OWL Working Group - UFDTF Subgroup

Draft Minutes of 07 July 2008

Present
Elisa Kendall Ian Horrocks Evan Wallace Christine Golbreich Vipul Kashyap Deborah McGuinness
Chair
Ian Horrocks
Scribe
Ian Horrocks
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
00:00:00 <ewallace> PRESENT: Elisa_Kendall, IanH, Evan_Wallace, christine, Vipul_Kashyap, Deborah_McGuinness
00:00:00 <ewallace> CHAIR: IanH
14:08:05 <ewallace> scribenick: IanH

(Scribe set to Ian Horrocks)

14:08:06 <IanH> Agenda at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07

Agenda at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07

14:08:15 <IanH> topic: Review Previous Minutes (30 June)

1. Review Previous Minutes (30 June)

14:09:32 <IanH> IanH: approve previous minutes?

Ian Horrocks: approve previous minutes?

14:09:32 <IanH> IanH: silence taken as assent!

Ian Horrocks: silence taken as assent!

14:09:44 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07

Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07

14:10:15 <IanH> topic: quick start

2. quick start

14:10:37 <IanH> Elisa: have made progress

Elisa Kendall: have made progress

14:10:51 <IanH> ... working on wiki as sandbox for outline and contents

... working on wiki as sandbox for outline and contents

14:11:04 <IanH> ... have a decent outline; wiki is challenging

... have a decent outline; wiki is challenging

14:11:27 <IanH> ... will take snapshots and post to WG site

... will take snapshots and post to WG site

14:11:48 <IanH> ... need functional syntax to be heavily linked and tagged

... need functional syntax to be heavily linked and tagged

14:12:13 <IanH> ... need to show boris what is needed to get all this right

... need to show boris what is needed to get all this right

14:12:22 <IanH> ... detail still not tagged

... detail still not tagged

14:12:33 <IanH> ... needed for quick links into document

... needed for quick links into document

14:12:51 <IanH> ... will probably copy something across next week

... will probably copy something across next week

14:13:06 <IanH> ... will spend time on regular teleconf discussing what is needed

... will spend time on regular teleconf discussing what is needed

14:13:17 <IanH> Deborah: need constructors to be tagged

Deborah McGuinness: need constructors to be tagged

14:13:55 <IanH> IanH: anything to see now?

Ian Horrocks: anything to see now?

14:14:04 <IanH> Elisa: maybe webex next week

Elisa Kendall: maybe webex next week

14:14:32 <IanH> Deborah: wiki is good way to work together

Deborah McGuinness: wiki is good way to work together

14:15:05 <IanH> Elisa: will set up webex session next week for UFDTF to take a look

Elisa Kendall: will set up webex session next week for UFDTF to take a look

14:15:23 <IanH> Elisa: or could provide RPI wiki logins

Elisa Kendall: or could provide RPI wiki logins

14:15:31 <IanH> Deborah: RPI probably won't like it

Deborah McGuinness: RPI probably won't like it

14:16:04 <IanH> Deborah: next monday is AAAI -- anyone going? silence!

Deborah McGuinness: next monday is AAAI -- anyone going? silence!

14:16:24 <IanH> Evan: when can you copy to WG wiki -- same isn't it?

Evan Wallace: when can you copy to WG wiki -- same isn't it?

14:16:35 <IanH> Elisa: not ready yet; hopefully next week.

Elisa Kendall: not ready yet; hopefully next week.

14:16:45 <IanH> Deborah: following week might be safer

Deborah McGuinness: following week might be safer

14:16:50 <IanH> Evan: 21st?

Evan Wallace: 21st?

14:17:03 <IanH> Elisa: will be travelling but might be able to participate

Elisa Kendall: will be travelling but might be able to participate

14:18:12 <IanH> Evan: good to have something to look at prior to F2F

Evan Wallace: good to have something to look at prior to F2F

14:18:29 <IanH> Elisa: need for tagging

Elisa Kendall: need for tagging

14:18:46 <IanH> Evan: doc is already interesting and showing it would encourage tagging

Evan Wallace: doc is already interesting and showing it would encourage tagging

14:19:16 <IanH> Elisa: will copy over to WG wiki before the 21st

Elisa Kendall: will copy over to WG wiki before the 21st

14:21:02 <ewallace> IanH: we will have a UFDTF telecon on 21 July

Ian Horrocks: we will have a UFDTF telecon on 21 July [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ]

14:21:50 <IanH> topic: UCR

3. UCR

14:22:16 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa_Kendall

14:23:04 <IanH> vipul: 2 parts to discussion -- structure and collaborative editing

Vipul Kashyap: 2 parts to discussion -- structure and collaborative editing

14:23:27 <IanH> vipul: suggestions on using wiki?

