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00:00:00 <ewallace> PRESENT: Elisa_Kendall, IanH, Evan_Wallace, christine, Vipul_Kashyap, Deborah_McGuinness
00:00:00 <ewallace> CHAIR: IanH
14:08:05 <ewallace> scribenick: IanH
(Scribe set to Ian Horrocks)
14:08:06 <IanH> Agenda at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07
Agenda at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07 ←
14:08:15 <IanH> topic: Review Previous Minutes (30 June)
14:09:32 <IanH> IanH: approve previous minutes?
Ian Horrocks: approve previous minutes? ←
14:09:32 <IanH> IanH: silence taken as assent!
Ian Horrocks: silence taken as assent! ←
14:09:44 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07
Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07 ←
14:10:15 <IanH> topic: quick start
14:10:37 <IanH> Elisa: have made progress
Elisa Kendall: have made progress ←
14:10:51 <IanH> ... working on wiki as sandbox for outline and contents
... working on wiki as sandbox for outline and contents ←
14:11:04 <IanH> ... have a decent outline; wiki is challenging
... have a decent outline; wiki is challenging ←
14:11:27 <IanH> ... will take snapshots and post to WG site
... will take snapshots and post to WG site ←
14:11:48 <IanH> ... need functional syntax to be heavily linked and tagged
... need functional syntax to be heavily linked and tagged ←
14:12:13 <IanH> ... need to show boris what is needed to get all this right
... need to show boris what is needed to get all this right ←
14:12:22 <IanH> ... detail still not tagged
... detail still not tagged ←
14:12:33 <IanH> ... needed for quick links into document
... needed for quick links into document ←
14:12:51 <IanH> ... will probably copy something across next week
... will probably copy something across next week ←
14:13:06 <IanH> ... will spend time on regular teleconf discussing what is needed
... will spend time on regular teleconf discussing what is needed ←
14:13:17 <IanH> Deborah: need constructors to be tagged
Deborah McGuinness: need constructors to be tagged ←
14:13:55 <IanH> IanH: anything to see now?
Ian Horrocks: anything to see now? ←
14:14:04 <IanH> Elisa: maybe webex next week
Elisa Kendall: maybe webex next week ←
14:14:32 <IanH> Deborah: wiki is good way to work together
Deborah McGuinness: wiki is good way to work together ←
14:15:05 <IanH> Elisa: will set up webex session next week for UFDTF to take a look
Elisa Kendall: will set up webex session next week for UFDTF to take a look ←
14:15:23 <IanH> Elisa: or could provide RPI wiki logins
Elisa Kendall: or could provide RPI wiki logins ←
14:15:31 <IanH> Deborah: RPI probably won't like it
Deborah McGuinness: RPI probably won't like it ←
14:16:04 <IanH> Deborah: next monday is AAAI -- anyone going? silence!
Deborah McGuinness: next monday is AAAI -- anyone going? silence! ←
14:16:24 <IanH> Evan: when can you copy to WG wiki -- same isn't it?
Evan Wallace: when can you copy to WG wiki -- same isn't it? ←
14:16:35 <IanH> Elisa: not ready yet; hopefully next week.
Elisa Kendall: not ready yet; hopefully next week. ←
14:16:45 <IanH> Deborah: following week might be safer
Deborah McGuinness: following week might be safer ←
14:16:50 <IanH> Evan: 21st?
Evan Wallace: 21st? ←
14:17:03 <IanH> Elisa: will be travelling but might be able to participate
Elisa Kendall: will be travelling but might be able to participate ←
14:18:12 <IanH> Evan: good to have something to look at prior to F2F
Evan Wallace: good to have something to look at prior to F2F ←
14:18:29 <IanH> Elisa: need for tagging
Elisa Kendall: need for tagging ←
14:18:46 <IanH> Evan: doc is already interesting and showing it would encourage tagging
Evan Wallace: doc is already interesting and showing it would encourage tagging ←
14:19:16 <IanH> Elisa: will copy over to WG wiki before the 21st
Elisa Kendall: will copy over to WG wiki before the 21st ←
14:21:02 <ewallace> IanH: we will have a UFDTF telecon on 21 July
Ian Horrocks: we will have a UFDTF telecon on 21 July [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:21:50 <IanH> topic: UCR
14:22:16 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa_Kendall ←
14:23:04 <IanH> vipul: 2 parts to discussion -- structure and collaborative editing
Vipul Kashyap: 2 parts to discussion -- structure and collaborative editing ←
14:23:27 <IanH> vipul: suggestions on using wiki?
