Chatlog 2008-06-02 UFDTF
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14:00:00 <> PRESENT: ewallace, ruttenberg, vipul, bijan, michel, Christine 14:00:00 <> SCRIBE: ewallace 14:00:32 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #owl 14:00:32 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-owl-irc 14:01:02 <ewallace> ewallace has changed the topic to: UFDTF telecon 2June2008 14:01:30 <ewallace> Zakim, this will be owlwg 14:01:30 <Zakim> ok, ewallace; I see SW_OWL()10:00AM scheduled to start now 14:01:41 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has now started 14:01:49 <Zakim> +jar 14:02:21 <alanr> alanr has joined #owl 14:03:52 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace 14:04:02 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap 14:04:33 <vipul> vipul has joined #owl 14:04:40 <ewallace> Topic: UFDTF page revisions 14:04:55 <ewallace> ewallace: I updated the UFDTF page to include a list of our workproducts 14:04:56 <ewallace> ... http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF#Document_details 14:04:57 <ewallace> ewallace: and created a Req's doc resource page at 14:04:58 <ewallace> ... http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space 14:05:00 <ewallace> ewallace: Alan would you please add a link to the UFDTF page from the main OWL wg page? 14:07:31 <alanr> sidebar is updated 14:07:45 <ewallace> thanks 14:08:38 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap 14:09:20 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap 14:09:38 <Zakim> +??P18 14:11:56 <bijan> bijan has joined #owl 14:14:40 <ewallace> Topic: Discussion of how to organize requirements document 14:15:27 <ewallace> bijan: I think that we should be going from features to the requirements 14:15:40 <ewallace> bijan: its faster and more scoped 14:15:57 <ewallace> bijan: its also more modulor 14:17:10 <bijan> I don't think the requirements document *should* be for newbies to owl 14:17:13 <bijan> we have a primer 14:17:43 <bijan> I also suggest we leave this to the editors 14:18:04 <ewallace> alan: collect a list of features and other aspects of the design to drive writing 14:18:23 <ewallace> bijan: we should go do it 14:20:20 <ewallace> christine: I prefer features to requirements also 14:21:07 <ewallace> christine: I have some difficulty catch-up on OWL profiles 14:21:30 <ewallace> christine: list all features with examples and more description 14:21:40 <ewallace> ... make clear motivations 14:23:24 <ewallace> bijan: if we pile on the features at the start will make it hard to ever get done 14:23:40 <ewallace> vipul: I agree with Bijan 14:23:59 <ewallace> ... the scope is to limit to OWL2 14:24:30 <bijan> (But what he said he agreed with wasn't what I said :)) 14:25:11 <bijan> The OWLED education task force is working on profile primers: 14:25:13 <bijan> http://wiki.webont.org/page/DL_Lite_Primer 14:25:24 <bijan> http://wiki.webont.org/page/EL%2B%2B_Primer 14:25:43 <michel> michel has joined #owl 14:25:47 <michel> hi! 14:25:48 <ewallace> Alan: who is going to do writing on the Reqs doc 14:26:11 <ewallace> Evan, Vipul, Christine, Michel 14:26:49 <bijan> +1 to not another ref 14:27:20 <ewallace> alan: I am hearing a couple of things 14:27:37 <vipul> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TraceabilityMatrix 14:28:07 <ewallace> ... Are you interested in providing a detailed outline? 14:28:38 <ewallace> vipul: I have a Framework rather than an outline 14:30:12 <ewallace> action: vipul to start filling out matrix 14:30:12 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-153 - Start filling out matrix [on Vipul Kashyap - due 2008-06-09]. 14:33:47 <bijan> http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/overview.html 14:35:14 <ewallace> christine: have some button to show and hide domains 14:37:01 <michel> +1 14:37:07 <ewallace> bijan: I would like the requirements to be stated at a higher level 14:38:07 <ewallace> vipul: this is a generalization of Michel's table 14:38:55 <ewallace> vipul: biomedical users will get lost by the details of language feature 14:39:26 <ewallace> vipul: but expressed in his own domain he is more likely to understand 14:42:25 <bijan> re evan: I think the SHROIQ heading is sucky too; so I'm not for the exact categories, but some similarness 14:43:38 <ewallace> bijan: I think that incorporating lots and lots of details is probably too much 14:43:50 <alanr> q+ alanr to talk about not domain specific requirements (e.g. implementor) 14:44:13 <ewallace> ewallace: I agree that we don't want to have complete coverage across all domains 14:44:58 <alanr> ack vipul 14:46:04 <bijan> The meta-requirements: 14:46:06 <bijan> Usage of OWL, particularly the OWL DL species of OWL, has identified several constructs that are of considerable utility and that fit well within the representation philosophy of OWL DL. Advances in the theory of Description Logics have provided a basis for reasoning with constructs that are not part of OWL, or not part of OWL DL. 14:46:27 <bijan> For both these reasons, it was decided at the first OWL: Experiences and Directions workshop to design an extension to the OWL DL species of OWL. The extension is designed to provide simple extensions to OWL DL that 14:46:37 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Requirements_work_space#Misc 14:47:35 <alanr> interoperability requirements? 14:47:39 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to talk about not domain specific requirements (e.g. implementor) 14:47:44 <ewallace> alan: is there any input other than implementer and domain specific giving requirements 14:48:00 <ewallace> alan: such as general semantic web 14:48:05 <bijan> Feel free to add 14:49:10 <bijan> It hurts me! 14:49:16 <bijan> OW 14:49:31 <bijan> Plus, the link could be far fetched 14:50:08 <ewallace> alan: Over the week, think of other sources of design inputs 14:51:22 <ewallace> bijan: we should cast our net wider if we want to properly capture the other inputs 14:51:39 <vipul> Proposal: Could Christine and Michel help us step through the OWLED? 14:51:50 <ewallace> bijan: this seems like a really massive task to be complete about it 14:52:38 <michel> too much 14:52:41 <michel> no. 14:52:50 <vipul> +1 to incomplete but useful and true 14:52:56 <ewallace> alan: I think whatever we could pull up with a reasonable effort would be good 14:53:35 <bijan> Uhm...So have I :) 14:56:31 <ewallace> michel: sort of generalized the modeling requirements, like an FAQ 15:00:44 <ewallace> michel: I don't think it's feasible to collect specific egs for every feature for every domain 15:02:04 <ewallace> michel: how does this relate to the Primer which also has examples 15:03:45 <ewallace> michel: perhaps we should do different views 15:05:54 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap 15:06:29 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace 15:06:30 <Zakim> -??P13 15:06:32 <Zakim> -??P21 15:06:33 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended 15:06:34 <Zakim> Attendees were jar, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap 15:07:10 <ewallace> ScribeNick: Evan_Wallace 15:07:30 <ewallace> RRSAgent, make records public 15:07:54 <ewallace> rrsagent, draft minutes 15:07:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-owl-minutes.html ewallace 15:08:08 <ewallace> rrsagent, make log world-readable 15:08:53 <michel> michel has left #owl 15:49:42 <alanr> alanr has joined #owl 17:02:47 <Zakim> Zakim has left #owl