Vipul Kashyap: suggestions on using wiki?

14:23:45 <IanH> Evan: has asked Sandro; need to break doc into pages

Evan Wallace: has asked Sandro; need to break doc into pages

14:24:02 <IanH> vipul: separate pages for each section and take locks when working on them

Vipul Kashyap: separate pages for each section and take locks when working on them

14:24:12 <IanH> christine: disagree for now

Christine Golbreich: disagree for now

14:24:27 <IanH> ... different sections are dependent

... different sections are dependent

14:24:37 <IanH> ... current work not finished

... current work not finished

14:24:48 <IanH> ... as mentioned in email

... as mentioned in email

14:25:06 <IanH> ... cannot put things only in feature section and not other parts

... cannot put things only in feature section and not other parts

14:25:12 <IanH> ... so suggest to wait

... so suggest to wait

14:25:38 <IanH> ... too difficult to change structure

... too difficult to change structure

14:25:57 <IanH> vipul: didn't intend to change structure -- sorry!

Vipul Kashyap: didn't intend to change structure -- sorry!

14:26:13 <IanH> vipul: are there dependencies between sections?

Vipul Kashyap: are there dependencies between sections?

14:26:22 <IanH> christine: working step by step

Christine Golbreich: working step by step

14:26:34 <IanH> ... still has use cases to input

... still has use cases to input

14:26:43 <IanH> ... needs to put these with features

... needs to put these with features

14:26:58 <IanH> vipul: I have a bunch of use cases that I would like to add

Vipul Kashyap: I have a bunch of use cases that I would like to add

14:27:21 <IanH> ... have to be careful not to clobber edits

... have to be careful not to clobber edits

14:27:28 <IanH> ... merging will be complex!

... merging will be complex!

14:28:31 <IanH> IanH: need to split or only christine can edit

Ian Horrocks: need to split or only christine can edit

14:28:41 <IanH> christine: only need a short time

Christine Golbreich: only need a short time

14:28:46 <ewallace> IanH: clearly having separate versions for each author won't work

Ian Horrocks: clearly having separate versions for each author won't work [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ]

14:29:00 <IanH> ... there is some logic in structure

... there is some logic in structure

14:29:08 <IanH> ... can I have a bit more time?

... can I have a bit more time?

14:29:39 <IanH> vipul: How much time?

Vipul Kashyap: How much time?

14:30:07 <IanH> christine: hard to say;  it's slow to work on wiki

Christine Golbreich: hard to say; it's slow to work on wiki

14:30:14 <IanH> ... goes on vacation on 12th

... goes on vacation on 12th

14:30:22 <IanH> vipul: needs some time

Vipul Kashyap: needs some time

14:30:31 <IanH> ... can you get done in a couple of days?

... can you get done in a couple of days?

14:32:34 <IanH> christine: wasn't any content before so I worked on it all

Christine Golbreich: wasn't any content before so I worked on it all

14:32:48 <IanH> vipul: assumed I was owner of section -- so confusion

Vipul Kashyap: assumed I was owner of section -- so confusion

14:33:03 <IanH> ... when can you make a decouplable structure?

... when can you make a decouplable structure?

14:34:42 <IanH> IanH: Thanks due to Christine

Ian Horrocks: Thanks due to Christine

14:34:59 <IanH> ... but splitting structure would now allow others to join in

... but splitting structure would now allow others to join in

14:35:17 <IanH> Christine: one or two days then split and I will work only on features.

Christine Golbreich: one or two days then split and I will work only on features.

14:35:34 <IanH> vipul: give us a time

Vipul Kashyap: give us a time

14:35:42 <IanH> Evan: maybe by Wednesday?

Evan Wallace: maybe by Wednesday?

14:36:13 <IanH> Christine: can't promise, but hope so

Christine Golbreich: can't promise, but hope so

14:36:22 <IanH> Evan: status email on Wednesday?

Evan Wallace: status email on Wednesday?

14:36:35 <IanH> Christine: OK - Wednesday by the latest

Christine Golbreich: OK - Wednesday by the latest

14:36:59 <IanH> ... sent an email detailing what is left to do

... sent an email detailing what is left to do

14:37:14 <IanH> ... has structured doc according to features

... has structured doc according to features

14:37:21 <IanH> ... do we want to change this structure?

... do we want to change this structure?

14:37:46 <IanH> ... cross references reflect this structure

... cross references reflect this structure

14:38:12 <IanH> vipul: use cases will refer to requirements and features and vice versa

Vipul Kashyap: use cases will refer to requirements and features and vice versa

14:38:44 <IanH> christine: scribe failure

Christine Golbreich: scribe failure

14:39:11 <IanH> detailed structure discussion not scribed...

detailed structure discussion not scribed...

