wiki accounts: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=500 ←
14:18:37 <Karen> Cory: I am in a car, so reading off the list would be helpful
Cory Casanave: I am in a car, so reading off the list would be helpful [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:18:43 <Karen> ...just the title of the projects
Karen Myers: ...just the title of the projects ←
14:19:01 <Karen> Sandro: So, first one is "Government Linked Data, Techniques and Technologies"
Sandro Hawke: So, first one is "Government Linked Data, Techniques and Technologies" [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:20:36 <ChrisBeer> I believe I put my hand up for Best Practice last Call, however I'm happy to also do general Web stuff for the group, given that's my day-to-day anyway
Chris Beer: I believe I put my hand up for Best Practice last Call, however I'm happy to also do general Web stuff for the group, given that's my day-to-day anyway ←
14:20:44 <Karen> Brian: How do we express interest?
Brian Gryth: How do we express interest? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:20:52 <Karen> Kevin: Send an email to one of chairs or Sandro
Kevin Novak: Send an email to one of chairs or Sandro [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:20:59 <Karen> Sandro: email to:
Sandro Hawke: email to: [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:21:02 <sandro> email to team-egov-chairs@w3.org
email to team-egov-chairs@w3.org ←
14:21:12 <Zakim> - +1.703.362.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.703.362.aaee ←
14:21:14 <Karen> Sandro: Or put it on the wiki
Sandro Hawke: Or put it on the wiki [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:21:40 <Zakim> + +1.703.362.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.703.362.aaii ←
14:22:00 <sandro> kevin: The first year, we tried three task groups, but the mission was very broad
Kevin Novak: The first year, we tried three task groups, but the mission was very broad ←
14:22:01 <Karen> Kevin: We started with three task groups first of year, but we were too broad
Kevin Novak: We started with three task groups first of year, but we were too broad [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:22:30 <ChrisBeer> I note that in this round there is little in Education and Outreach?
Chris Beer: I note that in this round there is little in Education and Outreach? ←
14:22:55 <sandro> kevin: We're listening to those in govt who are asking us for things, eg archiving, gov 1.0 issues
Kevin Novak: We're listening to those in govt who are asking us for things, eg archiving, gov 1.0 issues ←
14:23:59 <Karen> Sandro: Chris asks about Education and Outreach piece
Sandro Hawke: Chris asks about Education and Outreach piece [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:24:18 <ChrisBeer> Just in the sense that the current TF items are OD focused.
Chris Beer: Just in the sense that the current TF items are OD focused. ←
14:24:25 <sandro> Kevin: re E&O, GLD and E&O are the main areas of our charter, but E&O is not necessary a project in itself
Kevin Novak: re E&O, GLD and E&O are the main areas of our charter, but E&O is not necessary a project in itself ←
14:24:50 <sandro> kevin: There the editoral task force, and the comm team.
Kevin Novak: There the editoral task force, and the comm team. ←
14:25:19 <sandro> kevin: Each group has an Editorial and Comms angle, they are each doing some E&O
Kevin Novak: Each group has an Editorial and Comms angle, they are each doing some E&O ←
14:25:43 <Karen> Cory: What are the landing pages for this?
Cory Casanave: What are the landing pages for this? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:25:52 <sandro> cory: What is the Landing Page for Linked Open Data in Government.
Cory Casanave: What is the Landing Page for Linked Open Data in Government. ←
14:26:27 <sandro> kevin: We're working on next generation website for eGov. We're not there yet.
Kevin Novak: We're working on next generation website for eGov. We're not there yet. ←
14:27:04 <sandro> kevin: I took an action item to review the work done so far, and see how to restructure the wiki, so we can begin with that.
Kevin Novak: I took an action item to review the work done so far, and see how to restructure the wiki, so we can begin with that. ←
14:27:09 <josema> for example, I see Web Tech and some of GLD Strategy as part of E&O area
José Alonso: for example, I see Web Tech and some of GLD Strategy as part of E&O area ←
14:27:50 <sandro> kevin: We had ambitious goals to get that done before the Gov2.0 summit, but due to various other changes in staffing and other people's projects, that didn't happen, but I think now we're back on track to have this happen before the holidays.
Kevin Novak: We had ambitious goals to get that done before the Gov2.0 summit, but due to various other changes in staffing and other people's projects, that didn't happen, but I think now we're back on track to have this happen before the holidays. ←
14:28:19 <Karen> Sandro: Does anyone have anything else to say about the Projects Page?
Sandro Hawke: Does anyone have anything else to say about the Projects Page? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:28:25 <Karen> ...Then we'll move onto the Web site discussion
Karen Myers: ...Then we'll move onto the Web site discussion ←
14:28:50 <Karen> Brian: After more people look at it, we can pick it up 9 Dec.
Brian Gryth: After more people look at it, we can pick it up 9 Dec. [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:28:50 <josema> chair: kevin
14:29:12 <sandro> topic: Web Site
14:29:16 <josema> +1 to Brian
José Alonso: +1 to Brian ←
14:29:35 <Karen> Cory: I would like a persistent journal for LOD in Gov't
Cory Casanave: I would like a persistent journal for LOD in Gov't [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:29:47 <Karen> ...external links and landing page to collect overviews, white papers, success stories
Karen Myers: ...external links and landing page to collect overviews, white papers, success stories ←
14:30:28 <ChrisBeer> Can we collaborate work with LOD Project in this? Joint web space?