Vipul Kashyap: suggestions on using wiki? ←
14:23:45 <IanH> Evan: has asked Sandro; need to break doc into pages
Evan Wallace: has asked Sandro; need to break doc into pages ←
14:24:02 <IanH> vipul: separate pages for each section and take locks when working on them
Vipul Kashyap: separate pages for each section and take locks when working on them ←
14:24:12 <IanH> christine: disagree for now
Christine Golbreich: disagree for now ←
14:24:27 <IanH> ... different sections are dependent
... different sections are dependent ←
14:24:37 <IanH> ... current work not finished
... current work not finished ←
14:24:48 <IanH> ... as mentioned in email
... as mentioned in email ←
14:25:06 <IanH> ... cannot put things only in feature section and not other parts
... cannot put things only in feature section and not other parts ←
14:25:12 <IanH> ... so suggest to wait
... so suggest to wait ←
14:25:38 <IanH> ... too difficult to change structure
... too difficult to change structure ←
14:25:57 <IanH> vipul: didn't intend to change structure -- sorry!
Vipul Kashyap: didn't intend to change structure -- sorry! ←
14:26:13 <IanH> vipul: are there dependencies between sections?
Vipul Kashyap: are there dependencies between sections? ←
14:26:22 <IanH> christine: working step by step
Christine Golbreich: working step by step ←
14:26:34 <IanH> ... still has use cases to input
... still has use cases to input ←
14:26:43 <IanH> ... needs to put these with features
... needs to put these with features ←
14:26:58 <IanH> vipul: I have a bunch of use cases that I would like to add
Vipul Kashyap: I have a bunch of use cases that I would like to add ←
14:27:21 <IanH> ... have to be careful not to clobber edits
... have to be careful not to clobber edits ←
14:27:28 <IanH> ... merging will be complex!
... merging will be complex! ←
14:28:31 <IanH> IanH: need to split or only christine can edit
Ian Horrocks: need to split or only christine can edit ←
14:28:41 <IanH> christine: only need a short time
Christine Golbreich: only need a short time ←
14:28:46 <ewallace> IanH: clearly having separate versions for each author won't work
Ian Horrocks: clearly having separate versions for each author won't work [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:29:00 <IanH> ... there is some logic in structure
... there is some logic in structure ←
14:29:08 <IanH> ... can I have a bit more time?
... can I have a bit more time? ←
14:29:39 <IanH> vipul: How much time?
Vipul Kashyap: How much time? ←
14:30:07 <IanH> christine: hard to say; it's slow to work on wiki
Christine Golbreich: hard to say; it's slow to work on wiki ←
14:30:14 <IanH> ... goes on vacation on 12th
... goes on vacation on 12th ←
14:30:22 <IanH> vipul: needs some time
Vipul Kashyap: needs some time ←
14:30:31 <IanH> ... can you get done in a couple of days?
... can you get done in a couple of days? ←
14:32:34 <IanH> christine: wasn't any content before so I worked on it all
Christine Golbreich: wasn't any content before so I worked on it all ←
14:32:48 <IanH> vipul: assumed I was owner of section -- so confusion
Vipul Kashyap: assumed I was owner of section -- so confusion ←
14:33:03 <IanH> ... when can you make a decouplable structure?
... when can you make a decouplable structure? ←
14:34:42 <IanH> IanH: Thanks due to Christine
Ian Horrocks: Thanks due to Christine ←
14:34:59 <IanH> ... but splitting structure would now allow others to join in
... but splitting structure would now allow others to join in ←
14:35:17 <IanH> Christine: one or two days then split and I will work only on features.
Christine Golbreich: one or two days then split and I will work only on features. ←
14:35:34 <IanH> vipul: give us a time
Vipul Kashyap: give us a time ←
14:35:42 <IanH> Evan: maybe by Wednesday?
Evan Wallace: maybe by Wednesday? ←
14:36:13 <IanH> Christine: can't promise, but hope so
Christine Golbreich: can't promise, but hope so ←
14:36:22 <IanH> Evan: status email on Wednesday?
Evan Wallace: status email on Wednesday? ←
14:36:35 <IanH> Christine: OK - Wednesday by the latest
Christine Golbreich: OK - Wednesday by the latest ←
14:36:59 <IanH> ... sent an email detailing what is left to do
... sent an email detailing what is left to do ←
14:37:14 <IanH> ... has structured doc according to features
... has structured doc according to features ←
14:37:21 <IanH> ... do we want to change this structure?
... do we want to change this structure? ←
14:37:46 <IanH> ... cross references reflect this structure
... cross references reflect this structure ←
14:38:12 <IanH> vipul: use cases will refer to requirements and features and vice versa
Vipul Kashyap: use cases will refer to requirements and features and vice versa ←
14:38:44 <IanH> christine: scribe failure
Christine Golbreich: scribe failure ←
14:39:11 <IanH> detailed structure discussion not scribed...
detailed structure discussion not scribed... ←
14:45:43 <ewallace> link to Christine's page?