14:45:43 <ewallace> link to Christine's page?

(No events recorded for 6 minutes)

Evan Wallace: link to Christine's page?

14:46:14 <Christine> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft

Christine Golbreich: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft

14:47:46 <vipul> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Who_Reads_Our_Documents

Vipul Kashyap: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Who_Reads_Our_Documents

14:47:53 <vipul> List of users and stakeholders

Vipul Kashyap: List of users and stakeholders

14:49:02 <ewallace> ah

Evan Wallace: ah

14:49:51 <ewallace> Christine has an order of use cases in mind

Evan Wallace: Christine has an order of use cases in mind

14:49:54 <IanH> Christine: the ordering of use cases is important

Christine Golbreich: the ordering of use cases is important

14:50:38 <IanH> vipul: depends on perspective

Vipul Kashyap: depends on perspective

14:50:49 <ewallace> ...based on some prioritization of the requirements the UCs call out

Evan Wallace: ...based on some prioritization of the requirements the UCs call out

14:51:43 <ewallace> IanH: It seems that we can reasonably postpone the decision on the ordering of the UCs

Ian Horrocks: It seems that we can reasonably postpone the decision on the ordering of the UCs [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ]

14:52:12 <IanH> vipul: how about I create a new use case section with my ordering

Vipul Kashyap: how about I create a new use case section with my ordering

14:52:16 <IanH> ... see how that looks

... see how that looks

14:52:41 <IanH> Deborah_McGuinness: would you pull in who reads our document use cases?

Deborah McGuinness: would you pull in who reads our document use cases?

14:53:39 <ewallace> IanH: the suggestion on the table is to add a new use case section for Vipul (and others)

Ian Horrocks: the suggestion on the table is to add a new use case section for Vipul (and others) [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ]

14:54:00 <ewallace> to add use cases separate from Christine's section

Evan Wallace: to add use cases separate from Christine's section

14:55:33 <IanH> Christine: OK provided its possible to keep my ordering in the end!

Christine Golbreich: OK provided its possible to keep my ordering in the end!

14:55:47 <IanH> IanH: that is a discussion for later

Ian Horrocks: that is a discussion for later

14:57:09 <IanH> ... How about splitting structure now?

... How about splitting structure now?

14:58:16 <IanH> Christine: will you touch requirements?

Christine Golbreich: will you touch requirements?

14:58:25 <Christine> yes

Christine Golbreich: yes

14:59:27 <IanH> vipul: will you touch 3, 4 and 5?

Vipul Kashyap: will you touch 3, 4 and 5?

14:59:41 <IanH> Christine: I will touch all sections

Christine Golbreich: I will touch all sections

15:00:34 <IanH> ... I will finish by wednesday

... I will finish by wednesday

15:00:54 <IanH> ... from then I will work on features

... from then I will work on features

15:01:11 <IanH> vipul: after wednesday I will work on a new use cases section

Vipul Kashyap: after wednesday I will work on a new use cases section

15:01:47 <IanH> ... will create shell document after wednesday

... will create shell document after wednesday

15:02:00 <IanH> Evan: I will do shell after Wednesday

Evan Wallace: I will do shell after Wednesday

15:02:42 <IanH> Deborah_McGuinness: will look over use cases when ready

Deborah McGuinness: will look over use cases when ready

15:04:00 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap

Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap

15:04:01 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace

15:04:02 <IanH> topic: Date and time of next meeting

4. Date and time of next meeting

15:04:04 <IanH> IanH: next UFDTF meeting will be next week (Monday 14th July)

Ian Horrocks: next UFDTF meeting will be next week (Monday 14th July)

15:04:05 <IanH> ... may be very short if we don't have much to discuss

... may be very short if we don't have much to discuss

15:04:06 <Zakim> -Deborah

Zakim IRC Bot: -Deborah

15:04:08 <Zakim> -christine

Zakim IRC Bot: -christine

15:04:11 <Zakim> -IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH

15:04:13 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended

15:04:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.518.608.aaaa, IanH, Deborah, christine

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.518.608.aaaa, IanH, Deborah, christine

15:04:31 <ewallace> rrsagent, draft minutes

Evan Wallace: rrsagent, draft minutes

15:04:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/07-owl-minutes.html ewallace

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15:04:45 <ewallace> rrsagent, make log world-readable

Evan Wallace: rrsagent, make log world-readable

15:04:57 <ewallace> rrsagent, make log public

Evan Wallace: rrsagent, make log public


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