Chris Beer: Can we collaborate work with LOD Project in this? Joint web space? ←
14:30:34 <sandro> kevin: Yes, we're very open to folks helping with the content.
Kevin Novak: Yes, we're very open to folks helping with the content. ←
14:31:15 <sandro> Interesting question ChrisBeer. Maybe easiest to have some of them join the IG.
Interesting question ChrisBeer. Maybe easiest to have some of them join the IG. ←
14:32:03 <josema> original plan was to have some LOD people joining this group, have a specific TF working on LGD
José Alonso: original plan was to have some LOD people joining this group, have a specific TF working on LGD ←
14:34:03 <ChrisBeer> @Jose - if no one else is already a LoD member, I can join list and post a recruitment blurb?
Chris Beer: @Jose - if no one else is already a LoD member, I can join list and post a recruitment blurb? ←
14:31:39 <sandro> Topic: What's going on / coming up
14:32:01 <sandro> subtopic: FOSE 2010
14:32:11 <sandro> panel like at gov 2.0 summit
panel like at gov 2.0 summit ←
14:32:17 <sandro> kevin: I'll be leading up interop
Kevin Novak: I'll be leading up interop ←
14:32:26 <sandro> kevin: Daniel and John will be on it, too.
Kevin Novak: Daniel and John will be on it, too. ←
14:32:39 <hg> Collaboration is good - already many places to put things - LOD, OK, ...
Hugh Glaser: Collaboration is good - already many places to put things - LOD, OK, ... ←
14:32:42 <sandro> kevin: I was happy to have that panel approved.
Kevin Novak: I was happy to have that panel approved. ←
14:33:18 <josema> yup, kudos and thx Karen, Vera for all the help and support
José Alonso: yup, kudos and thx Karen, Vera for all the help and support ←
14:31:55 <sandro> subtopic: Gov 2.0 Expo
14:33:22 <sandro> karen: I'm invited to be on the program committee for Gov 2.0 Expo, so I'll have more on that soon.
Karen Myers: I'm invited to be on the program committee for Gov 2.0 Expo, so I'll have more on that soon. ←
14:34:16 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
14:34:18 <sandro> kevin: I'd like to refocus back on international issues; we've talked mostly about US and UK recently. We have other countries represented in IG, and I'd like their voices expressed at the Expo
Kevin Novak: I'd like to refocus back on international issues; we've talked mostly about US and UK recently. We have other countries represented in IG, and I'd like their voices expressed at the Expo ←
14:34:48 <sandro> kevin: Let's get some proposals to get that word out.
Kevin Novak: Let's get some proposals to get that word out. ←
14:34:49 <tb> http://www.eswc2010.org end of may in greece, submit abstracts till 15, Dec
Thomas Bandholtz: http://www.eswc2010.org end of may in greece, submit abstracts till 15, Dec ←
14:35:09 <Karen> Sandro: There are a few other agenda items, like W3C's TPAC
Sandro Hawke: There are a few other agenda items, like W3C's TPAC [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:35:09 <sandro> subtopic: TPAC 2009
14:35:41 <sandro> kevin: Alas, I got the flu and couldn't travel, so the eGov panel at TPAC was cancelled
Kevin Novak: Alas, I got the flu and couldn't travel, so the eGov panel at TPAC was cancelled ←
14:35:54 <sandro> karen: 1-1 followup with individuals
Karen Myers: 1-1 followup with individuals ←
14:35:59 <ChrisBeer> I have some good e-gov contacts here in Aust - I can certainly pass the word along
Chris Beer: I have some good e-gov contacts here in Aust - I can certainly pass the word along ←
14:36:06 <josema> @ChrisBeer certainly, although I believe we have a few around already (Leigh Dodds and Jim Hendler come to mind)
José Alonso: @ChrisBeer certainly, although I believe we have a few around already (Leigh Dodds and Jim Hendler come to mind) ←
14:36:21 <ChrisBeer> @jose nps
Chris Beer: @jose nps ←
14:36:32 <sandro> karen: Definitely interest, but not clear for some folks how to plug in, so focus on projects is good.
Karen Myers: Definitely interest, but not clear for some folks how to plug in, so focus on projects is good. ←
14:37:20 <sandro> Kevin: I'm working on a byline piece for NextGov, to clarify my controversial statements about PDF
Kevin Novak: I'm working on a byline piece for NextGov, to clarify my controversial statements about PDF ←
14:38:13 <sandro> kevin: Alan Morison from PWC is doing a piece on DataWeb as OS, . . . find him on twitter or msg me.
Kevin Novak: Alan Morison from PWC is doing a piece on DataWeb as OS, . . . find him on twitter or msg me. ←
14:38:40 <sandro> subtopic: ISWC
14:38:41 <Karen> Sandro: Int'l Semantic Web Conference (ISWC)
Sandro Hawke: Int'l Semantic Web Conference (ISWC) [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:38:52 <Karen> ...I met Daniel and Cory there
Karen Myers: ...I met Daniel and Cory there ←
14:38:59 <Karen> ...we talked for a while, along with some others
Karen Myers: ...we talked for a while, along with some others ←
14:39:04 <Karen> ...nothing formally related to eGov
Karen Myers: ...nothing formally related to eGov ←
14:39:07 <Zakim> + +1.410.992.aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.992.aajj ←
14:39:19 <Karen> ...ISWC was near Washington, DC, so convenient location
Karen Myers: ...ISWC was near Washington, DC, so convenient location ←
14:39:28 <Karen> Cory: I did a presentation on linked open data architecture
Cory Casanave: I did a presentation on linked open data architecture [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:39:42 <Karen> ...I think there was one other eGov focused presentation, but not a specific track
Karen Myers: ...I think there was one other eGov focused presentation, but not a specific track ←
14:39:44 <sandro> (Also George, and Brand)
(Also George, and Brand) ←
14:39:57 <Karen> ...we are interested in more outreach here
Karen Myers: ...we are interested in more outreach here ←
14:40:14 <Karen> ...and action items to further the LOD for Open Gov't initiatives going on now
Karen Myers: ...and action items to further the LOD for Open Gov't initiatives going on now ←
14:40:32 <Karen> ...George Thomas, myself, Brand Niemann involved, a few others
Karen Myers: ...George Thomas, myself, Brand Niemann involved, a few others ←
14:41:12 <Karen> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
14:41:15 <sandro> Hg: the NYT announcement at ISWC of them doing LD version of their structure -- that's probably pretty important.