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Evan Wallace: link to Christine's page? ←
14:46:14 <Christine> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Christine Golbreich: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
14:47:46 <vipul> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Who_Reads_Our_Documents
Vipul Kashyap: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Who_Reads_Our_Documents ←
14:47:53 <vipul> List of users and stakeholders
Vipul Kashyap: List of users and stakeholders ←
14:49:02 <ewallace> ah
Evan Wallace: ah ←
14:49:51 <ewallace> Christine has an order of use cases in mind
Evan Wallace: Christine has an order of use cases in mind ←
14:49:54 <IanH> Christine: the ordering of use cases is important
Christine Golbreich: the ordering of use cases is important ←
14:50:38 <IanH> vipul: depends on perspective
Vipul Kashyap: depends on perspective ←
14:50:49 <ewallace> ...based on some prioritization of the requirements the UCs call out
Evan Wallace: ...based on some prioritization of the requirements the UCs call out ←
14:51:43 <ewallace> IanH: It seems that we can reasonably postpone the decision on the ordering of the UCs
Ian Horrocks: It seems that we can reasonably postpone the decision on the ordering of the UCs [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:52:12 <IanH> vipul: how about I create a new use case section with my ordering
Vipul Kashyap: how about I create a new use case section with my ordering ←
14:52:16 <IanH> ... see how that looks
... see how that looks ←
14:52:41 <IanH> Deborah_McGuinness: would you pull in who reads our document use cases?
Deborah McGuinness: would you pull in who reads our document use cases? ←
14:53:39 <ewallace> IanH: the suggestion on the table is to add a new use case section for Vipul (and others)
Ian Horrocks: the suggestion on the table is to add a new use case section for Vipul (and others) [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
14:54:00 <ewallace> to add use cases separate from Christine's section
Evan Wallace: to add use cases separate from Christine's section ←
14:55:33 <IanH> Christine: OK provided its possible to keep my ordering in the end!
Christine Golbreich: OK provided its possible to keep my ordering in the end! ←
14:55:47 <IanH> IanH: that is a discussion for later
Ian Horrocks: that is a discussion for later ←
14:57:09 <IanH> ... How about splitting structure now?
... How about splitting structure now? ←
14:58:16 <IanH> Christine: will you touch requirements?
Christine Golbreich: will you touch requirements? ←
14:58:25 <Christine> yes
Christine Golbreich: yes ←
14:59:27 <IanH> vipul: will you touch 3, 4 and 5?
Vipul Kashyap: will you touch 3, 4 and 5? ←
14:59:41 <IanH> Christine: I will touch all sections
Christine Golbreich: I will touch all sections ←
15:00:34 <IanH> ... I will finish by wednesday
... I will finish by wednesday ←
15:00:54 <IanH> ... from then I will work on features
... from then I will work on features ←
15:01:11 <IanH> vipul: after wednesday I will work on a new use cases section
Vipul Kashyap: after wednesday I will work on a new use cases section ←
15:01:47 <IanH> ... will create shell document after wednesday
... will create shell document after wednesday ←
15:02:00 <IanH> Evan: I will do shell after Wednesday
Evan Wallace: I will do shell after Wednesday ←
15:02:42 <IanH> Deborah_McGuinness: will look over use cases when ready
Deborah McGuinness: will look over use cases when ready ←
15:04:00 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap ←
15:04:01 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
15:04:02 <IanH> topic: Date and time of next meeting
15:04:04 <IanH> IanH: next UFDTF meeting will be next week (Monday 14th July)
Ian Horrocks: next UFDTF meeting will be next week (Monday 14th July) ←
15:04:05 <IanH> ... may be very short if we don't have much to discuss
... may be very short if we don't have much to discuss ←
15:04:06 <Zakim> -Deborah
Zakim IRC Bot: -Deborah ←
15:04:08 <Zakim> -christine
Zakim IRC Bot: -christine ←
15:04:11 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
15:04:13 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended ←
15:04:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.518.608.aaaa, IanH, Deborah, christine
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.518.608.aaaa, IanH, Deborah, christine ←
15:04:31 <ewallace> rrsagent, draft minutes
Evan Wallace: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:04:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/07-owl-minutes.html ewallace
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/07-owl-minutes.html ewallace ←
15:04:45 <ewallace> rrsagent, make log world-readable
Evan Wallace: rrsagent, make log world-readable ←
15:04:57 <ewallace> rrsagent, make log public
Evan Wallace: rrsagent, make log public ←
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