Hugh Glaser: the NYT announcement at ISWC of them doing LD version of their structure -- that's probably pretty important. ←
14:41:25 <sandro> hg: good when talking to Gov folks.
Hugh Glaser: good when talking to Gov folks. ←
14:41:38 <sandro> ack Karen
ack Karen ←
14:41:55 <ChrisBeer> We just had a e-Gov mashup conference and competition here in Aust. under the auspices of Gov 2.0 Taskforce. Very successful, saw a lot interagency/private/ngo contact. Mashup competition certainly got people excited.
Chris Beer: We just had a e-Gov mashup conference and competition here in Aust. under the auspices of Gov 2.0 Taskforce. Very successful, saw a lot interagency/private/ngo contact. Mashup competition certainly got people excited. ←
14:42:38 <sandro> karen: The Guardian is also doing a big LD project. So we may want to look at publishing side more. Media Properties are active here.
Karen Myers: The Guardian is also doing a big LD project. So we may want to look at publishing side more. Media Properties are active here. ←
14:42:54 <sandro> Hg: NYT is already doing the LD landgrab
Hugh Glaser: NYT is already doing the LD landgrab ←
14:43:27 <ChrisBeer> http://mashupaustralia.org/ - prehaps we could do similar as outreach?
Chris Beer: http://mashupaustralia.org/ - prehaps we could do similar as outreach? ←
14:43:34 <sandro> Cory: I also thought that was a great announcement. Maybe we can do a use case / success story.
Cory Casanave: I also thought that was a great announcement. Maybe we can do a use case / success story. ←
14:43:46 <Karen> Sandro: Any upcoming events
Sandro Hawke: Any upcoming events [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:43:50 <sandro> subtopic: Open Knowledge Foundation event [13 Nov 2009, London]
14:43:58 <Karen> ...Does anyone know?
Karen Myers: ...Does anyone know? ←
14:44:04 <Karen> Hg:
Hugh Glaser: [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
14:44:15 <josema> http://blog.okfn.org/2009/11/20/after-the-open-data-and-semantic-web-workshop/
José Alonso: http://blog.okfn.org/2009/11/20/after-the-open-data-and-semantic-web-workshop/ ←
14:44:35 <josema> (I was not in attendance)
José Alonso: (I was not in attendance) ←
14:44:48 <sandro> Hg: Linked Data meets Open Knowledge. Highly interactive, quite good. The Open Knowledge enjoyed the linked data side. Good bridging.
Hugh Glaser: Linked Data meets Open Knowledge. Highly interactive, quite good. The Open Knowledge enjoyed the linked data side. Good bridging. ←
14:45:18 <sandro> Hg: Some pushback from eGov and OpenKnowledge giving a little pushback on RDF. About 40 people from various places. Good discussion.
Hugh Glaser: Some pushback from eGov and OpenKnowledge giving a little pushback on RDF. About 40 people from various places. Good discussion. ←
14:45:33 <ChrisBeer> q+
Chris Beer: q+ ←
14:45:41 <sandro> ack ChrisBeer
ack ChrisBeer ←
14:46:01 <ChrisBeer> Managing the Australian Governments IT Requirements - 8 Dec 2009
Chris Beer: Managing the Australian Governments IT Requirements - 8 Dec 2009 ←
14:46:02 <ChrisBeer> http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-collaboration/events/2009/managing_the_australian_governments_it_requirements.html
Chris Beer: http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and-collaboration/events/2009/managing_the_australian_governments_it_requirements.html ←
14:46:30 <ChrisBeer> will report back, includes addresses from Aust. Gov 2.0 taskforce and others
Chris Beer: will report back, includes addresses from Aust. Gov 2.0 taskforce and others ←
14:46:58 <sandro> subtopic: Jurix Conference
14:47:10 <sandro> sandro: anyone?
Sandro Hawke: anyone? ←
14:48:12 <owen> http://www.conftool.net/jurix09/sessions.php
Owen Ambur: http://www.conftool.net/jurix09/sessions.php ←
14:48:31 <sandro> brian: Jurix is a european conference about legal matters; I don't know more than their website
Brian Gryth: Jurix is a european conference about legal matters; I don't know more than their website ←
14:49:05 <sandro> brian: specifically judicial branch
Brian Gryth: specifically judicial branch ←
14:47:32 <sandro> subtopic: PdF Europe 2009
14:48:46 <josema> I spoke at PdF Europe 2009, gave a "weird" talk, a tale about transparency
José Alonso: I spoke at PdF Europe 2009, gave a "weird" talk, a tale about transparency ←
14:48:46 <josema> http://blog.josema.net/2009/11/21/releasing-peoples-data/
José Alonso: http://blog.josema.net/2009/11/21/releasing-peoples-data/ ←
14:49:31 <josema> conference was interesting with several strategy talks and discussions
José Alonso: conference was interesting with several strategy talks and discussions ←
14:49:56 <josema> several projects from activists was also presented, many well known such as http://www.farmsubsidy.org
José Alonso: several projects from activists was also presented, many well known such as http://www.farmsubsidy.org ←
14:50:22 <josema> networking was the best part, lots of discussion between gov people, NGOs, etc.
José Alonso: networking was the best part, lots of discussion between gov people, NGOs, etc. ←
14:50:02 <sandro> Topic: Discussion: Government Linked Data, Techniques and Technologies
Summary: Sam Deskin described what Open Jurist is doing, using Calias to extract semantic information from public legal records in the US, and their plans to make it available publicly. Lively discussion about how to do this and related issues.
<sandro> Summary: Sam Deskin described what Open Jurist is doing, using Calias to extract semantic information from public legal records in the US, and their plans to make it available publicly. Lively discussion about how to do this and related issues.
14:51:30 <sandro> sandro: (reads agenda text on this)
Sandro Hawke: (reads agenda text on this) ←
14:52:43 <sandro> sam: How much is this about open jurist?
Samuel Deskin: How much is this about open jurist? ←
14:52:56 <sandro> sandro: It's here for general discussion
Sandro Hawke: It's here for general discussion ←
14:53:20 <sandro> sam: Shall I give Open Jurist as a discussion point?
Samuel Deskin: Shall I give Open Jurist as a discussion point? ←
14:54:12 <sandro> sam: Open Jurist is website with about 650,000 supreme court, appelate court, and district court cases, from the 1700s to current -- open data, freely available
Samuel Deskin: Open Jurist is website with about 650,000 supreme court, appelate court, and district court cases, from the 1700s to current -- open data, freely available ←
14:54:26 <sandro> sam: What we're going that's a bit different is
Samuel Deskin: What we're going that's a bit different is ←
14:54:49 <sandro> ... We've gone through with Calais, and identified 14m semantic terms: people's name, places, occupations, etc.
... We've gone through with Calais, and identified 14m semantic terms: people's name, places, occupations, etc. ←
14:54:57 <sandro> ... many different categories
... many different categories ←
14:55:13 <sandro> ... we plan on using these semantic points to let people access the data in new and different ways
... we plan on using these semantic points to let people access the data in new and different ways ←
14:55:26 <sandro> ... the cases are currently linked to each as they refer to each other
... the cases are currently linked to each as they refer to each other ←
14:55:32 <josema> s/from activists was/from activists were
José Alonso: s/from activists was/from activists were ←
14:55:42 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
14:55:48 <sandro> ... our next phase is to put US Code up on the web, and link to that
... our next phase is to put US Code up on the web, and link to that ←
14:55:57 <sandro> ... so we'll have both code law and case law
... so we'll have both code law and case law ←
14:56:06 <sandro> ... then we want to bring in the semantic web
... then we want to bring in the semantic web ←
14:56:19 <sandro> ... i'm an attorney, not a semantic web expert
... i'm an attorney, not a semantic web expert ←
14:56:26 <sandro> ... we'd like to do it right and do it well
... we'd like to do it right and do it well ←
14:56:40 <sandro> ... so we're looking for how to do that, to make it most useful to people
... so we're looking for how to do that, to make it most useful to people ←
14:57:21 <sandro> kevin: Maybe talk to Joe Carmel. He's taken US Code data (rosetta stone) and done something interesting
Kevin Novak: Maybe talk to Joe Carmel. He's taken US Code data (rosetta stone) and done something interesting ←
14:57:43 <sandro> joe: Let's talk off line about that. joe.carmel@comcast.net
Joe Carmel: Let's talk off line about that. joe.carmel@comcast.net ←
14:58:03 <sandro> kevin: Joe is an incredible resource
Kevin Novak: Joe is an incredible resource ←
14:58:11 <josema> zakim, code?
José Alonso: zakim, code? ←
14:58:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), josema
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), josema ←
14:58:15 <sandro> sam: We've "semanticised" these cases
Samuel Deskin: We've "semanticised" these cases ←
14:58:40 <sandro> sam: We hope to be able to link things together in ways they haven't been linked before. Names, dates, ....
Samuel Deskin: We hope to be able to link things together in ways they haven't been linked before. Names, dates, .... ←
14:58:55 <sandro> sam: So we can order and connect all the cases that are about John Hamilton
Samuel Deskin: So we can order and connect all the cases that are about John Hamilton ←
14:59:06 <Zakim> + +03498429aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: + +03498429aakk ←
14:59:15 <sandro> sam: We've got a long way to go
Samuel Deskin: We've got a long way to go ←
14:59:24 <josema> zakim, aakk is me
José Alonso: zakim, aakk is me ←
14:59:24 <Zakim> +josema; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it ←
15:00:11 <Karen> Sandro: I haven't used Calais
Sandro Hawke: I haven't used Calais [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:00:18 <Karen> ...I believe they have a set of identifiers they use
Karen Myers: ...I believe they have a set of identifiers they use ←
15:00:26 <Karen> ...not sure if they let you use your own
Karen Myers: ...not sure if they let you use your own ←
15:02:49 <Karen> Sandro: It seems Sam is focused on the user experience
Sandro Hawke: It seems Sam is focused on the user experience [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:03:00 <Karen> ...not the underlying technology of how RDF is available
Karen Myers: ...not the underlying technology of how RDF is available ←
15:03:39 <sandro> sam: we got it from resource.org
Samuel Deskin: we got it from resource.org ←
15:03:54 <sandro> joe: not from law revision council?
Joe Carmel: not from law revision council? ←
15:05:09 <sandro> sam: people have done this linking between cases, and cases-and-code, but we're not sure folks have done it for free before
Samuel Deskin: people have done this linking between cases, and cases-and-code, but we're not sure folks have done it for free before ←
15:05:27 <sandro> sam: and we're trying to make it available in new and different ways
Samuel Deskin: and we're trying to make it available in new and different ways ←
15:06:49 <sandro> sam: Our goal is to make the data useful in ways that are not available now. EG: show me all the cases from the 1960s that mention ACLU and that are about securing the release of inmates in overcrowded prisons and that the ACLU won, and tell me which states the ACLU won.
Samuel Deskin: Our goal is to make the data useful in ways that are not available now. EG: show me all the cases from the 1960s that mention ACLU and that are about securing the release of inmates in overcrowded prisons and that the ACLU won, and tell me which states the ACLU won. ←
15:07:03 <sandro> sam: And then How do those cases affect crime in those states vs other states
Samuel Deskin: And then How do those cases affect crime in those states vs other states ←
15:07:11 <sandro> (WOW, I like that use case!)
(WOW, I like that use case!) ←
15:07:35 <Karen> Sandro: That sounds like a great thing to do
Sandro Hawke: That sounds like a great thing to do [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:07:45 <Karen> Brian: Sam, any future plans to include the underlying briefs?
Brian Gryth: Sam, any future plans to include the underlying briefs? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:07:52 <Karen> ...Recent ABA decisions
Karen Myers: ...Recent ABA decisions ←
15:07:59 <Karen> ...have a connection through US Supreme Court
Karen Myers: ...have a connection through US Supreme Court ←
15:08:09 <Karen> ...so that briefs, amicus briefs, are available in PDF
Karen Myers: ...so that briefs, amicus briefs, are available in PDF ←
15:08:14 <Karen> ...so at least info is available
Karen Myers: ...so at least info is available ←
15:08:18 <Karen> ...any plans to go deeper?
Karen Myers: ...any plans to go deeper? ←
15:08:25 <Karen> ...would help public, not just lawyers
Karen Myers: ...would help public, not just lawyers ←
15:08:33 <Karen> ...how judicial system works even more seems helpful
Karen Myers: ...how judicial system works even more seems helpful ←
15:08:41 <Karen> ...seems you are also going to look at connecting up with
Karen Myers: ...seems you are also going to look at connecting up with ←
15:08:50 <Karen> ...taking deeper and more information seems a useful resource
Karen Myers: ...taking deeper and more information seems a useful resource ←
15:08:54 <sandro> q?
q? ←
15:08:58 <Karen> Sam: I am completely open to other sources
Samuel Deskin: I am completely open to other sources [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:09:04 <Karen> ...and pulling more things in, linking to more things
Karen Myers: ...and pulling more things in, linking to more things ←
15:09:13 <Karen> ...I was not aware of the amicus briefs that the ABA has
Karen Myers: ...I was not aware of the amicus briefs that the ABA has ←
15:09:17 <Karen> ...I will search on Google
Karen Myers: ...I will search on Google ←
15:09:23 <Karen> Brian: I'll give you my email
Brian Gryth: I'll give you my email [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:09:46 <sandro> brian: briangryth@gmail.com
Brian Gryth: briangryth@gmail.com ←
15:09:47 <Karen> ...Very interesting project; I'm an attorney as well, but no technical experience
Karen Myers: ...Very interesting project; I'm an attorney as well, but no technical experience ←
15:10:00 <Karen> Sam: Finding the data is a big hurdle
Samuel Deskin: Finding the data is a big hurdle [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:10:01 <anne> This is perfect case study. How do we give someone like Sam the best technology advice?
Anne Washington: This is perfect case study. How do we give someone like Sam the best technology advice? ←
15:10:04 <Karen> ...I don't know where the data is
Karen Myers: ...I don't know where the data is ←
15:10:08 <anne> so he can talk data types and identifiers.
Anne Washington: so he can talk data types and identifiers. ←
15:10:15 <Karen> ...I just found out that Google has managed to get every state's case law
Karen Myers: ...I just found out that Google has managed to get every state's case law ←
15:10:23 <Karen> ...We go back to 1700's for the Federal Gov't
Karen Myers: ...We go back to 1700's for the Federal Gov't ←
15:10:29 <Karen> ...We have been looking for this stuff forever
Karen Myers: ...We have been looking for this stuff forever ←
15:10:33 <Karen> ...We're not Google
Karen Myers: ...We're not Google ←
15:10:37 <Karen> ...If it's out there, it's out there
Karen Myers: ...If it's out there, it's out there ←
15:10:46 <Karen> Brian: I think they use Google Scholar; go to advance search
Brian Gryth: I think they use Google Scholar; go to advance search [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:10:54 <Karen> Sam: I've seen their data, but not sure where they got it from
Samuel Deskin: I've seen their data, but not sure where they got it from [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:11:04 <Karen> Brian: There are projects in Colorado on getting historical information
Brian Gryth: There are projects in Colorado on getting historical information [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:11:10 <Karen> ...Some of law schools doing that
Karen Myers: ...Some of law schools doing that ←
15:11:28 <Karen> Sam: Cases we have from 1700's and 1800's are PDFs online
Samuel Deskin: Cases we have from 1700's and 1800's are PDFs online [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:11:32 <Karen> ...readable online
Karen Myers: ...readable online ←
15:11:43 <Karen> ...the OCR of them
Karen Myers: ...the OCR of them ←
15:11:45 <Karen> ...are crap
Karen Myers: ...are crap ←
15:12:00 <Karen> ...So actually being able to search and find what you are looking for is a shot in the dark
Karen Myers: ...So actually being able to search and find what you are looking for is a shot in the dark ←
15:12:09 <Karen> ...I don't know too many other people are putting this stuff up there
Karen Myers: ...I don't know too many other people are putting this stuff up there ←
15:12:13 <Karen> ...We are trying our best
Karen Myers: ...We are trying our best ←
15:12:18 <Karen> ...dealing with what we have got
Karen Myers: ...dealing with what we have got ←
15:12:24 <Karen> ...OYEZ.com or .og
Karen Myers: ...OYEZ.com or .og ←
15:12:35 <Karen> ...has information like audio recordings of Supreme Court cases
Karen Myers: ...has information like audio recordings of Supreme Court cases ←
15:12:38 <Karen> ...from inside the court
Karen Myers: ...from inside the court ←
15:12:42 <sandro> http://www.oyez.org/
15:12:46 <Karen> ...We have toyed with linking to that as well
Karen Myers: ...We have toyed with linking to that as well ←
15:12:58 <Karen> ...we are on the beginning of uphill climb on a large mountain
Karen Myers: ...we are on the beginning of uphill climb on a large mountain ←
15:13:04 <Karen> Brian: It is .org
Brian Gryth: It is .org [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:13:27 <Karen> Sam: First priority is to make available to the public
Samuel Deskin: First priority is to make available to the public [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:13:30 <Karen> ...so they know it's out there
Karen Myers: ...so they know it's out there ←
15:13:36 <Karen> ...then make available to other uses
Karen Myers: ...then make available to other uses ←
15:13:44 <Karen> ...any thoughts there?
Karen Myers: ...any thoughts there? ←
15:13:49 <sandro> sam: using drupal
Samuel Deskin: using drupal ←
15:13:51 <Karen> ...We are running system on DRUPAL
Karen Myers: ...We are running system on DRUPAL ←
15:14:14 <Karen> Sandro: Someone id themselves?
Sandro Hawke: Someone id themselves? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:14:19 <sandro> zakim, aagg is Hugh
zakim, aagg is Hugh ←
15:14:19 <Zakim> +Hugh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Hugh; got it ←
15:14:26 <sandro> ack hugh
ack hugh ←
15:14:28 <sandro> ack
ack ←
15:14:31 <sandro> ack aagg
ack aagg ←
15:14:35 <Karen> +1 fabulous use case
Karen Myers: +1 fabulous use case ←
15:14:41 <sandro> ack +0789422aagg
ack +0789422aagg ←
15:15:09 <sandro> hg: This is a great use case. The first thing you need is give IRIs to the things you want to identify
Hugh Glaser: This is a great use case. The first thing you need is give IRIs to the things you want to identify ←
15:15:11 <owen> mib_ymI9i4 is Owen Ambur
Owen Ambur: mib_ymI9i4 is Owen Ambur ←
15:15:41 <sandro> sam: So each term has a web page people can go to?
Samuel Deskin: So each term has a web page people can go to? ←
15:15:56 <sandro> hg: Probably, but in our world there's RDF behind each page
Hugh Glaser: Probably, but in our world there's RDF behind each page ←
15:16:40 <sandro> sam: the RDF from calais doubled our database after just going through 10%
Samuel Deskin: the RDF from calais doubled our database after just going through 10% ←
15:17:01 <sandro> hg: technical questions about how to represent the RDF
Hugh Glaser: technical questions about how to represent the RDF ←
15:17:36 <sandro> hg: What you now have is a whole bunch of RDF; some technical issues there. You've done a lot of the hard work, extracting the RDF. Now the question is how you publish it, making it available.
Hugh Glaser: What you now have is a whole bunch of RDF; some technical issues there. You've done a lot of the hard work, extracting the RDF. Now the question is how you publish it, making it available. ←
15:17:50 <sandro> hg: There are two overlapping ways to make it available
Hugh Glaser: There are two overlapping ways to make it available ←
15:18:54 <sandro> sam: we have a huge list of medical conditions extracted, for instance
Samuel Deskin: we have a huge list of medical conditions extracted, for instance ←
15:19:08 <sandro> hg: The kind of complex query you're talking about is where SPARQL would come in
Hugh Glaser: The kind of complex query you're talking about is where SPARQL would come in ←
15:19:24 <sandro> hg: SPARQL enables systems to make those sorts of queries.
Hugh Glaser: SPARQL enables systems to make those sorts of queries. ←
15:19:44 <sandro> hg: So you might give a nice page to users, but then how to do you do it? Use SPARQL.
Hugh Glaser: So you might give a nice page to users, but then how to do you do it? Use SPARQL. ←
15:19:57 <sandro> q?
q? ←
15:20:52 <Karen> Sandro: There is this issue in RDF
Sandro Hawke: There is this issue in RDF [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:21:03 <Karen> ...you have all these diseases, like skin cancer
Karen Myers: ...you have all these diseases, like skin cancer ←
15:21:13 <Karen> ...and a Web page on your site about skin cancer, and that page will have a URL
Karen Myers: ...and a Web page on your site about skin cancer, and that page will have a URL ←
15:21:24 <Karen> ...but also internally there has to be a differnt URI that IDs skin cancer
Karen Myers: ...but also internally there has to be a differnt URI that IDs skin cancer ←
15:21:30 <Karen> ...to join to other data about skin cancer
Karen Myers: ...to join to other data about skin cancer ←
15:21:35 <Karen> ...that needs to be different
Karen Myers: ...that needs to be different ←
15:21:41 <Karen> ...every concept has two URLs
Karen Myers: ...every concept has two URLs ←
15:21:48 <Karen> ...one internal knowledge representations
Karen Myers: ...one internal knowledge representations ←
15:21:56 <Karen> ...and the other the user interface about the thing
Karen Myers: ...and the other the user interface about the thing ←
15:22:02 <Karen> ...This is what you come across working with RDF
Karen Myers: ...This is what you come across working with RDF ←
15:22:08 <Karen> ...it does get tricky some times
Karen Myers: ...it does get tricky some times ←
15:22:11 <Karen> ...ways to make them usable
Karen Myers: ...ways to make them usable ←
15:22:28 <Karen> Sam: the one internal knowledge based page, is like an XML page?
Samuel Deskin: the one internal knowledge based page, is like an XML page? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:22:41 <Karen> Sandro: That internal is identifier, not necessarily a page
Sandro Hawke: That internal is identifier, not necessarily a page [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:22:49 <Karen> ...you could present a page of data or present SPARQL
Karen Myers: ...you could present a page of data or present SPARQL ←
15:22:57 <Karen> ? who is speaking?
Karen Myers: ? who is speaking? ←
15:23:07 <Karen> Sandro: Like a data base key, an ID number
Sandro Hawke: Like a data base key, an ID number [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:23:18 <Karen> Joe: When you want to refer to skin cancer, you refer to that ID
Joe Carmel: When you want to refer to skin cancer, you refer to that ID [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:23:25 <Karen> ...all the skin cancers have that common iD
Karen Myers: ...all the skin cancers have that common iD ←
15:23:31 <Karen> ...so you can still refer to that ID
Karen Myers: ...so you can still refer to that ID ←
15:23:38 <Karen> Sandro: You can use same ID as Wikipedia
Sandro Hawke: You can use same ID as Wikipedia [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:23:45 <josema> http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/
José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/ ←
15:23:45 <Karen> ...or say the two are same as and connects the data
Karen Myers: ...or say the two are same as and connects the data ←
15:23:57 <Karen> ...Is there a place on Wikipedia?
Karen Myers: ...Is there a place on Wikipedia? ←
15:24:02 <sandro> dbpedia.org
dbpedia.org ←
15:24:04 <Karen> Sandro: dBpedia
Sandro Hawke: dBpedia [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:24:21 <Karen> ...If you play with dbpedia, you will see the URLs and those that parallel them
Karen Myers: ...If you play with dbpedia, you will see the URLs and those that parallel them ←
15:24:26 <Karen> Joe: The same?
Joe Carmel: The same? [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:24:33 <hg> http://dbpedia.org/resource/Skin_cancer
Hugh Glaser: http://dbpedia.org/resource/Skin_cancer ←
15:24:33 <Karen> Sandro: No, generating their own IDs
Sandro Hawke: No, generating their own IDs [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:24:39 <Karen> Jose: So a separate URi
José Alonso: So a separate URi [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:24:48 <Karen> ...just point to Wikipedia as one of the resources
Karen Myers: ...just point to Wikipedia as one of the resources ←
15:24:51 <Karen> Sandro: Exactly
Sandro Hawke: Exactly [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:24:57 <Karen> ...Hugh just pasted the URI
Karen Myers: ...Hugh just pasted the URI ←
15:25:07 <Karen> Sandro: Log will be availble and I will email
Sandro Hawke: Log will be availble and I will email [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:25:08 <Karen> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
15:25:16 <sandro> ack Karen
ack Karen ←
15:25:44 <josema> I love this discussion since it really reflects what is happening out there and the role this group can play in helping people
José Alonso: I love this discussion since it really reflects what is happening out there and the role this group can play in helping people ←
15:25:52 <sandro> karen: This has been a fascinating discussion, both technically, and the legal stuff. I'm interesting in comm side.
Karen Myers: This has been a fascinating discussion, both technically, and the legal stuff. I'm interesting in comm side. ←
15:26:13 <Karen> Sandro: Mostly we use the mailing list
Sandro Hawke: Mostly we use the mailing list [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:26:23 <sandro> sam: I sent an e-mail about this on Nov 5.
Samuel Deskin: I sent an e-mail about this on Nov 5. ←
15:26:34 <sandro> sam: "open jurist" e-mail
Samuel Deskin: "open jurist" e-mail ←
15:26:55 <Zakim> - +1.509.464.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.464.aaff ←
15:27:04 <sandro> joe: One of our goals is to prepare a product that help gov't prepare their data for folks like open jurist
Joe Carmel: One of our goals is to prepare a product that help gov't prepare their data for folks like open jurist ←
15:27:09 <Karen> +1
Karen Myers: +1 ←
15:27:10 <anne> +1 Joe carmel and kevin
Anne Washington: +1 Joe carmel and kevin ←
15:27:13 <josema> sam's openjurist intro message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Nov/0008
José Alonso: sam's openjurist intro message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Nov/0008 ←
15:27:35 <josema> +1
José Alonso: +1 ←
15:28:16 <sandro> sam: It seems like if you have deep enough pockets (eg Google) the data is out there! Maybe they got the case books and scanned them. That's way beyond our financial capacity.
Samuel Deskin: It seems like if you have deep enough pockets (eg Google) the data is out there! Maybe they got the case books and scanned them. That's way beyond our financial capacity. ←
15:29:03 <sandro> brian: You often have to pay to look up the information, from a secondary source that's republishing.
Brian Gryth: You often have to pay to look up the information, from a secondary source that's republishing. ←
15:29:25 <josema> this scanning part reminds me somewhat of LoC's Chronicling America <http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/> but no idea if they are planning on doing any LOD
José Alonso: this scanning part reminds me somewhat of LoC's Chronicling America <http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/> but no idea if they are planning on doing any LOD ←
15:29:44 <sandro> joe: The gov't isn't providing the data in a good format, so folks have to use these 3rd party secondary sources.
Joe Carmel: The gov't isn't providing the data in a good format, so folks have to use these 3rd party secondary sources. ←
15:29:57 <Karen> When Sandro and I attended O'Reilly Gov 2.0 Summit, Carl Malamud was very keen on getting law data public
Karen Myers: When Sandro and I attended O'Reilly Gov 2.0 Summit, Carl Malamud was very keen on getting law data public ←
15:30:11 <sandro> (Carl was a keynote speaker)
(Carl was a keynote speaker) ←
15:30:19 <Karen> He is against paying for so much public legal data
Karen Myers: He is against paying for so much public legal data ←
15:30:36 <sandro> kevin: Sam, why don't you re-send your e-mail.
Kevin Novak: Sam, why don't you re-send your e-mail. ←
15:30:48 <sandro> kevin: Good, energizing discussion. :-)
Kevin Novak: Good, energizing discussion. :-) ←
15:31:03 <sandro> kevin: Please review the Project page and help us keep things moving forward
Kevin Novak: Please review the Project page and help us keep things moving forward ←
15:31:16 <sandro> kevin: Lots of gov't contacting us, US Gov't meetings
Kevin Novak: Lots of gov't contacting us, US Gov't meetings ←
15:31:24 <josema> thanks so much, kevin, sandro, karen for taking care of chairing and scribing; apologies again
José Alonso: thanks so much, kevin, sandro, karen for taking care of chairing and scribing; apologies again ←
15:31:28 <sandro> kevin: The faster we are, the better we'll be able to help.
Kevin Novak: The faster we are, the better we'll be able to help. ←
15:31:39 <Karen> Sandro: No action items
Sandro Hawke: No action items [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:32:47 <Karen> Sam: We would welcome additional sources of funding; we are self-funding currently
Samuel Deskin: We would welcome additional sources of funding; we are self-funding currently [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:33:13 <sandro> sam: We are doing this self-funded. We plan on figuring out a way to monetize this, without ever charging for access to the cases. If there is some source of funding to encourage this kind of stuff, that would be helpful, so we could scale this much faster! We're doing it ourselves because it's useful and fun an interesting, but we could push it faster with outside help/funding, so we could hire the right developers, get servers, etc!
Samuel Deskin: We are doing this self-funded. We plan on figuring out a way to monetize this, without ever charging for access to the cases. If there is some source of funding to encourage this kind of stuff, that would be helpful, so we could scale this much faster! We're doing it ourselves because it's useful and fun an interesting, but we could push it faster with outside help/funding, so we could hire the right developers, get servers, etc! ←
15:33:35 <sandro> on irc josema believes Sunlight funds some projects like this from time to time, maybe others do the same
on irc josema believes Sunlight funds some projects like this from time to time, maybe others do the same ←
15:34:21 <sandro> kevin: google and a library - no money, but an access deal
Kevin Novak: google and a library - no money, but an access deal ←
15:34:34 <sandro> kevin: John Needham
Kevin Novak: John Needham ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.703.362.aaii ←
15:34:54 <sandro> ADJOURN
ADJOURN ←
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15:35:08 <hg> Thanks guys - good discussion.
Hugh Glaser: Thanks guys - good discussion. ←
15:35:09 <Zakim> -Karen
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15:35:12 <Zakim> -Sandro
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15:35:13 <Zakim> -hg
Zakim IRC Bot: -hg ←
15:35:16 <sandro> indeed. thanks all!
indeed. thanks all! ←
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15:35:22 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
15:35:22 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
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15:35:23 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.202.731.aaaa, +0789422aabb, +0789422aacc, Karen, +49.178.404.aadd, +1.703.362.aaee, +1.509.464.aaff, +0789422aagg, +1.303.748.aahh, Sandro, +1.703.362.aaii,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.202.731.aaaa, +0789422aabb, +0789422aacc, Karen, +49.178.404.aadd, +1.703.362.aaee, +1.509.464.aaff, +0789422aagg, +1.303.748.aahh, Sandro, +1.703.362.aaii, ←
15:35:25 <Zakim> ... +1.410.992.aajj, +03498429aakk, josema, hg
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15:35:27 <sandro> RRSAgent, make logs public
RRSAgent, make logs public ←
15:36:26 <anne> disconnect
Anne Washington: disconnect ←
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